China cancels NBA stuff / Silver issues statement (pg1) /Ongoing discussion...

[Arman_tanzarian]

As an NBA fan this really is trash. The NBA is my passion. I literally spend more than 10,000 dollars a year on NBA related items whether it be lower bowl tickets, concessions, jerseys, memorabilia and the most expensive aspect is travel to games that includes plane tickets, car rentals, hotels and food. For example I don't live in Philly, but I'm planning on going to the Boston-Philly opener in a few weeks just because I'm a huge basketball fan.

The point of this is for the first time in my life I'm rethinking how I should spend my money. Maybe I will sit a year out. This is crap. If you can't stand up against an authoritarian regime that is putting its Muslim population in concentration camps, brutalizing protesters in Hong Kong and just has a horrible repressive political prison system (Look up the Laogai Prison system) then why should we take you seriously on anything?

Extremely pathetic and cowardly move by Silver and the NBA. It just goes to show you at the end of the day corporations no matter how much they pretend to be progressive are only in it for the bottom line.

My advice: Don't ever put too much loyalty in a brand. A lot of these companies that seem to be doing things for the betterment of society actually are driven by money and ulterior motives. And when money and morality clash, money usually wins.

Don't be shocked and appalled when a US capitalist corporation makes a very capitalist decision.

[TheDoors24]

Being woke is not free you know.

sorry not sure what that means.

Was kidding, I agreed with your post being woke does not immune you from facing consequences.

Ah ic. went over my head. : )

[Duffman100]

Then continue on you'll get no defense from me. This is one of those issues where no side looks good. Prior to your edit I was about to go in though because you might need to learn the history of Hong Kong if you want to know why a defense of Hong Kong is a defense of imperialism.

Also I'm not defending China they're reaching into Africa now as we speak to do the same thing European powers have been doing for hundreds of years.

But you can defend the citizens of HK without defending the political and historical existence of HK. Regardless of how it came into being, you have people whose lives are at risk.

To do so would be to separate the citizens of HK from citizens of China, the country they're citizens of. At that point you're defending the political and historical existence of HK as an entity separate from China.

So again, you're stranding people who had no say how their lives were structured. Who are innocent in their surroundings.

Their lives will just be deemed historical collateral damage. That's a hell of a fate to put on people.

[Kampuchea]

Silly reactions by China. The NBA isn't going to remove the freedom of speech from employees of its teams, and clearly he wasn't speaking on behalf of the NBA.

[clyde21]

There are lives at risk across the board.

Trans lives at risk.
On Hong Kong there are lives at risk.

Who are you to say which lives should be ignored?

trans lives are not at risk if we don't allow men to walk into girls bathrooms

to compare that issue to the outright genocide in Xinjiang is both laughable and disgusting at the same time

almost as comical as the NBA pandering to this nonsense while simultaneously getting in bed with China and UAE and Israel and numerous other historically genocidal regimes on the planet.

If you are naive enough to believe the bathroom issue isn't a deeper cause rooted in discrimination, abuse and high suicide rates than I'm not sure what to say.

You are comparing allowing men to go into womens bathrooms to a literal holocaust in Xinjiang, it's laughable that you actually think this somehow makes you virtuous of some kind...

don't @ me please, thanks.

[Arco Thunder]

Are the Chinese people actually mad about this? Are they burning NBA jerseys in the streets? Are they really OK with the government taking away something millions of them love to watch over a stupid tweet?

I bet 99% of them don't care. Watch, in a month the latest Lebron dunk/Curry game winner will be all over their social media.

[E-Balla]

Not sure why you took out the "other the the US" part as its true but hey you do you

(unless grammar is just that big of an issue for you)

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If you think it's true you don't know the US like you think you do.

How does the US not have true freedom of speech? Or at least close to it?

https://www.scribd.com/document/421166393/FBI-Strategy-Guide-FY2018-20-and-Threat-Guidance-for-Racial-Extremists

The FBI from the 50s up until now have targeted Civil Rights Activists under the term "Black Identity Extremists" in a pretty well documented way. These various operations from COINTELPRO to the more recent IRON FIST have led to the deaths of many activists like Fred Hampton, possibly MLK (I think it's obvious personally), and many major protesters in Ferguson (dying in burning cars, through "suicides", and one even collapsed on a bus). All killed for suggesting the US government shouldn't treat black citizens as an underclass.

