Cavs 2019-2020 Regular Season

[JonFromVA]

Sexton looks like a quintessential 6th man type like Lou Williams.

He has the ability to be a much better defender than that.

Collin is young and wasn't taught anything for a year, but he's really struggling to defend right now, and he was a major reason we were all-time bad last year.

There was one play last night he anticipated a screen, moved to get around it, and his man just drove right up the middle for a layup. There were numerous times he was defending his guy 1v1, and they just nailed shots right over him.

Take a look at William's draft profile ... Dx was pretty high up on his defensive potential once upon a time: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Louis-Williams-231/

Might click for Collin ... might not.

[jbk1234]

Sexton looks like a quintessential 6th man type like Lou Williams.

He has the ability to be a much better defender than that.

Collin is young and wasn't taught anything for a year, but he's really struggling to defend right now, and he was a major reason we were all-time bad last year.

There was one play last night he anticipated a screen, moved to get around it, and his man just drove right up the middle for a layup. There were numerous times he was defending his guy 1v1, and they just nailed shots right over him.

Take a look at William's draft profile ... Dx was pretty high up on his defensive potential once upon a time: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Louis-Williams-231/

Might click for Collin ... might not.

I'm seeing flashes where he's making a more concerted effort to stay with his guy but we're definitely going to get screened to death with a Sexton/Garland back court until one or both of them step up their defense.

[JonFromVA]

He has the ability to be a much better defender than that.

Collin is young and wasn't taught anything for a year, but he's really struggling to defend right now, and he was a major reason we were all-time bad last year.

There was one play last night he anticipated a screen, moved to get around it, and his man just drove right up the middle for a layup. There were numerous times he was defending his guy 1v1, and they just nailed shots right over him.

Take a look at William's draft profile ... Dx was pretty high up on his defensive potential once upon a time: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Louis-Williams-231/

Might click for Collin ... might not.

I'm seeing flashes where he's making a more concerted effort to stay with his guy but we're definitely going to get screened to death with a Sexton/Garland back court until one or both of them step up their defense.

Yeah, I'm not concerned with his attitude, we just have to see if he can start figuring things out. Like Austin says, these guys are just thinking too much at this point - the right thing to do hasn't been burnt in to their muscle memory yet.

[Stillwater]

That was painful. The Celtics played as a a single unit with rookies and second string players. We basically looked like a summer league team that had two days of practice before our first game. If we're going to use Berlein's system, then the none shooting big men have to go. The Celtics helped off of our G League bigs and Nance all night.

I didn't expect us to be good but we look like the worst team in the league by a pretty wide margin.

Yeah, watching the Cavs all these years, you'd think what the Celtics have done integrating their rooks is impossible; but then I remember the Cavs defense has a knack of making other teams look much better than they are.

It's certainly a nice object lesson for Beilein to be able to show tape of how the Celtics are executing .vs. how we are, but it's worrisome that we don't even seem to be trying to run stuff like the C's used to get their guys open.

So, yeah, I imagine if Cedi was on the Celtics he'd look a lot better than he does on the Cavs. Fingers crossed we can get there eventually.

Altman really needs to do a bit more this season than trade $$$ for picks. He needs to start getting people on the roster who can execute what Beilein wants.

don't forget the only 4 year college player we drafted hasn't played in the preseason and the Grant Williams ,Carson Edwards crew both spent 3 seasons in college and Waters played 2 where as their one and done in Romeo hardly saw the court in either game if at all.
The Cavs look like they should look...young

[JonFromVA]

That was painful. The Celtics played as a a single unit with rookies and second string players. We basically looked like a summer league team that had two days of practice before our first game. If we're going to use Berlein's system, then the none shooting big men have to go. The Celtics helped off of our G League bigs and Nance all night.

I didn't expect us to be good but we look like the worst team in the league by a pretty wide margin.

Yeah, watching the Cavs all these years, you'd think what the Celtics have done integrating their rooks is impossible; but then I remember the Cavs defense has a knack of making other teams look much better than they are.

It's certainly a nice object lesson for Beilein to be able to show tape of how the Celtics are executing .vs. how we are, but it's worrisome that we don't even seem to be trying to run stuff like the C's used to get their guys open.

So, yeah, I imagine if Cedi was on the Celtics he'd look a lot better than he does on the Cavs. Fingers crossed we can get there eventually.

