Knicks camp/preseason thread - Link in OP

[Clyde_Style]

I still believe going with Mitch and the four vets (Randle, Morris, Payton, and Ellington) is a slick move. One, starting the vets takes all the pressure off our young guys like RJ, Frank, DSJ, Knox who all have something to prove this season. Let them come off the bench as a unit and develop some confidence and chemistry against the opposing team's second unit. They would certainly bring a lot of energy off the bench. Hopefully, this would help them develop some chemistry and a defensive identity. Let them make Fizdale change his mind. It's good for them. Let them feel slighted.

Now you want to start Ellington?

Snap the F out of this babysitting crap you've been pushing

No, I want to "showcase" Ellington. C'mon, man, keep up with me here.

Nah, not interested. You've been talking mad chit this off-season. The season is almost here and you can do better than this.

[Fat Kat]

Read on Twitter

[Capn'O]

RJ is starting and you'll like it

[br7knicks]

How can you be "anti" Trier? He's a 23 year-old undrafted kid who made it to the NBA through perseverance and hard work. Yes, he has some selfish tendencies but you got to respect his love for the game and his work ethic. He's young enough to change his habits anyway.

He's the only guard in the rotation last season who ended the season with above-league average scoring efficiency. Take a second to think about that. Was he selfish at times? Yes. But at the very least he was not an inefficient chucker. His scoring alone can be conducive to winning basketball. Just because he wasn't drafted with high expectations doesn't mean we should value him less. He's an absolute keeper unless he shows signs of complacency or regression.

well, no. he was selfish most of the time, especially coming down and taking a shot right away, without making a pass. he was more often than not, a black hole. the only person worse than him on defense was knox. there was a lot to dislike about trier last year. we went through too many years of chuckers who didn't play defense.

his style of play, last year, was the opposite of conducive to winning. look at the majority of successful and championship level teams the last decade or so - it's all about highIQ players that play as a team. trier showed none of that.

he did work hard and hustle, but it was mostly at the expense of the team, and winning basketball.


i just hope he's almost nothing like he was last year, because i want to see the knicks finally start to win. we need to see less players like trier last year if we want to see wins. hopefully his play today is what he shows during the regular season (and maybe PO).


until he shows it in the regular season against other teams, he's far from a keeper. but hopefully he'll show the type of player he can be, like he did today. then he'll be a keeper.

I've thought about your bias against Zo and concluded that you let his natural style of hesitation dribbling to shake loose defenders instill in you some unshakeable impression that he's selfish because his go-to move for creating shot opportunities for himself is so playground. But that's just a skill. You need those abilities on your team for some of your players.

I honestly think you've convinced yourself he's a selfish black hole player like Melo because of this, but in reality his handle and offensive style is not a problem if his decision making is good, he makes those decisions quickly whether it means shooting or rotating the ball.

but if he hadn't had so many instances where he would bring the ball down (or was first pass), and never bothered passing to anyone else, i wouldn't see him this way.

he does have great skills that you need in a player. but his low IQ (that he showed last season) made it hard to believe he would be an asset for the team. if he did a great job today, then it's a sign that he learned from his poor decision making and style of play last year.

just want to see wins from my knicks. his style of play and decision making wouldn't allow that to happen, at least not the way he played last season. but it sounds like he's figured it out, so hopefully he changed from who he was last season, because only then is he worth keeping

[HarthorneWingo]

Now you want to start Ellington?

Snap the F out of this babysitting crap you've been pushing

No, I want to "showcase" Ellington. C'mon, man, keep up with me here.

Nah, not interested. You've been talking mad chit this off-season. The season is almost here and you can do better than this.

[G_K_F]

I still believe going with Mitch and the four vets (Randle, Morris, Payton, and Ellington) is a slick move. One, starting the vets takes all the pressure off our young guys like RJ, Frank, DSJ, Knox who all have something to prove this season. Let them come off the bench as a unit and develop some confidence and chemistry against the opposing team's second unit. They would certainly bring a lot of energy off the bench. Hopefully, this would help them develop some chemistry and a defensive identity. Let them make Fizdale change his mind. It's good for them. Let them feel slighted.

What’s the point of starting those guys and winning 30 games? I’d rather win 27 games and start the youngins.

[TruthBeTold]

Knick Fans. You guys getting overexcited over practice? I've seen this movie before.

Sing praises to players over a stupid practice game and then **** on them after a bad preseason or regular season game.

Practice is (bull smile needed). Like I always say, the real TRUTH will start to leak during the preseason, right before the regular season full truth!

[Da_Mane_Man]

I still believe going with Mitch and the four vets (Randle, Morris, Payton, and Ellington) is a slick move. One, starting the vets takes all the pressure off our young guys like RJ, Frank, DSJ, Knox who all have something to prove this season. Let them come off the bench as a unit and develop some confidence and chemistry against the opposing team's second unit. They would certainly bring a lot of energy off the bench. Hopefully, this would help them develop some chemistry and a defensive identity. Let them make Fizdale change his mind. It's good for them. Let them feel slighted.

