OT: Hong Kong, China, United States and NBA

[Clyde_Style]

trump can be right about kerr being scared and also be a hypocrite and an absolute lunatic. crazy people can occasionally say something truthful. wingo does.

Well said (even for a crazy, hateful person like yourself)

[HarthorneWingo]

trump can be right about kerr being scared and also be a hypocrite and an absolute lunatic. crazy people can occasionally say something truthful. wingo does.

[NowWHYcee7]

Hard to say. If someone actually believes Trump has a sincere bone in his body, they might also believe he can't be impeached though I can't imagine where that came from.

I believe their DJ Clue was referring to an old memorandum in the DOJ that opined a sitting President should not be indicted. It never said they can't be indicted. It was merely an internal department opinion, not law of any kind.

And that was about federal indictments more than the actual impeachment process.

And if this person does not understand that, then perhaps they don't understand impeachment. The House indicts, the Senate convicts. If the Senate convicts, then the US Marshalls will drag Trump out of the WH whether he wants to leave or not.

So the indictment and conviction process of impeachment is how you remove a President. Actual indictments can be handed down independently of that process by state and federal courts. The DOJ Memo was warning against federal indictments, but states are not implicated by that and we currently have a NY State Grand Jury preparing to indict Trump and nothing can stop them and he has no presidential privilege or pardoning powers against state charges.

In sum, you can impeach Trump, you can indict him NOW as a sitting president on a federal or state level and nothing about a single memo changes that. It is not law, just a departmental opinion.

The only precedent is nobody has indicted a sitting president before. But that's not law, just something that hasn't happened YET. There's always a first time

You really over analyzing a joke referencing an old mixtape series from the 90’s by Dj Clue? Hilarious.

Bottom line though is that Trump isn’t going anywhere, he’s either going to win another term or be defeated, but it’s apparent to anyone with a brain that the democrats are grasping for straws, first with the Russia crap, now with Ukraine.

Trump represents the failing American society we currently live in, where celebrities and social media activists foist an alternate reality on to the populace. Even then, he isn’t worse than bush jr, and we would be worse off with Clinton. He just happens to say some real **** sometimes, and calling out Kerr and Popovich and all these other cowards in the NBA kissing up to a dictatorship all because of money is refreshing. Maybe this is why they shouldn’t get mad when they get told to shut up and dribble....cause when it’s time to stand up for some real ****, they fold.

Since you choose to ignore basic facts, I'd say reality is not one of your strengths.

And mocking anyone for not knowing who DJ Clue was is the only thing hilarious here

Oh please. I bet you thought mueller was gonna do something too. Lmao.

[Clyde_Style]

You really over analyzing a joke referencing an old mixtape series from the 90’s by Dj Clue? Hilarious.

Bottom line though is that Trump isn’t going anywhere, he’s either going to win another term or be defeated, but it’s apparent to anyone with a brain that the democrats are grasping for straws, first with the Russia crap, now with Ukraine.

Trump represents the failing American society we currently live in, where celebrities and social media activists foist an alternate reality on to the populace. Even then, he isn’t worse than bush jr, and we would be worse off with Clinton. He just happens to say some real **** sometimes, and calling out Kerr and Popovich and all these other cowards in the NBA kissing up to a dictatorship all because of money is refreshing. Maybe this is why they shouldn’t get mad when they get told to shut up and dribble....cause when it’s time to stand up for some real ****, they fold.

Since you choose to ignore basic facts, I'd say reality is not one of your strengths.

And mocking anyone for not knowing who DJ Clue was is the only thing hilarious here

Oh please. I bet you thought mueller was gonna do something too. Lmao.

Let's say you're right.

Will you have the least bit of integrity to say you were wrong when Trump is ousted?

Like most people who posture like you do, you'll probably be nowhere to be found when that happens.

[thebuzzardman]

What's the over/under on the number of posts before "demoncrats" gets used in a sentence?

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

What's the over/under on the number of posts before "demoncrats" gets used in a sentence?

-1 ... you just used it

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Overall ... it's off-topic and not as interesting as ice-baths, but ... the thread was probably better as a place for the people in HK to vent than as a low-key further Drumpf/TDS hangout.

[Clyde_Style]

Overall ... it's off-topic and not as interesting as ice-baths, but ... the thread was probably better as a place for the people in HK to vent than as a low-key further Drumpf/TDS hangout.

Agreed

FREE HONG KONG!

[matchman]

A taxi driver who was accused of deliberately ramming his vehicle into a crowd of pro-democracy protesters is to receive a HK$520,000 donation from a pro-Beijing group.

https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/10/10/hong-kong-taxi-driver-accused-ploughing-protesters-receive-hk520k-pro-beijing-group/

This is quite a terrorist act against their own people with reward!

[aq_ua]

Probably worth mentioning that the NBA was naive in thinking that any business could be immune from the effects of a prolonged trade war. At the heart of it, unfortunately, the US skin in this China vs. HK story really seems to be about trade.

We also only talk about the "NBA" downside of the equation when it comes to this story. Basketball is huge in China, and sports in general in China is estimated to be a $300-400 billion industry. Imagine if China loses access to the best basketball league in the world, and possibly the cast out NBA players that sometimes end up in Chinese leagues. Obviously it doesn't cripple China's economy but they won't avoid the pain either.

The government of China "abruptly moved on Thursday to tamp down public anger at the NBA," according to reporting from the New York Times. There were concerns beginning to surface "that the rhetoric was damaging China's interests and image around the world."

Premonitory! Feel free to hire me as your geopolitical advisor, NBA.

[bigtimeRC3]

this is why i barely watch the games. these players and the nba have no morals and are part of the 1%. idk why people are blaming trump for all their troubles. we have been living under deblasios and cuomo ny for six plus years. things were much better under giuliani pataki and bloomberg. and this is why communism like china does not work. nyc is already a socialist state and the poorer are getting poorer and the richer are getting richer.