Altman really needs to do a bit more this season than trade $$$ for picks. He needs to start getting people on the roster who can execute what Beilein wants.

don't forget the only 4 year college player we drafted hasn't played in the preseason and the Grant Williams ,Carson Edwards crew both spent 3 seasons in college and Waters played 2 where as their one and done in Romeo hardly saw the court in either game if at all.
The Cavs look like they should look...young

That works for Garland, and Porter Jr, but Sexton has a year in the NBA (which is a lot of games compared to NCAA), Bolden, and Wade both played a lot of College ball, while Martin, Osman, Clarkson, Nance Jr, Love, Thornwell, and Delly are all vets.

We had some guys sitting out, sure, but the Celtics sat every starter.

So... whatever it is Brad had his bench bunch playing like they knew what they were doing; but alas, that's generally how everyone has looked when playing against us last year.

Maybe JB (either of them) has some magic pixie dust ... or a whole lot of patience, but generally speaking when a team plays like this - it has to be either rebuilt with guys who know how to play or taught how to play. When Mike Brown went through this (and he only focused on the defense) it took nearly 2 seasons before things started to click.

Too bad we wasted last year or we might be well on our way.

[jbk1234]

Yeah, watching the Cavs all these years, you'd think what the Celtics have done integrating their rooks is impossible; but then I remember the Cavs defense has a knack of making other teams look much better than they are.

It's certainly a nice object lesson for Beilein to be able to show tape of how the Celtics are executing .vs. how we are, but it's worrisome that we don't even seem to be trying to run stuff like the C's used to get their guys open.

So, yeah, I imagine if Cedi was on the Celtics he'd look a lot better than he does on the Cavs. Fingers crossed we can get there eventually.

Altman really needs to do a bit more this season than trade $$$ for picks. He needs to start getting people on the roster who can execute what Beilein wants.

don't forget the only 4 year college player we drafted hasn't played in the preseason and the Grant Williams ,Carson Edwards crew both spent 3 seasons in college and Waters played 2 where as their one and done in Romeo hardly saw the court in either game if at all.
The Cavs look like they should look...young

That works for Garland, and Porter Jr, but Sexton has a year in the NBA (which is a lot of games compared to NCAA), Bolden, and Wade both played a lot of College ball, while Martin, Osman, Clarkson, Nance Jr, Love, Thornwell, and Delly are all vets.

We had some guys sitting out, sure, but the Celtics sat every starter.

So... whatever it is Brad had his bench bunch playing like they knew what they were doing; but alas, that's generally how everyone has looked when playing against us last year.

Maybe JB (either of them) has some magic pixie dust ... or a whole lot of patience, but generally speaking when a team plays like this - it has to be either rebuilt with guys who know how to play or taught how to play. When Mike Brown went through this (and he only focused on the defense) it took nearly 2 seasons before things started to click.

Too bad we wasted last year or we might be well on our way.

I would add to that the fact that guys don't look anywhere near in game shape which is a problem if you want to play a motion offense and an active defense. I kind of like how the Heat have minimum conditioning requirements, and if a player doesn't meet them, he gets sent home.

Some of these players just aren't good, and never really have been, but as a team they need another month of pre-season and that they're not going to get it.

It's going to be a really rough first 30 games or so.

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[JonFromVA]

don't forget the only 4 year college player we drafted hasn't played in the preseason and the Grant Williams ,Carson Edwards crew both spent 3 seasons in college and Waters played 2 where as their one and done in Romeo hardly saw the court in either game if at all.
The Cavs look like they should look...young

That works for Garland, and Porter Jr, but Sexton has a year in the NBA (which is a lot of games compared to NCAA), Bolden, and Wade both played a lot of College ball, while Martin, Osman, Clarkson, Nance Jr, Love, Thornwell, and Delly are all vets.

We had some guys sitting out, sure, but the Celtics sat every starter.

So... whatever it is Brad had his bench bunch playing like they knew what they were doing; but alas, that's generally how everyone has looked when playing against us last year.

Maybe JB (either of them) has some magic pixie dust ... or a whole lot of patience, but generally speaking when a team plays like this - it has to be either rebuilt with guys who know how to play or taught how to play. When Mike Brown went through this (and he only focused on the defense) it took nearly 2 seasons before things started to click.

Too bad we wasted last year or we might be well on our way.

I would add to that the fact that guys don't look anywhere near in game shape which is a problem if you want to play a motion offense and an active defense. I kind of like how the Heat have minimum conditioning requirements, and if a player doesn't meet them, he gets sent home.

Some of these players just aren't good, and never really have been, but as a team they need another month of pre-season and that they're not going to get it.

