Bucks News, Trades, Transactions - CP3/Gallo trade idea pg.81

[Coach Carter]

Bledsoe for Jrue Holiday though i think they'd play hardball, thus it will look something like this:

Bucks: Jrue
Pelicans: Bledsoe, DJ, DDV + 1st x 2

Holiday gets brought up a lot around here. I havent see him play much. Looking at his stats, he looks almost identical to Bledsoe except more assists. So honest question here: what makes him that much more valuable than Bledsoe?

Unlike Bledsoe, he has been pretty good in the playoffs and our defense won't regress. That's good enough for me. As you mentioned, more assists. It's an upgrade.

[Chuck Diesel]

Would be so curious to know what Bledsoe’s value actually is around the league. Shame Ernie Grunfeld finally got axed, he’d be a prime candidate to give up way too much for him.

[Finn]

Dear Horst,

Please Trade for Gary Harris.

sincerely,

Thirsty for a Chip Bucks Fan

Enjoy!

[Dandridgefav]

Jrue is not off to a great start - dome think he's starting to slip. He has had a ot injuries over the years. Jrue stronger on O and decent on D but Bled was 1st team D.

[leroyjw10]

A healthy Paul playing within himself could be a nice calming/steadying force, but not on that contract.

I totally get the disgust in Paul's contract. It's obscene and extremely difficult to trade for, logistically. But come playoff time, this team needs a steadying force in the backcourt. Hill was that last year, but Paul would be an even better version of it.

I don't trust Middleton or Bledsoe at all come playoff time. Understanding Paul's past, I could see him seeing the Bucks as his last chance for a championship, to cement his legacy as one of the all-time great PGs. I think he'd be on his best behavior and provide Giannis with the sidekick he deserves.

[M-C-G]

Chris Paul is a cancer guys. Doesn't mean he isn't a HOF, it means he is a giant douche that has been a douche and bad for the locker room every where he has been. On top of that he misses about 25% of the season and gets paid an average of 41M over his 34, 35, 36 ages.

[leroyjw10]

Jrue is not off to a great start - dome think he's starting to slip. He has had a ot injuries over the years. Jrue stronger on O and decent on D but Bled was 1st team D.

Jrue's more than "decent" on D. He was second-team All D last year and first team the year before that. Given Jrue's bigger frame, I'd call their defensive contributions a wash. On offense, Jrue has historically been the better scorer, shooter and passer, especially come playoff time, where Jrue has 45/39/81 splits compared to Bledsoe's 45/26/69 splits in similar volume.

Most importantly, Jrue's BBIQ is significantly higher than Bledsoe's. Bledsoe just makes too many stupid mistakes that Jrue wouldn't.

[DingleJerry]

I can get behind Jrue for sure. 3/77ish on his contract now, so only 2 years left after this. I just think he's one tick above Bledsoe overall as a player. It seems they at least want to be competitive down there though and not have a tankfest creating a bad environment for their new star. But we'll see how that looks on Jan 15th when they're 7 games out of the playoffs.

Bledsoe/Ersan lines up pretty well to make this work. These teams worked together last year on the Mirotic deal. NO would be saving about 10 mil per year the next 2 years. Bledsoe isn't drastically worse than Jrue, so I wonder how much more we'd have to kick in to it. If they wanted they'd probably be able to move Ersan immediately for a 2nd round pick.

[leroyjw10]

I can get behind Jrue for sure. 3/77ish on his contract now, so only 2 years left after this. I just think he's one tick above Bledsoe overall as a player. It seems they at least want to be competitive down there though and not have a tankfest creating a bad environment for their new star. But we'll see how that looks on Jan 15th when they're 7 games out of the playoffs.

Bledsoe/Ersan lines up pretty well to make this work. These teams worked together last year on the Mirotic deal. NO would be saving about 10 mil per year the next 2 years. Bledsoe isn't drastically worse than Jrue, so I wonder how much more we'd have to kick in to it. If they wanted they'd probably be able to move Ersan immediately for a 2nd round pick.

I seem to remember rumors of the Bucks trying to get Holiday included in the Mirotic package, so it seems the Bucks have interest.

And if I'm the Pelicans, there's no rush to win now, especially given Zion's injury. Lose some games, get some additional picks, build for the long-term. I can't see Jrue being in the long-term plans given the youth almost everywhere else on that roster.

