Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I]

[clyde21]

Zach Norvell Jr. started and played 33 minutes in Monday's 104-98 win over the Warriors, scoring 22 points (6-of-13 FGs, 7-of-8 FTs) with four rebounds, one assist, one steal and three 3-pointers.

The Lakers were without at least five players who will be a part of the rotation when the regular season begins, which opened things up for Norvell. The rookie out of Gonzaga, who's on a two-way contract, made the most of his opportunity by leading the Lakers in scoring with a combination of jump shots and tough finishes around the basket. And Norvell wasn't the only guard to do a good job of filling in for the team's veterans, as David Stockton (seven assists, one rebound and one steal) and Demetrius Jackson (seven rebounds, four assists, one steal and one block) scored ten and 11 points, respectively, off the bench.

[amcoolio]

PJ Washington has been so good on both sides of the ball that Borrego is starting him over Marvin Williams and will likely start in the regular season. Reminds me a lot of Al Horford.

[shakes0]

Honestly, I think at this point I can pretty much call the first team all rookie team this year. I don't really see anyone else cracking this group:

Zion
Herro
RJ
Ja
Clarke


I think Garland is the only other player who has a chance at beating one of those guys for a spot.

[clyde21]

Honestly, I think at this point I can pretty much call the first team all rookie team this year. I don't really see anyone else cracking this group:

Zion
Herro
RJ
Ja
Clarke


I think Garland is the only other player who has a chance at beating one of those guys for a spot.

i can see Garland, Rui or Hunter making it

[shakes0]

Honestly, I think at this point I can pretty much call the first team all rookie team this year. I don't really see anyone else cracking this group:

Zion
Herro
RJ
Ja
Clarke


I think Garland is the only other player who has a chance at beating one of those guys for a spot.

i can see Garland, Rui or Hunter making it

I don't think Hunter is going to have a chance to put up the numbers needed to keep up with those guys. Too many mouths to feed.

I thought of Rui, but I'm just not buying it in terms of beating out any of those guys. I have Clarke has my last guy and I don't see Rui coming close to his efficiency even if they put up similar raw numbers which could also be a bit of a stretch given Clarke's rebounding.

[sfernald]

Honestly, I think at this point I can pretty much call the first team all rookie team this year. I don't really see anyone else cracking this group:

Zion
Herro
RJ
Ja
Clarke


I think Garland is the only other player who has a chance at beating one of those guys for a spot.

i can see Garland, Rui or Hunter making it

Maybe MPJ too. He looked pretty decent last night.

[shakes0]

Honestly, I think at this point I can pretty much call the first team all rookie team this year. I don't really see anyone else cracking this group:

Zion
Herro
RJ
Ja
Clarke


I think Garland is the only other player who has a chance at beating one of those guys for a spot.

i can see Garland, Rui or Hunter making it

Maybe MPJ too. He looked pretty decent last night.

He's never going to get the playing time/touches necessary to keep up with the guys I listed. Same goes for NAW.

[Buzzard]

Honestly, I think at this point I can pretty much call the first team all rookie team this year. I don't really see anyone else cracking this group:

Zion
Herro
RJ
Ja
Clarke


I think Garland is the only other player who has a chance at beating one of those guys for a spot.

i can see Garland, Rui or Hunter making it

I don't think Hunter is going to have a chance to put up the numbers needed to keep up with those guys. Too many mouths to feed.

I thought of Rui, but I'm just not buying it in terms of beating out any of those guys. I have Clarke has my last guy and I don't see Rui coming close to his efficiency even if they put up similar raw numbers which could also be a bit of a stretch given Clarke's rebounding.

There are a lot of mouths to feed in Atlanta; but I think Crabbe and Huerter, who have not played yet, are going to impact Reddish and non rookie Bembry more than Hunter.

I think Hunter has a chance to be last seasons Huerter. He is getting almost 25 minutes a game and until last night had a decent statistical preseason going on. One horrible game absolutely trashed his TS% from the other two decent games.

[clyde21]

i can see Garland, Rui or Hunter making it

Maybe MPJ too. He looked pretty decent last night.

He's never going to get the playing time/touches necessary to keep up with the guys I listed. Same goes for NAW.

MPJr won't get the minutes I agree

I think NAW will force himself into 20+ minutes at some point (really should be starting)

[Sharkboy242]

Maybe MPJ too. He looked pretty decent last night.

He's never going to get the playing time/touches necessary to keep up with the guys I listed. Same goes for NAW.

MPJr won't get the minutes I agree

I think NAW will force himself into 20+ minutes at some point (really should be starting)

This is such a dumb notion

The Nuggets suffered greatly by not having adequate size at the forward position last season. Its not a matter of him being stuck behind depth that doesn't exist - its a matter of him being healthy. He already looks way better than all but two forwards on the roster.

[clyde21]

He's never going to get the playing time/touches necessary to keep up with the guys I listed. Same goes for NAW.

MPJr won't get the minutes I agree

I think NAW will force himself into 20+ minutes at some point (really should be starting)

This is such a dumb notion

The Nuggets suffered greatly by not having adequate size at the forward position last season. Its not a matter of him being stuck behind depth that doesn't exist - its a matter of him being healthy. He already looks way better than all but two forwards on the roster.

if he gets enough minutes to be in consideration for first team all rookie, good for him, I still don't see it with the Nuggets' depth and him still trying to get comfortable with his back over long stretches.