It's going to be a really rough first 30 games or so.

Or maybe they're just being overworked in practice?

I mean we've seen in the past when Ty Lue would take it easy on our vets during training camp, that it would take them weeks in to the season to get in to game shape. But the guys taking it easy (due to age, injuries) have looked pretty good compared to the guys who've been healthy and available for all the practices.

But yeah, they haven't looked particular high-energy or even particular athletic.

Dean Wade is about the only guy I can think of that's stood out as someone hustling and making some things happen.

Or we can circle around to Austin's words that maybe they're stuck in the muck because they're thinking about everything they do.

[Stillwater]

Yeah, watching the Cavs all these years, you'd think what the Celtics have done integrating their rooks is impossible; but then I remember the Cavs defense has a knack of making other teams look much better than they are.

It's certainly a nice object lesson for Beilein to be able to show tape of how the Celtics are executing .vs. how we are, but it's worrisome that we don't even seem to be trying to run stuff like the C's used to get their guys open.

So, yeah, I imagine if Cedi was on the Celtics he'd look a lot better than he does on the Cavs. Fingers crossed we can get there eventually.

Altman really needs to do a bit more this season than trade $$$ for picks. He needs to start getting people on the roster who can execute what Beilein wants.

don't forget the only 4 year college player we drafted hasn't played in the preseason and the Grant Williams ,Carson Edwards crew both spent 3 seasons in college and Waters played 2 where as their one and done in Romeo hardly saw the court in either game if at all.
The Cavs look like they should look...young

That works for Garland, and Porter Jr, but Sexton has a year in the NBA (which is a lot of games compared to NCAA), Bolden, and Wade both played a lot of College ball, while Martin, Osman, Clarkson, Nance Jr, Love, Thornwell, and Delly are all vets.

We had some guys sitting out, sure, but the Celtics sat every starter.

So... whatever it is Brad had his bench bunch playing like they knew what they were doing; but alas, that's generally how everyone has looked when playing against us last year.

Maybe JB (either of them) has some magic pixie dust ... or a whole lot of patience, but generally speaking when a team plays like this - it has to be either rebuilt with guys who know how to play or taught how to play. When Mike Brown went through this (and he only focused on the defense) it took nearly 2 seasons before things started to click.

Too bad we wasted last year or we might be well on our way.

I don't know why you say wasted a year...we had vets to get rid of that were expecting to be traded and we have players this year the same way but most are potentially retained due to being younger like JC TT etc even though there is little chance this org pays them what they want and they leave.
I'm not concerned about it at all considering the reg season hasn't even started yet. They did not address the defensive issues this offseason and knew full well it would be a struggle all season with 3 rookies getting lots of minutes along with a score first 2nd year guard who has still been working on his offense more than defense clearly this offseason as part of the orgs plan. It will come in time on the defensive end for Sexton but I would not be surprised if it doesn't show much this season at all as it is clearly not the orgs priority for him or the team.
Cavs young back court needs to learn how to play together under a new coach for everyone on the roster and the expectations should not be above full tank again even though Love's presence should get them some wins

[JonFromVA]

don't forget the only 4 year college player we drafted hasn't played in the preseason and the Grant Williams ,Carson Edwards crew both spent 3 seasons in college and Waters played 2 where as their one and done in Romeo hardly saw the court in either game if at all.
The Cavs look like they should look...young

That works for Garland, and Porter Jr, but Sexton has a year in the NBA (which is a lot of games compared to NCAA), Bolden, and Wade both played a lot of College ball, while Martin, Osman, Clarkson, Nance Jr, Love, Thornwell, and Delly are all vets.

We had some guys sitting out, sure, but the Celtics sat every starter.

So... whatever it is Brad had his bench bunch playing like they knew what they were doing; but alas, that's generally how everyone has looked when playing against us last year.

Maybe JB (either of them) has some magic pixie dust ... or a whole lot of patience, but generally speaking when a team plays like this - it has to be either rebuilt with guys who know how to play or taught how to play. When Mike Brown went through this (and he only focused on the defense) it took nearly 2 seasons before things started to click.

Too bad we wasted last year or we might be well on our way.