You know, it might nit be a bad idea to let them fell slighted TOGETHER. They could develop a bond over it. Eh, that's probably too far fetched. I don't think it'll work. Just let the best players start.

[spree2kawhi]

Starting lineup should be for best performers. I bet that's how it is

[spree2kawhi]

It's the same as why harden is so unguardable - it's tough to guard anyone who is OPENLY allowed to take 4-5 steps after they pick up their dribble

Good God, that was ugly and hurt my brain. How bad that travel was

How is that a travel? His dribble is still live as he takes a step back and then gathers and shoots. It's as clean as it gets. Nowhere near a travel

if you can't see the clear and blatant travel, there's nothing i can do to help your bballIQ and understanding of the game.


which is fine. knowing the game isn't for everyone. some just enjoy being entertained. but quite clear a travel. unless they changed the rule to allow 4 steps, in which case, i am wrong about basketball


then again, you and i are watching different videos. i'm watching that tweeted video of frank hitting the step back jumper. you must be watching him spot up and shoot.


all good

That should be a gather plus two steps according to the new rules.

[melo4three]

As someone who is anti Trier, I'm thrilled to hear this. Maybe he's figured basketball out.

He might be worth keeping around, after all, if he can continue doing this. Just hope it translates to the regular season

How can you be "anti" Trier? He's a 23 year-old undrafted kid who made it to the NBA through perseverance and hard work. Yes, he has some selfish tendencies but you got to respect his love for the game and his work ethic. He's young enough to change his habits anyway.

He's the only guard in the rotation last season who ended the season with above-league average scoring efficiency. Take a second to think about that. Was he selfish at times? Yes. But at the very least he was not an inefficient chucker. His scoring alone can be conducive to winning basketball. Just because he wasn't drafted with high expectations doesn't mean we should value him less. He's an absolute keeper unless he shows signs of complacency or regression.

well, no. he was selfish most of the time, especially coming down and taking a shot right away, without making a pass. he was more often than not, a black hole. the only person worse than him on defense was knox. there was a lot to dislike about trier last year. we went through too many years of chuckers who didn't play defense.

his style of play, last year, was the opposite of conducive to winning. look at the majority of successful and championship level teams the last decade or so - it's all about highIQ players that play as a team. trier showed none of that.

he did work hard and hustle, but it was mostly at the expense of the team, and winning basketball.


i just hope he's almost nothing like he was last year, because i want to see the knicks finally start to win. we need to see less players like trier last year if we want to see wins. hopefully his play today is what he shows during the regular season (and maybe PO).


until he shows it in the regular season against other teams, he's far from a keeper. but hopefully he'll show the type of player he can be, like he did today. then he'll be a keeper.

Why should he have passed to those scrubs, he was the most efficient guard on the team by a long shot. Sometimes you gotta let these guys eat. He was one of the most positive players on the team for a reason


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[El Poochio]

Best part about this season is going to be no need to watch a single Knicks game so can focus other stuff in life

[Fat Kat]

Best part about this season is going to be no need to watch a single Knicks game so can focus other stuff in life

So.......see you in the game thread tomorrow?

[Fat Kat]

[3toheadmelo]

[br7knicks]

How is that a travel? His dribble is still live as he takes a step back and then gathers and shoots. It's as clean as it gets. Nowhere near a travel

if you can't see the clear and blatant travel, there's nothing i can do to help your bballIQ and understanding of the game.


which is fine. knowing the game isn't for everyone. some just enjoy being entertained. but quite clear a travel. unless they changed the rule to allow 4 steps, in which case, i am wrong about basketball


then again, you and i are watching different videos. i'm watching that tweeted video of frank hitting the step back jumper. you must be watching him spot up and shoot.


all good

That should be a gather plus two steps according to the new rules.

Correct. I am wrong in this.

According to the NBA, this is not a travel. So yes, it is a legal move.


But according to the rules we've agreed to follow, in youth, high school, international, and college basketball, this is easily a travel. So yes, a basic, simple, basketball 101 travel here.


But the NBA is okay with this move, despite it being an obvious travel. So I am wrong. It's a travel, obviously, but it's allowed in the NBA (but nowhere else) today.

[Deeeez Knicks]

there will be riots if Ellington is starting..i don't even know if he'll be in the rotation

[thebuzzardman]

Best part about this season is going to be no need to watch a single Knicks game so can focus other stuff in life

I said this last year.

And then posted in almost every game thread.



I might have tailed off posting in game threads at one point and didn't watch every game live. I just torrented them and watched a day late.

[NYKnickerbocker]

Can’t wait, hope DSJ can play. Hope all the kids can take positive steps this year to show they can be building blocks or trade pieces

[Chanel Bomber]

I've been quite critical of Knox but it seems like he really put in the work this offseason. I'm excited to see if he can come back and be a more efficient scorer and a more willing passer. I hope to see him play with more energy on both ends.