[shakes0]

He's never going to get the playing time/touches necessary to keep up with the guys I listed. Same goes for NAW.

MPJr won't get the minutes I agree

I think NAW will force himself into 20+ minutes at some point (really should be starting)

This is such a dumb notion

The Nuggets suffered greatly by not having adequate size at the forward position last season. Its not a matter of him being stuck behind depth that doesn't exist - its a matter of him being healthy. He already looks way better than all but two forwards on the roster.

No, your notion is dumb. I don't care if he even starts, he's never going to get the ball enough to put up numbers comparable to the guys I listed.

His ceiling is 2nd team all rookie.

[Sharkboy242]

MPJr won't get the minutes I agree

I think NAW will force himself into 20+ minutes at some point (really should be starting)

This is such a dumb notion

The Nuggets suffered greatly by not having adequate size at the forward position last season. Its not a matter of him being stuck behind depth that doesn't exist - its a matter of him being healthy. He already looks way better than all but two forwards on the roster.

if he gets enough minutes to be in consideration for first team all rookie, good for him, I still don't see it with the Nuggets' depth and him still trying to get comfortable with his back over long stretches.

Yeah that depth of Will Barton at the 3 who got benched in the playoffs last season.

Serious forward depth guys.

[Marcus]

This is such a dumb notion

The Nuggets suffered greatly by not having adequate size at the forward position last season. Its not a matter of him being stuck behind depth that doesn't exist - its a matter of him being healthy. He already looks way better than all but two forwards on the roster.

if he gets enough minutes to be in consideration for first team all rookie, good for him, I still don't see it with the Nuggets' depth and him still trying to get comfortable with his back over long stretches.

Yeah that depth of Will Barton at the 3 who got benched in the playoffs last season.

Serious forward depth guys.

what role do you see MPJ having if healthy? where in the pecking order?

[TunaFish]

if he gets enough minutes to be in consideration for first team all rookie, good for him, I still don't see it with the Nuggets' depth and him still trying to get comfortable with his back over long stretches.

Yeah that depth of Will Barton at the 3 who got benched in the playoffs last season.

Serious forward depth guys.

what role do you see MPJ having if healthy? where in the pecking order?

Starter by January, top 3 on the Nuggets by the all star break.

[Marcus]

Yeah that depth of Will Barton at the 3 who got benched in the playoffs last season.

Serious forward depth guys.

what role do you see MPJ having if healthy? where in the pecking order?

Starter by January, top 3 on the Nuggets by the all star break.

Who spot he taking? Milsapp or Murray?

[clyde21]

This is such a dumb notion

The Nuggets suffered greatly by not having adequate size at the forward position last season. Its not a matter of him being stuck behind depth that doesn't exist - its a matter of him being healthy. He already looks way better than all but two forwards on the roster.

if he gets enough minutes to be in consideration for first team all rookie, good for him, I still don't see it with the Nuggets' depth and him still trying to get comfortable with his back over long stretches.

Yeah that depth of Will Barton at the 3 who got benched in the playoffs last season.

Serious forward depth guys.

oh you're talking in sarcasm you must REALLY know what you're talking about!

and yes, depth, hes gonna be fighting for minutes with Harris, Barton, Craig, Beasley and Juancho...that's a lot to ask from a guy who hasn't played real NBA minutes EVER

[Sharkboy242]

if he gets enough minutes to be in consideration for first team all rookie, good for him, I still don't see it with the Nuggets' depth and him still trying to get comfortable with his back over long stretches.

Yeah that depth of Will Barton at the 3 who got benched in the playoffs last season.

Serious forward depth guys.

what role do you see MPJ having if healthy? where in the pecking order?

As far as I'm concerned he's third in the forward depth chart already behind Millsap/Grant, and both of those players are Power forwards. The Nuggets currently don't have a legitimate Small Forward; Barton is undersized and gets punished defensively versus any legit 3, Craig is a solid defender but bad on the offensive end, and Juancho has yet to get consistent minutes in the rotation (streaky shooter and poor defender).

He can easily be the starting SF and WILL be the starting SF barring any injuries. My prediction is he's starting by end of December.

[Sharkboy242]

if he gets enough minutes to be in consideration for first team all rookie, good for him, I still don't see it with the Nuggets' depth and him still trying to get comfortable with his back over long stretches.

Yeah that depth of Will Barton at the 3 who got benched in the playoffs last season.

Serious forward depth guys.

oh you're talking in sarcasm you must REALLY know what you're talking about!

and yes, depth, hes gonna be fighting for minutes with Harris, Barton, Craig, Beasley and Juancho...that's a lot to ask from a guy who hasn't played real NBA minutes EVER

Doesn't change the fact that the Nugget's biggest weakness during the playoffs was lack of depth and size at the forward position. None of the players you mentioned address that. Juancho isn't going to get consistent minutes this season - has yet to happen and won't happen this season unless there's injuries.

If the Nuggets are serious about taking the next step its not going to happen by doubling down on the same players they played last year.

[TunaFish]

what role do you see MPJ having if healthy? where in the pecking order?

Starter by January, top 3 on the Nuggets by the all star break.

Who spot he taking? Milsapp or Murray?

Craig or Barton. He will play small forward.