I don't know why you say wasted a year...we had vets to get rid of that were expecting to be traded and we have players this year the same way but most are potentially retained due to being younger like JC TT etc even though there is little chance this org pays them what they want and they leave.
I'm not concerned about it at all considering the reg season hasn't even started yet. They did not address the defensive issues this offseason and knew full well it would be a struggle all season with 3 rookies getting lots of minutes along with a score first 2nd year guard who has still been working on his offense more than defense clearly this offseason as part of the orgs plan. It will come in time on the defensive end for Sexton but I would not be surprised if it doesn't show much this season at all as it is clearly not the orgs priority for him or the team.
Cavs young back court needs to learn how to play together under a new coach for everyone on the roster and the expectations should not be above full tank again even though Love's presence should get them some wins

We wasted last year because the guys still on the roster weren't taught to do anything in terms of offensive or defensive systems. So the clock basically starts now.

Beilein made a great point about why Boston's kiddie core looked so good. He said they'd all been playing together since Summer league whereas Boldin is the only Cav to get any sort kick start. Windler too but obviously he hasn't been able to play.

He also admitted Kevin was going to play more, but the training staff shut him down for reasons he didn't know as of post game

[Stillwater]

That works for Garland, and Porter Jr, but Sexton has a year in the NBA (which is a lot of games compared to NCAA), Bolden, and Wade both played a lot of College ball, while Martin, Osman, Clarkson, Nance Jr, Love, Thornwell, and Delly are all vets.

We had some guys sitting out, sure, but the Celtics sat every starter.

So... whatever it is Brad had his bench bunch playing like they knew what they were doing; but alas, that's generally how everyone has looked when playing against us last year.

Maybe JB (either of them) has some magic pixie dust ... or a whole lot of patience, but generally speaking when a team plays like this - it has to be either rebuilt with guys who know how to play or taught how to play. When Mike Brown went through this (and he only focused on the defense) it took nearly 2 seasons before things started to click.

Too bad we wasted last year or we might be well on our way.

I don't know why you say wasted a year...we had vets to get rid of that were expecting to be traded and we have players this year the same way but most are potentially retained due to being younger like JC TT etc even though there is little chance this org pays them what they want and they leave.
I'm not concerned about it at all considering the reg season hasn't even started yet. They did not address the defensive issues this offseason and knew full well it would be a struggle all season with 3 rookies getting lots of minutes along with a score first 2nd year guard who has still been working on his offense more than defense clearly this offseason as part of the orgs plan. It will come in time on the defensive end for Sexton but I would not be surprised if it doesn't show much this season at all as it is clearly not the orgs priority for him or the team.
Cavs young back court needs to learn how to play together under a new coach for everyone on the roster and the expectations should not be above full tank again even though Love's presence should get them some wins

We wasted last year because the guys still on the roster weren't taught to do anything in terms of offensive or defensive systems. So the clock basically starts now.

Beilein made a great point about why Boston's kiddie core looked so good. He said they'd all been playing together since Summer league whereas Boldin is the only Cav to get any sort kick start. Windler too but obviously he hasn't been able to play.

He also admitted Kevin was going to play more, but the training staff shut him down for reasons he didn't know as of post game

whenever you hire a coach and have as many new young players it will continue the process of rebuilding and seem like a reset but so what? Sexton improved dramatically as the season went on and those minutes were highly valuable
I dont agree that he didnt learn anything thats absurd.
Boston drafted proven college level specialists to fit their core and those specialists are near their respective ceilings already. Edwards for example can easily light you up when you give him. any daylight... but he also had many many inefficient chucking games in college hence the label of microwave 2bd round pick.
Grant Williams is one of the top defensive prospects in decades, Boston also has a great eye for finding gritty end of the bench types etc.

[JonFromVA]

I don't know why you say wasted a year...we had vets to get rid of that were expecting to be traded and we have players this year the same way but most are potentially retained due to being younger like JC TT etc even though there is little chance this org pays them what they want and they leave.
I'm not concerned about it at all considering the reg season hasn't even started yet. They did not address the defensive issues this offseason and knew full well it would be a struggle all season with 3 rookies getting lots of minutes along with a score first 2nd year guard who has still been working on his offense more than defense clearly this offseason as part of the orgs plan. It will come in time on the defensive end for Sexton but I would not be surprised if it doesn't show much this season at all as it is clearly not the orgs priority for him or the team.
Cavs young back court needs to learn how to play together under a new coach for everyone on the roster and the expectations should not be above full tank again even though Love's presence should get them some wins

We wasted last year because the guys still on the roster weren't taught to do anything in terms of offensive or defensive systems. So the clock basically starts now.

Beilein made a great point about why Boston's kiddie core looked so good. He said they'd all been playing together since Summer league whereas Boldin is the only Cav to get any sort kick start. Windler too but obviously he hasn't been able to play.