[Chapter29]

Chris Paul is a cancer guys. Doesn't mean he isn't a HOF, it means he is a giant douche that has been a douche and bad for the locker room every where he has been. On top of that he misses about 25% of the season and gets paid an average of 41M over his 34, 35, 36 ages.

This.

[PG Graveyard]

I could be sold on Jrue Holiday. Although he has been worse than Bledsoe to start the year and has had a myriad of injury issues over the years. He is no more than a slight upgrade though in my opinion. Probably shows up more come playoff time than the regular season.

Another outside the box guy is Oladipo.....Not sure what it would take, but the Pacers may need to move him if they continue to stumble.

[Ron Swanson]

Zero chance the Pacers look to move Dipo unless he just looks completely broken after the injury, and if that happens I don't know why you'd move assets for him anyways. Problem with a lot of these Bledsoe trades is that the seller teams are looking for young assets and draft picks, not a 29-year old starting PG, even if he is a quality player on a fair deal. I could see a move for Holiday making sense, even though I think he's always been overrated in analytics circles. He's not a great deep shooter though, so that doesn't address the fundamental flaw in Bledsoe's game come playoff time.

Still think the Magic are a good target in a 3-team deal that would net you Augustin and a talent upgrade on the wing from someone else (Gallanari?). But that's pretty much my "Bledsoe looks mentally broken and I have zero faith in him come playoff time" panic trade.

[SupremeHustle]

Dear Horst,

Please Trade for Gary Harris.

sincerely,

Thirsty for a Chip Bucks Fan

I thought he'd be much better in the NBA but he'd still be our best SG probably.

[Bucksfan28]

If CP3 had issues with Harden, i cant imagine he would enjoy watching our half-court sets begin with Giannis staring down a wall of defenders from top of the key.

[TroyD92]

A healthy Paul playing within himself could be a nice calming/steadying force, but not on that contract.

I totally get the disgust in Paul's contract. It's obscene and extremely difficult to trade for, logistically. But come playoff time, this team needs a steadying force in the backcourt. Hill was that last year, but Paul would be an even better version of it.

I don't trust Middleton or Bledsoe at all come playoff time. Understanding Paul's past, I could see him seeing the Bucks as his last chance for a championship, to cement his legacy as one of the all-time great PGs. I think he'd be on his best behavior and provide Giannis with the sidekick he deserves.

Paul is a choke artist.

[leroyjw10]

A healthy Paul playing within himself could be a nice calming/steadying force, but not on that contract.

I totally get the disgust in Paul's contract. It's obscene and extremely difficult to trade for, logistically. But come playoff time, this team needs a steadying force in the backcourt. Hill was that last year, but Paul would be an even better version of it.

I don't trust Middleton or Bledsoe at all come playoff time. Understanding Paul's past, I could see him seeing the Bucks as his last chance for a championship, to cement his legacy as one of the all-time great PGs. I think he'd be on his best behavior and provide Giannis with the sidekick he deserves.

Paul is a choke artist.

How exactly? Paul's career regular-season numbers are roughly 19 and 10 on 47/37/87 splits in the regular season. His career playoff numbers are roughly 21 and 9 on 48/37/85 splits. Seems to me he's been just as good in the playoffs, if not better, throughout his career.

[slos]

Here is a trade with both Holiday and Paul

New Orleans in: Paul, Wilson, DDV, 2020 IND FRP, 2021 MIA FRP, 2024 MIL FRP (lottery protected)
New Orleans out: Holiday, Moore

Pelicans replace Jrue with Paul to mentor their young guys, who is also on a three year contract. Well it costs 45 mil more and Holiday is the better player at this point, but they get compensated with three (mid-low) FRPs and two more young players.

Oklahoma in: Moore, Hill, R. Lopez, Ilyasova
Oklahoma out: Paul, 2021 MIA FRP

Thunder get out of Paul's contract using only one FRP, which they will be able to take back using the expirings they get.

Bucks in: Holiday
Bucks out: Hill, Ilyasova, R. Lopez, Wilson, DDV, 2020 IND FRP, 2024 FRP (lottery protected)

Bucks add Holiday without losing Bledsoe. They will be at 129,1 mil with 11 players after this trade, which leaves them just enough money to fill the roster with buyout players and avoid the tax.

