This Lakers roster is extrememly unimpressive

DirtyDez · Post #21 » by **DirtyDez** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 4:53 am

Dr Aki wrote:

1/8 upset if the playoffs started today. :wink:

Post #22 » by **zimpy27** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 4:54 am

They were going to land Kawhi until the last minute apparently. They had to take what was left because of the position Kawhi put them in by dragging them along.

I think they did well for that. If they manage to make a deep playoff run then that would be amazing.

homecourtloss · Post #23 » by **homecourtloss** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 4:57 am

LipSkinMatter wrote:
HoopsterJones wrote:The Lakers are 4-1 without Kuzma and Rondo.

Getting Rondo back isn't going to help. Their defense is good right now, no need to add a trash defender to the mix.

Exactly. Since 2012, no team Rondo has been on has been better with him on court than off AND, he’s been a negative on court every year except for 2018 when he was +.8 per 100 possessions.
Horrible defender, horrible shooter, declined athleticism, not a transition threat, ball stopper on offense.

Kuzma improving might help, but who knows if he will.

Post #24 » by **infinite11285** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 4:57 am

Dr Aki wrote:

Highest point differential in the league too (thus far), while missing 2 rotational players.

seorang · Post #25 » by **seorang** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 5:01 am

HoopsterJones wrote:The Lakers are 4-1 without Kuzma and Rondo.

They dont matter, its all about Lebron and AD.

Don Ford · Post #26 » by **Don Ford** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 5:03 am

Pharmcat wrote:Color me unimpressed with this team, outside of LeBron
and AD they have no one who can create their own shot , are a bunch of has beens living off their names, and/or connection to klutch sports.

They should have split their 30 million in cap between Morris /lamb/delon wright to have a competent starting 5. But currently as constructed AD and LeBron have to carry this team in regular season and by the time playoffs come they will be burned out and bounced in first round when teams gameplan against those 2 and make the other scrubs try to beat them.

if only they would have signed Melo they would have been ok

Pharmcat wrote:Lakers need Carmelo to save their season

therealbig3 · Post #27 » by **therealbig3** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 5:07 am

I disagree. I like their squad a lot.

LeBron and AD are a match made in heaven. Eventually, Vogel will figure out that AD isos in the post doesn't make a lot of sense, and that the LeBron/AD PnR is unstoppable.

They just need to figure out their shooting. Green is obviously a lights out shooter. If Bradley/KCP/Caruso/Kuzma/Daniels can shoot like 35% or better as a unit from 3 in addition to what Green gives you...that's pretty much impossible to defend. And Howard has been a really high impact defensive big for them. McGee is awful and should be benched though.

The issue is that they're going to give a guy like Rondo minutes just because of him being Rondo, when in reality, he's a terrible shooter who needs the ball in his hands, and he's gonna end up making them worse by taking Caruso's minutes.

GYK · Post #28 » by **GYK** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 5:08 am

defensively they can be amazing. like they can be all time any possession special.
offensively...eh. they have Lebron and AD(who I'm leading the charge in saying he's holding himself and the team back. pick pop/roll AD is the league MVP. wing iso AD is just an All-Star). Howard/MCGee are also playing great on both ends, help controlling the pace hard rolls and dump offs. of course Green/Bradley(Green really) have been helpful.
Kyle and Rondo are going to be huge for the offense. Kyle is a great fastbreak player. he runs the floor. size/athletic ability to finish. some shooting. Rondo can run the break as well but more importantly he's a pnr ball handler. a much more center suited one than Lebron, who is best seeing all options including his number when running the pick and roll. Rondo on the other hand is a real point he won't pick up the dribble until the pass he wants appears not so much the an option becomes available like pick and roll wings. this will help Davis/Howard/McGee and thus more spot up shooting since the roll is more of a threat.
KCP with his contract has to get traded for a valuable player. someone helpful is around that 8-9 million mark. KCP/2nd round picks.

Hobo4President · Post #29 » by **Hobo4President** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 5:08 am

homecourtloss wrote:
LipSkinMatter wrote:
HoopsterJones wrote:The Lakers are 4-1 without Kuzma and Rondo.

Getting Rondo back isn't going to help. Their defense is good right now, no need to add a trash defender to the mix.

Exactly. Since 2012, no team Rondo has been on has been better with him on court than off AND, he’s been a negative on court every year except for 2018 when he was +.8 per 100 possessions.
Horrible defender, horrible shooter, declined athleticism, not a transition threat, ball stopper on offense.