He also admitted Kevin was going to play more, but the training staff shut him down for reasons he didn't know as of post game

whenever you hire a coach and have as many new young players it will continue the process of rebuilding and seem like a reset but so what? Sexton improved dramatically as the season went on and those minutes were highly valuable
I dont agree that he didnt learn anything thats absurd.
Boston drafted proven college level specialists to fit their core and those specialists are near their respective ceilings already. Edwards for example can easily light you up when you give him. any daylight... but he also had many many inefficient chucking games in college hence the label of microwave 2bd round pick.
Grant Williams is one of the top defensive prospects in decades, Boston also has a great eye for finding gritty end of the bench types etc.

Please stay on point. I didn't say Sexton didn't learn anything, I said we wasted a year in terms of teaching our guys how to play within offensive/defensive systems.

Obviously turning over the coaching staff isn't helpful in that respect, but there's very little for Beilein to build on. I'm not even talking about Sexton here either, but Kevin, Tristan, Cedi, Larry, Jordan, Delly, etc. Those guys have played together enough ... there would be something to build on, if something was ever built to begin with.

We played all those guys (except Tristan) against the Celtic's Summer League team and got thrashed outside of Kevin's early shooting.

[Stillwater]

We wasted last year because the guys still on the roster weren't taught to do anything in terms of offensive or defensive systems. So the clock basically starts now.

Beilein made a great point about why Boston's kiddie core looked so good. He said they'd all been playing together since Summer league whereas Boldin is the only Cav to get any sort kick start. Windler too but obviously he hasn't been able to play.

He also admitted Kevin was going to play more, but the training staff shut him down for reasons he didn't know as of post game

whenever you hire a coach and have as many new young players it will continue the process of rebuilding and seem like a reset but so what? Sexton improved dramatically as the season went on and those minutes were highly valuable
I dont agree that he didnt learn anything thats absurd.
Boston drafted proven college level specialists to fit their core and those specialists are near their respective ceilings already. Edwards for example can easily light you up when you give him. any daylight... but he also had many many inefficient chucking games in college hence the label of microwave 2bd round pick.
Grant Williams is one of the top defensive prospects in decades, Boston also has a great eye for finding gritty end of the bench types etc.

Please stay on point. I didn't say Sexton didn't learn anything, I said we wasted a year in terms of teaching our guys how to play within offensive/defensive systems.

Obviously turning over the coaching staff isn't helpful in that respect, but there's very little for Beilein to build on. I'm not even talking about Sexton here either, but Kevin, Tristan, Cedi, Larry, Jordan, Delly, etc. Those guys have played together enough ... there would be something to build on, if something was ever built to begin with.

We played all those guys (except Tristan) against the Celtic's Summer League team and got thrashed outside of Kevin's early shooting.

ok having a new coach always means the system is different and so I guess if they could have gotten Beilein a season ago maybe it would have been better now etc , but overall there is nothing off the main timeline given most of the expiring's will not be returning and so having them playing in a system they don't like or are not good fits for, for 2 seasons instead of 1 would have lowered their trade value more than 1/2 a season...I mean in some cases it could be small changes to their game will work but for this roster and it's disfunction overall it will be sweeping changes for most vets and requirements that most of them have not begun to adjust to. Add 3+ rookies to the mix and it should come as no surprise this rebuild is still early I don't really think it matters they had no instruction on the current system last season at all.

[JonFromVA]

whenever you hire a coach and have as many new young players it will continue the process of rebuilding and seem like a reset but so what? Sexton improved dramatically as the season went on and those minutes were highly valuable
I dont agree that he didnt learn anything thats absurd.
Boston drafted proven college level specialists to fit their core and those specialists are near their respective ceilings already. Edwards for example can easily light you up when you give him. any daylight... but he also had many many inefficient chucking games in college hence the label of microwave 2bd round pick.
Grant Williams is one of the top defensive prospects in decades, Boston also has a great eye for finding gritty end of the bench types etc.

Please stay on point. I didn't say Sexton didn't learn anything, I said we wasted a year in terms of teaching our guys how to play within offensive/defensive systems.

Obviously turning over the coaching staff isn't helpful in that respect, but there's very little for Beilein to build on. I'm not even talking about Sexton here either, but Kevin, Tristan, Cedi, Larry, Jordan, Delly, etc. Those guys have played together enough ... there would be something to build on, if something was ever built to begin with.

