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Re: Welcome Matisse Thybulle! 

Post#321 » by ankle420breaker » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:19 pm

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SexDrugsPnR wrote:didn't see the last two games. what's up with thybulle's minutes? we're 5-0 in games where he's played 15+ minutes and 0-2 in games where he gets less....

You can't get to 15 minutes if you're committing a foul every 2 minutes. And it doesn't help your cause by bricking multiple layups in close losses.
Exactly. He's struggled mightily on both ends and we're amid digging ourselves out if a slump.

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Post#322 » by ankle420breaker » Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:17 pm

We're apparently 6-1 when Thybulle plays at least 12 minutes.

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Post#323 » by rzzzzz » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:20 pm

ankle420breaker wrote:We're apparently 6-1 when Thybulle plays at least 12 minutes.


we started out great, until everyone figured out how to play us.
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Post#324 » by Philly_3 » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:17 pm

11-1 when he plays more than 12 minutes...c'mon brett
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Post#325 » by Ferry Avenue » Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:23 am

ankle420breaker wrote:We're apparently 6-1 when Thybulle plays at least 12 minutes.

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That could be a function of Brown's feeling more comfortable playing him more extensively when the team has a bigger lead.

In other words, winning causes Thybulle to play more, not the other way around.
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Post#326 » by Chris76 » Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:44 am

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ankle420breaker wrote:We're apparently 6-1 when Thybulle plays at least 12 minutes.

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That could be a function of Brown's feeling more comfortable playing him more extensively when the team has a bigger lead.

In other words, winning causes Thybulle to play more, not the other way around.


Good point with Thybulle getting more time to protect a lead. Thybulle for defense and Korkmaz for offense.

Furthermore, both have potential to grow into good two way players with more experience.
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Post#327 » by Embiid P » Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:00 pm

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ankle420breaker wrote:We're apparently 6-1 when Thybulle plays at least 12 minutes.

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That could be a function of Brown's feeling more comfortable playing him more extensively when the team has a bigger lead.

In other words, winning causes Thybulle to play more, not the other way around.


Good point with Thybulle getting more time to protect a lead. Thybulle for defense and Korkmaz for offense.

Furthermore, both have potential to grow into good two way players with more experience.


Good point. I think that Korkmaz will always be limited defensively due to his slender frame and lack of athleticism where as Thybulle has the natural tools needed to be a true defensive stopper. If he can knock down open 3's on a consistent basis, there's no question IMO who the more valuable player is moving forward.
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Post#328 » by SexDrugsPnR » Tue Dec 3, 2019 8:53 am

Philly_3 wrote:11-1 when he plays more than 12 minutes...c'mon brett

14-1 now
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Post#329 » by Eyeamok » Tue Dec 3, 2019 2:59 pm

He hitting his 3 pointers a lot more often too. Defense and shooting too! Keep it up Matisse.

Oh and his defense on Buddy Heild the other night was fantastic. Played him so tight it was a fun defensive match up to watch.
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Post#330 » by Negrodamus » Tue Dec 3, 2019 4:04 pm

I'm not sure he'll ever have the touch around the rim that someone like Harris was showing last night, but if he can get comfortable putting the ball on the floor and attacking the close out (without traveling), he'll be able to produce starter level production on offense, imo. He has underrated vision already and isn't just a statue on the perimeter.
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Post#331 » by Winejk » Tue Dec 3, 2019 6:55 pm

Eyeamok wrote:He hitting his 3 pointers a lot more often too. Defense and shooting too! Keep it up Matisse.

Oh and his defense on Buddy Heild the other night was fantastic. Played him so tight it was a fun defensive match up to watch.


I don't know what the stats say, but Thybulle already looks more important than Shamet. I liked Shamet a lot when he was on the Sixers last year, but Thybulle is hitting threes AND playing defense. Thybulle's defense is so superior to Shamet's and whatever advantage Shamet may have on offense, if any, is negligible.
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Post#332 » by Kobblehead » Tue Dec 3, 2019 7:05 pm

Winejk wrote:I don't know what the stats say, but Thybulle already looks more important than Shamet. I liked Shamet a lot when he was on the Sixers last year, but Thybulle is hitting threes AND playing defense. Thybulle's defense is so superior to Shamet's and whatever advantage Shamet may have on offense, if any, is negligible.


I agree with the meat of your post, but can't get behind the underlined part.