Kuzma improving might help, but who knows if he will.

Rondo should be in China tbh

Dupp · Post #30 » by **Dupp** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 5:14 am

McDouble wrote:
Dupp wrote:A lot of the role players are poo. they need some more moves. Dwights been very impressive, i like caruso. Green, lebron and AD obviously good.

kcp, ab, magee suck. Rondo will be brutal for that team when he comes back. They need kuzma to be decent.

But yeah you cant trust a lot of these guys come playoffs. howd all these bums get player options?

Strongly disagree with lumping Bradley with KCP and McGee. Bradley has been a bright spot for the Lakers defense and im happy as a Laker fan with that signing.

Yeah I guess he’s ok. Very annoying to watch offensively. He’s kinda a bone head on that end.

Dupp · Post #31 » by **Dupp** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 5:15 am

Has anyone ever skated on rep more than rondo? He’s been a negative for most of the decade. 2 good playoff games for the bulls and one good series for the pels and people still talk as if he can be prime rondo.

JellosJigglin · Post #32 » by **JellosJigglin** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 5:17 am

This is the negative of nationally televised games. People make so many assumptions about the teams based on one game and ignore every game before and after. Personally I'm just happy that my team can play like trash and still come out with wins. It's been damn near 10 years since that was the case.

LAvision · Post #33 » by **LAvision** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 5:18 am

Their defense is good enough to make a deep playoff run. Vogel has done well.

Clemenza · Post #34 » by **Clemenza** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 5:19 am

They both balled out tonight- great game but yeah they're going to need some help roster wise along with some load management. There's alot riding on their shoulders as of right now. They could be out of gas come April

An Unbiased Fan · Post #35 » by **An Unbiased Fan** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 5:19 am

So Dwight hasn't been impressive on defense? Green hasn't been impressive shooting 50% from 3, and playing great D?

Spice Melange · Post #36 » by **Spice Melange** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 5:22 am

Dupp wrote:
McDouble wrote:
Dupp wrote:A lot of the role players are poo. they need some more moves. Dwights been very impressive, i like caruso. Green, lebron and AD obviously good.

kcp, ab, magee suck. Rondo will be brutal for that team when he comes back. They need kuzma to be decent.

But yeah you cant trust a lot of these guys come playoffs. howd all these bums get player options?

Strongly disagree with lumping Bradley with KCP and McGee. Bradley has been a bright spot for the Lakers defense and im happy as a Laker fan with that signing.

Yeah I guess he’s ok. Very annoying to watch offensively. He’s kinda a bone head on that end.

Luckily lakers have KCP to remind us that the rest of our players aren’t THAT bad. He’s the most frustrating player because he gets significant minutes. Any minutes added to another player should be removed from KCP.

JB2 · Post #37 » by **JB2** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 5:25 am

This is a team built very well built for the playoffs... tough, physical, savvy, high IQ, defensive. When things slow down and every possession counts, it's going to be tough to beat them.

I do agree that getting some young legs like the guys you mentioned would help over Rondo, Daniels, and KCP. Then again, Rondo, if used in sporadic mins, might me a nice option at times. KCP has been trash. If Iggy is signed and in the post season, really the only team who poses major issues is the Clippers.

LBC SoCal · Post #38 » by **LBC SoCal** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 5:43 am

Clemenza wrote:They both balled out tonight- great game but yeah they're going to need some help roster wise along with some load management. There's alot riding on their shoulders as of right now. They could be out of gas come April

I agree. I hope we limit Lebrons minutes, even if it means Lakers sacrifice a few wins in the season. No need to aim for the best record if it means showing up to the playoffs exhausted and injured. Hope we get Iggy.

Lilseb93 · Post #39 » by **Lilseb93** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 5:48 am

My concern is 82 games in. LeBron and AD are shouldering a lot of the load right now. They are capable of doing that all season, but eventually it's going to catch up to them. But they are going to be really tough in the playoffs if they are healthy and ready to go.

Post #40 » by **zimpy27** » Sat Nov 2, 2019 5:57 am

Playoff rotation will look something like this at this stage:
Bradley, Green, LeBron, AD, Howard
Caruso, KCP, Green/LeBron, Kuzma, AD
Bradley, KCP, LeBron, Kuzma/AD, Howard
Caruso, Green, LeBron, Kuzma, AD

It's up to Rondo, McGee, Daniels, Cook, Dudley to crack into that list. Probably in order of best to worst chance right now.