We played all those guys (except Tristan) against the Celtic's Summer League team and got thrashed outside of Kevin's early shooting.

ok having a new coach always means the system is different and so I guess if they could have gotten Beilein a season ago maybe it would have been better now etc , but overall there is nothing off the main timeline given most of the expiring's will not be returning and so having them playing in a system they don't like or are not good fits for, for 2 seasons instead of 1 would have lowered their trade value more than 1/2 a season...I mean in some cases it could be small changes to their game will work but for this roster and it's disfunction overall it will be sweeping changes for most vets and requirements that most of them have not begun to adjust to. Add 3+ rookies to the mix and it should come as no surprise this rebuild is still early I don't really think it matters they had no instruction on the current system last season at all.

We can agree to disagree rather than pummel this tangent in to the ground.

[Stillwater]

Please stay on point. I didn't say Sexton didn't learn anything, I said we wasted a year in terms of teaching our guys how to play within offensive/defensive systems.

Obviously turning over the coaching staff isn't helpful in that respect, but there's very little for Beilein to build on. I'm not even talking about Sexton here either, but Kevin, Tristan, Cedi, Larry, Jordan, Delly, etc. Those guys have played together enough ... there would be something to build on, if something was ever built to begin with.

We played all those guys (except Tristan) against the Celtic's Summer League team and got thrashed outside of Kevin's early shooting.

ok having a new coach always means the system is different and so I guess if they could have gotten Beilein a season ago maybe it would have been better now etc , but overall there is nothing off the main timeline given most of the expiring's will not be returning and so having them playing in a system they don't like or are not good fits for, for 2 seasons instead of 1 would have lowered their trade value more than 1/2 a season...I mean in some cases it could be small changes to their game will work but for this roster and it's disfunction overall it will be sweeping changes for most vets and requirements that most of them have not begun to adjust to. Add 3+ rookies to the mix and it should come as no surprise this rebuild is still early I don't really think it matters they had no instruction on the current system last season at all.

We can agree to disagree rather than pummel this tangent in to the ground.

All I know is this roster won't look anything like it does next summer and say the same about time lost whatever they are doing before the reg season again. more players will have a year under the current coach but there will be at minimum 2-3 more rookies added and who knows how many vets imported from trades all of which will have to learn the system that is not typical

[JonFromVA]

ok having a new coach always means the system is different and so I guess if they could have gotten Beilein a season ago maybe it would have been better now etc , but overall there is nothing off the main timeline given most of the expiring's will not be returning and so having them playing in a system they don't like or are not good fits for, for 2 seasons instead of 1 would have lowered their trade value more than 1/2 a season...I mean in some cases it could be small changes to their game will work but for this roster and it's disfunction overall it will be sweeping changes for most vets and requirements that most of them have not begun to adjust to. Add 3+ rookies to the mix and it should come as no surprise this rebuild is still early I don't really think it matters they had no instruction on the current system last season at all.

We can agree to disagree rather than pummel this tangent in to the ground.

All I know is this roster won't look anything like it does next summer and say the same about time lost whatever they are doing before the reg season again. more players will have a year under the current coach but there will be at minimum 2-3 more rookies added and who knows how many vets imported from trades all of which will have to learn the system that is not typical

I know the board is near dead, but I think there's better things we could be talking about than just pounding this point. Suffice it to say I still disagree.

[Stillwater]

preseason is over ...

[JonFromVA]

Here's an article about Collin talking about trying to learn the new offense:

https://cavaliersnation.com/2019/10/17/collin-sexton-admits-john-beileins-offense-hard-grasp/

Looks like he's trying to be a leader and prepping the team for the long haul of working through the growing pains until things start to click and the stuff in the system that won't work or don't fit are ironed out.

[JonFromVA]

And Zizic reportedly has Plantar Fasciitis, and is expected to miss 4 weeks.

[Stillwater]

And Zizic reportedly has Plantar Fasciitis, and is expected to miss 4 weeks.

probably from Beilein running him to death

[jbk1234]

And Zizic reportedly has Plantar Fasciitis, and is expected to miss 4 weeks.

probably from Beilein running him to death

Byron Scott use to run players to death. I haven't heard that same thing about Beilein. The truth is that large seven-footers are susceptible to foot problems. It's why the Jazz never asked Gorbert to bulk up.

Honestly, if you're a professional basketball player, you should be taking steps to be in really good shape before the first day of training camp - especially if you're on a bad team whose season didn't extend into May and June. Your paid millions of dollars and get more of an off-season than teachers. The least you can do is spend half of August and early September getting your rear end in really good shape. That as much as anything has annoyed me about this pre-season.