Bledsoe
Holiday..........Matthews..........Brown
Middleton.......Connaugton.......Korver
Giannis..........Thanasis
Lopez............Bender

[soxperry]

Here is a trade with both Holiday and Paul

New Orleans in: Paul, Wilson, DDV, 2020 IND FRP, 2021 MIA FRP, 2024 MIL FRP (lottery protected)
New Orleans out: Holiday, Moore

Pelicans replace Jrue with Paul to mentor their young guys, who is also on a three year contract. Well it costs 45 mil more and Holiday is the better player at this point, but they get compensated with three (mid-low) FRPs and two more young players.

Oklahoma in: Moore, Hill, R. Lopez, Ilyasova
Oklahoma out: Paul, 2021 MIA FRP

Thunder get out of Paul's contract using only one FRP, which they will be able to take back using the expirings they get.

Bucks in: Holiday
Bucks out: Hill, Ilyasova, R. Lopez, Wilson, DDV, 2020 IND FRP, 2024 FRP (lottery protected)

Bucks add Holiday without losing Bledsoe. They will be at 129,1 mil with 11 players after this trade, which leaves them just enough money to fill the roster with buyout players and avoid the tax.

Bledsoe
Holiday..........Matthews..........Brown
Middleton.......Connaugton.......Korver
Giannis..........Thanasis
Lopez............Bender

Thats a terrible trade for us. Hill is a perfect fit for our offense and we are in peak win now mode.

Also, Bledsoe and Holiday (and their low 3pt shooting) on the court at the same time would ensure that Giannis gets triple teamed every time.

Lastly, thats basically all of our assets (plus two important vets) for the next four years in one trade for a guy with suspect durability.

Good try, no thanks.

Any Holiday trade starts with Milwaukee Out: Bledsoe

[Chuck Diesel]

Think Robin & Wilson to Memphis for Jae Crowder makes us a little bit better this season. Roll with Ersan as the full time backup center. See if Bender can give us anything.

Hill
Connaughton/Donte
Korver/Brown
Crowder
Ersan/Bender

Pretty solid bench.

[slos]

Here is a trade with both Holiday and Paul

New Orleans in: Paul, Wilson, DDV, 2020 IND FRP, 2021 MIA FRP, 2024 MIL FRP (lottery protected)
New Orleans out: Holiday, Moore

Pelicans replace Jrue with Paul to mentor their young guys, who is also on a three year contract. Well it costs 45 mil more and Holiday is the better player at this point, but they get compensated with three (mid-low) FRPs and two more young players.

Oklahoma in: Moore, Hill, R. Lopez, Ilyasova
Oklahoma out: Paul, 2021 MIA FRP

Thunder get out of Paul's contract using only one FRP, which they will be able to take back using the expirings they get.

Bucks in: Holiday
Bucks out: Hill, Ilyasova, R. Lopez, Wilson, DDV, 2020 IND FRP, 2024 FRP (lottery protected)

Bucks add Holiday without losing Bledsoe. They will be at 129,1 mil with 11 players after this trade, which leaves them just enough money to fill the roster with buyout players and avoid the tax.

Bledsoe
Holiday..........Matthews..........Brown
Middleton.......Connaugton.......Korver
Giannis..........Thanasis
Lopez............Bender

Thats a terrible trade for us. Hill is a perfect fit for our offense and we are in peak win now mode.

Also, Bledsoe and Holiday (and their low 3pt shooting) on the court at the same time would ensure that Giannis gets triple teamed every time.

Lastly, thats basically all of our assets (plus two important vets) for the next four years in one trade for a guy with suspect durability.

Good try, no thanks.

Any Holiday trade starts with Milwaukee Out: Bledsoe

Well Hill has career shooting 37.9% and Holiday 35.4% which means that Bucks don't lose that much there.

Also Bledsoe and Holiday can share the PG at all times, which can allow Giannis play almost half his minutes with only one of them on the court.

Lastly you end up replacing a very good player (Brogdon) with an all star (Holiday) and still have good backup wings. The trade proposed leaves Bucks thin in the paint, but this can be fixed with buyout bigs.