Or how about we go into the fact that the first thing our congress did in 2019 was make it illegal to use our right to free speech to criticize and boycott Israel. America likes to say they love free speech but isn't very good at actually promoting free speech.

[Duffman100]

trans lives are not at risk if we don't allow men to walk into girls bathrooms

to compare that issue to the outright genocide in Xinjiang is both laughable and disgusting at the same time

almost as comical as the NBA pandering to this nonsense while simultaneously getting in bed with China and UAE and Israel and numerous other historically genocidal regimes on the planet.

If you are naive enough to believe the bathroom issue isn't a deeper cause rooted in discrimination, abuse and high suicide rates than I'm not sure what to say.

You are comparing allowing men to go into womens bathrooms to a literal holocaust in Xinjiang, it's laughable that you actually think this somehow makes you virtuous of some kind...

don't @ me please, thanks.

When did I say it was comparable?

[clyde21]

If you are naive enough to believe the bathroom issue isn't a deeper cause rooted in discrimination, abuse and high suicide rates than I'm not sure what to say.

You are comparing allowing men to go into womens bathrooms to a literal holocaust in Xinjiang, it's laughable that you actually think this somehow makes you virtuous of some kind...

don't @ me please, thanks.

When did I say it was comparable?

you literally just said 'in both cases lives are at risk'

do I have to sit here and explain to you how laughable that is to even say when Uyghers are literally having their organs harvested as we speak?

but hey, let's all talk about how woke the NBA is for walking out of Charlotte for the trans bathroom nonsense.

[LeMasta]

Are the Chinese people actually mad about this? Are they burning NBA jerseys in the streets? Are they really OK with the government taking away something millions of them love to watch over a stupid tweet?

I bet 99% of them don't care. Watch, in a month the latest Lebron dunk/Curry game winner will be all over their social media.

I don't know if its true for sure but I did hear that you can get jailed for criticizing the government in China

[clyde21]

If you think it's true you don't know the US like you think you do.

How does the US not have true freedom of speech? Or at least close to it?

https://www.scribd.com/document/421166393/FBI-Strategy-Guide-FY2018-20-and-Threat-Guidance-for-Racial-Extremists

The FBI from the 50s up until now have targeted Civil Rights Activists under the term "Black Identity Extremists" in a pretty well documented way. These various operations from COINTELPRO to the more recent IRON FIST have led to the deaths of many activists like Fred Hampton, possibly MLK (I think it's obvious personally), and many major protesters in Ferguson (dying in burning cars, through suicides, and one even collapsed on a bus). All killed for suggesting the US government shouldn't treat black citizens as an underclass.

Or how about we go into the fact that the first thing our congress did in 2019 was make it illegal to use our right to free speech to criticize and boycott Israel. America likes to say they love free speech but isn't very good at actually promoting free speech.

'America...FREEDOM OF SPEECH...1st AMENDMENT'

'oh btw you can't protest or boycott Israel'

[Duffman100]

You are comparing allowing men to go into womens bathrooms to a literal holocaust in Xinjiang, it's laughable that you actually think this somehow makes you virtuous of some kind...

don't @ me please, thanks.

When did I say it was comparable?

you literally just said 'in both cases lives are at risk'

do I have to sit here and explain to you how laughable that is to even say when Uyghers are literally having their organs harvested as we speak?

but hey, let's all talk about how woke the NBA is for walking out of Charlotte for the trans bathroom nonsense.

That's not saying the events are comparable. That's saying there's a commonality between them.

In both situations, there are lives at risk. That's just a fact.

Your idea that we have to ignore the smaller issue until the bigger one is solved is flawed

[KyRo23]

You are comparing allowing men to go into womens bathrooms to a literal holocaust in Xinjiang, it's laughable that you actually think this somehow makes you virtuous of some kind...

don't @ me please, thanks.

When did I say it was comparable?

you literally just said 'in both cases lives are at risk'

do I have to sit here and explain to you how laughable that is to even say when Uyghers are literally having their organs harvested as we speak?

but hey, let's all talk about how woke the NBA is for walking out of Charlotte for the trans bathroom nonsense.