Thybulle is averaging 9.7 ppg per-36. He's a complete production zero. Which is no surprise, he was a career 9.2 ppg player in college.
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Post#333 » by Chris76 » Tue Dec 3, 2019 7:52 pm

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Winejk wrote:I don't know what the stats say, but Thybulle already looks more important than Shamet. I liked Shamet a lot when he was on the Sixers last year, but Thybulle is hitting threes AND playing defense. Thybulle's defense is so superior to Shamet's and whatever advantage Shamet may have on offense, if any, is negligible.


I agree with the meat of your post, but can't get behind the underlined part.

Thybulle is averaging 9.7 ppg per-36. He's a complete production zero. Which is no surprise, he was a career 9.2 ppg player in college.


Thybulle is a good finisher. He easily dunks the ball most of the time. I like Shamet, but Thybulle as a defensive specialist is very valuable.

His production is very good for a rookie. He has a quick release that should get more efficient with more experience.
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Post#334 » by Kobblehead » Tue Dec 3, 2019 8:16 pm

Nah, I'd be willing to guarantee that Thybulle is among the least productive per-minute players in the league playing at least 15 mpg.
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Post#335 » by XtremeDunkz » Tue Dec 3, 2019 9:52 pm

Winejk wrote:
Eyeamok wrote:He hitting his 3 pointers a lot more often too. Defense and shooting too! Keep it up Matisse.

Oh and his defense on Buddy Heild the other night was fantastic. Played him so tight it was a fun defensive match up to watch.


I don't know what the stats say, but Thybulle already looks more important than Shamet. I liked Shamet a lot when he was on the Sixers last year, but Thybulle is hitting threes AND playing defense. Thybulle's defense is so superior to Shamet's and whatever advantage Shamet may have on offense, if any, is negligible.


I wish we could have kept them both. What a strong bench backcourt that would be.
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Post#336 » by BullyKing » Tue Dec 3, 2019 10:32 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Nah, I'd be willing to guarantee that Thybulle is among the least productive per-minute players in the league playing at least 15 mpg.


That's because literally the only metric you consider is PPG
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Post#337 » by Kobblehead » Wed Dec 4, 2019 12:38 am

BullyKing wrote:That's because literally the only metric you consider is PPG

Don't get mad at me for pointing out that Thybulle has been a production zero. Those are pure facts.

Thybulle is already the best perimeter defender in the NBA. That's incredible. But until he learns to produce points, he's going to remain a niche player.
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Post#338 » by BullyKing » Wed Dec 4, 2019 12:45 am

Kobblehead wrote:
BullyKing wrote:That's because literally the only metric you consider is PPG

Don't get mad at me for pointing out that Thybulle has been a production zero. Those are pure facts.

Thybulle is already the best perimeter defender in the NBA. That's incredible. But until he learns to produce points, he's going to remain a niche player.


No one's mad at you. As I've previously said, we just don't view the NBA in the same singular way that you do. I view the point of a basketball game to score more points than your opponent does. I also believe that preventing your opponent from putting the ball through the basket ultimately impacts the game the same amount as putting the ball through the basket yourself. If Thybulle blocks a shot, recovers the ball, and kicks it up court for a transition dunk, you would label that "zero production."

That's not to say he isn't a niche player but that wasn't your argument. Your argument was that he was one of the least productive rotation players in the NBA.
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Post#339 » by Kobblehead » Wed Dec 4, 2019 12:49 am

BullyKing wrote:No one's mad at you. As I've previously said, we just don't view the NBA in the same singular way that you do. I view the point of a basketball game to score more points than your opponent does. I also believe that preventing your opponent from putting the ball through the basket ultimately impacts the game the same amount as putting the ball through the basket yourself. If Thybulle blocks a shot, recovers the ball, and kicks it up court for a transition dunk, you would label that "zero production."

That's not to say he isn't a niche player but that wasn't your argument. Your argument was that he was one of the least productive rotation players in the NBA.

Just because I pointed out the fact that Thybulle is unproductive does not mean that I said he was ineffective. My use of production is directly tied to scoring production. Not whether or not he makes a positive impact when he's on the court.

And the only reason I pointed out how unproductive he is on a per minute basis is to counter someone saying that Shamet was only marginally more effective than him offensively.
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Post#340 » by Kobblehead » Wed Dec 4, 2019 12:53 am

BullyKing wrote:If Thybulle blocks a shot, recovers the ball, and kicks it up court for a transition dunk, you would label that "zero production."

I would label that an incredible and exciting sequence.

What gets him slapped with zero production would be him being out there for 23 minutes and only mustering 3 points.

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