[movingon]

this is why i barely watch the games. these players and the nba have no morals and are part of the 1%. idk why people are blaming trump for all their troubles. we have been living under deblasios and cuomo ny for six plus years. things were much better under giuliani pataki and bloomberg. and this is why communism like china does not work. nyc is already a socialist state and the poorer are getting poorer and the richer are getting richer.

Among wealthy nations, the US has a larger income inequality* than nations with what Americans refer to as socialist policies.
Somehow the far right seems to have convinced you that unregulated capitalism distributes wealth, which is blatantly false.
The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer precisely because of the policies of the White House, which favor big business. Or do you actually believe in trickle down economics?

https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/economic-data/wealth-distribution-income-inequality

[matchman]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/10/business/china-blows-whistle-on-nationalist-protests-against-the-nba.html

BEIJING — After three days of fanning nationalistic outrage, the Chinese government abruptly moved on Thursday to tamp down public anger at the N.B.A. as concerns spread in Beijing that the rhetoric was damaging China’s interests and image around the world.

For days, China’s state-run news outlets and tightly controlled social media platforms had been alight with criticism of the N.B.A. after a Houston Rockets executive expressed support for Hong Kong’s antigovernment protesters on Twitter. Plans to broadcast two N.B.A. preseason games were canceled and some Chinese companies suspended partnerships with the league.

Now, the Chinese government appears to be reassessing its campaign against the N.B.A. and dialing down the clamor. The government is already in a bruising trade war with the United States, and a backlash against China could hurt its image in the sporting world ahead of the 2022 Winter Olympics near Beijing. The dispute with the N.B.A. was also quickly politicizing an audience of sports fans who would not normally focus on issues like the protests in Hong Kong.

It is quite funny isn't it?

[thebuzzardman]

I often like to base my political, economic and social views of the world and history based on the actions of a tiny part of one country at one slice of time of it's existence.

[matchman]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49983767

This article shows the attack is not random, and most importantly they are no riots. Nothing is being stolen, no empty cashier and all attacked shops have some sort of ties with the oppressions.

[NowWHYcee7]

this is why i barely watch the games. these players and the nba have no morals and are part of the 1%. idk why people are blaming trump for all their troubles. we have been living under deblasios and cuomo ny for six plus years. things were much better under giuliani pataki and bloomberg. and this is why communism like china does not work. nyc is already a socialist state and the poorer are getting poorer and the richer are getting richer.

Among wealthy nations, the US has a larger income inequality* than nations with what Americans refer to as socialist policies.
Somehow the far right seems to have convinced you that unregulated capitalism distributes wealth, which is blatantly false.
The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer precisely because of the policies of the White House, which favor big business. Or do you actually believe in trickle down economics?

https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/economic-data/wealth-distribution-income-inequality

I believe in what I see with my own two eyes. Every state run by leftist policies is a hell-hole.

[NowWHYcee7]

Since you choose to ignore basic facts, I'd say reality is not one of your strengths.

And mocking anyone for not knowing who DJ Clue was is the only thing hilarious here

Oh please. I bet you thought mueller was gonna do something too. Lmao.

Let's say you're right.

Will you have the least bit of integrity to say you were wrong when Trump is ousted?

Like most people who posture like you do, you'll probably be nowhere to be found when that happens.

The only one coming through that door is Rachel Maddow. Sorry, chief.

[Clyde_Style]

Oh please. I bet you thought mueller was gonna do something too. Lmao.

Let's say you're right.

Will you have the least bit of integrity to say you were wrong when Trump is ousted?

Like most people who posture like you do, you'll probably be nowhere to be found when that happens.

The only one coming through that door is Rachel Maddow. Sorry, chief.

You end every post with a snotty statement like LMAO, Hilarious, Chief. Don't have the time for this.

[GONYK]

Read on Twitter

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Kerr’s answer here is as cowardly and shameful as it gets.

This is the tack that Trump takes when defending Russia.

[moocow007]

The leaders of China are acting a bit childish about this, they surely can't expect the NBA to remove freedom of speech from the employees of various teams. The statement was also not made by the NBA or on behalf of the NBA, I suppose I could understand them being annoyed with the Rockets but not sure why the NBA as a whole is targeted.

Sure they can.

Chinese minds work differently than Western minds. In this case we may be dealing with a westernized Chinese mindset which is even more dangerous IMO (with the westernization of the Chinese society they pretty much have also been unburdened with a previous weakness).

This is part of a greater power play. One which has ramifications beyond just the NBA and even the rights of the people of Hong Kong. This whole thing isn't about HK. It definitely not about the NBA, the Rockets or Daryl Morey.

I'm sure Trump knows it and may even be engaged in it. Problem is for all of Trump's supposed business acumen, I'm not sure he's fully prepared for the viper he's dealing with. For everyone's sake, sure hope he is. He may be more equipped than any other option (no I'm not a Trump supporter, I'm a pragmatist unburdened and not jaded by political party or predefined notions or preferences...same like my opinions of the Knicks).

This is the new global battle that will be fought on a new battle ground, not with guns or planes or any sort of thing the US has clear advantages at. Chinese people are very pragmatic they won't engage in a battle they clearly don't have the tools to win. Instead, they'll change the battle ground and the weapons used so they do have the advantage.

How do I know this? Sun Tzu was Chinese and they are following his teachings...see Art of War. Various principles outlined in it have already been put into play.

On a somewhat related note...the US's quote/unquote greatest global ally (no, not the Brits lol) will be critical for US success as they have the perfect unfiltered mindset (and tools) to fight these new type of battles. So Trump needs to not do anything to jeopardize that relationship.

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