Do you have an article on the organ harvesting? Wild

[E-Balla]

But you can defend the citizens of HK without defending the political and historical existence of HK. Regardless of how it came into being, you have people whose lives are at risk.

To do so would be to separate the citizens of HK from citizens of China, the country they're citizens of. At that point you're defending the political and historical existence of HK as an entity separate from China.

So again, you're stranding people who had no say how their lives were structured. Who are innocent in their surroundings.

Their lives will just be deemed historical collateral damage. That's a hell of a fate to put on people.

China is going to go to HK and just murder each citizen? No? Then what exactly are you talking about here? These people are Chinese citizens, if China gets HK back proper and they go back to China proper with no fighting they'll be welcomed. If they don't they'll probably be killed or imprisoned. This is no different from any other country and how they act towards their citizens/defectors.

They're only stranded because they support western imperialism over their Chinese authoritarianism.

[MotownMadness]

South Park just recently had all of their episodes blocked in China as well due to an unfavorable espisode that was just aired. They just tweeted out their "apology" as well. I really wish Silver would have taken this route...

I wasn't aware of this comparison before but that is hilarious!

I was really hoping that South Park would get wind of this. I'd love to see the next episode continue the China stuff and add the new NBA issues.

You know they arent done yet

[seccom]

Amen. Tons of people use freedom of speech as a shield. They have consequences. Right or wrong.

But the consequences cannot be jail time, like China, or government civil action, like Singapore.

of course but here in the consequences here is what's currently happening to the NBA. Huge financial loses.

Freedom is NOT free. Freedom for a lot of countries, US included, was paid for by the life of many dead soldiers.

I think cash payment is not high at all.

[clyde21]

When did I say it was comparable?

you literally just said 'in both cases lives are at risk'

do I have to sit here and explain to you how laughable that is to even say when Uyghers are literally having their organs harvested as we speak?

but hey, let's all talk about how woke the NBA is for walking out of Charlotte for the trans bathroom nonsense.

That's not saying the events are comparable. That's saying there's a commonality between them.

In both situations, there are lives at risk. That's just a fact.

Your idea that we have to ignore the smaller issue until the bigger one is solved is flawed

not even going to get into the notion that allowing men into womens bathroom is an issue in the first place, but let's say that it is.

i didn't say don't tackle the smaller issues before the bigger issue, just don't pretend you're holier than thou and 'fighting the good fight' taking on things like the trans bathroom thing while simultaneously getting into bed with regimes that are committing MASS genocide. just don't say you're pro freedom and human rights (aimed at the NBA).

it's easy to act when it doesn't affect your pocket much (Charlotte), but when it's something will (China), you are on your knees despite the insane amount of human rights abuses.

[MotownMadness]

When did I say it was comparable?

you literally just said 'in both cases lives are at risk'

do I have to sit here and explain to you how laughable that is to even say when Uyghers are literally having their organs harvested as we speak?

but hey, let's all talk about how woke the NBA is for walking out of Charlotte for the trans bathroom nonsense.

Do you have an article on the organ harvesting? Wild

Getting into that ISIS market

[clyde21]

When did I say it was comparable?

you literally just said 'in both cases lives are at risk'

do I have to sit here and explain to you how laughable that is to even say when Uyghers are literally having their organs harvested as we speak?

but hey, let's all talk about how woke the NBA is for walking out of Charlotte for the trans bathroom nonsense.

Do you have an article on the organ harvesting? Wild

Read on Twitter

[Duffman100]

To do so would be to separate the citizens of HK from citizens of China, the country they're citizens of. At that point you're defending the political and historical existence of HK as an entity separate from China.

So again, you're stranding people who had no say how their lives were structured. Who are innocent in their surroundings.

Their lives will just be deemed historical collateral damage. That's a hell of a fate to put on people.

China is going to go to HK and just murder each citizen? No? Then what exactly are you talking about here? These people are Chinese citizens, if China gets HK back proper and they go back to China proper with no fighting they'll be welcomed. If they don't they'll probably be killed or imprisoned. This is no different from any other country and how they act towards their citizens/defectors.

They're only stranded because they support western imperialism over their Chinese authoritarianism.

You think China, of all places, is going to ignore the protestors? Not identify them? Ignore the journalists and political bloggers? Give them a pass.

People are going to die. Don't be naive.