2019-20 NBA Season Discussion

yoyoboy · Post #581 » by **yoyoboy** » Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:12 pm

therealbig3 wrote:So...Westbrook has been really bad this year. I kind of knew him and Harden would be an awful fit, but part of me was hoping they could recapture what they had in OKC before, but they both developed into two super high usage volume scorers since then, and neither one can really adapt. Westbrook is useless off the ball pretty much since he's such a bad shooter, but Harden kind of needs to dominate the ball.

You have one ball and two ball-dominant players...one of them can't shoot, and the other one doesn't do anything off the ball. Recipe for distaster.

Kind of makes what Harden is doing even more impressive. They're 10-3 despite the awful fit.

What's so impressive to me about Harden is that he's able to sustain such a huge offensive load and commit so adamantly to Morey Ball that no matter the circumstances, no matter what seems to be going on around him and how well others are playing, and no matter who comes into the team and who leaves...he's going to give you a top 5 offense. And his style of play allows teammates to rest so much on offense (because really most of them are just standing around waiting to catch and shoot) that they can expend more energy on defense.

Dr Spaceman · Post #582 » by **Dr Spaceman** » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:06 pm

therealbig3 wrote:So...Westbrook has been really bad this year. I kind of knew him and Harden would be an awful fit, but part of me was hoping they could recapture what they had in OKC before, but they both developed into two super high usage volume scorers since then, and neither one can really adapt. Westbrook is useless off the ball pretty much since he's such a bad shooter, but Harden kind of needs to dominate the ball.

You have one ball and two ball-dominant players...one of them can't shoot, and the other one doesn't do anything off the ball. Recipe for distaster.

Kind of makes what Harden is doing even more impressive. They're 10-3 despite the awful fit.

I thought the trade was horrible when it happened but I didn’t even see it being this bad. Paul had a bad season last year due to the hamstring which didn’t go away and his busted up elbow which kept him from hitting a jumper all year. I think it was fair to assume at his age he wasn’t going to fully bounce back from those injuries.

The Westbrook thing is so, so strange though. Dude had a baby and then just forgot how to shoot.

GSP · Post #583 » by **GSP** » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:34 pm

Dr Spaceman wrote:
Slava wrote:I'm surprised to see Dwight listed for 2010s, his peak was 2009 and it's only been a steady decline since then. I'd much rather include in that conversation.

I think 09-11 are all on the same level for Dwight. He probably should’ve been the 11 MVP, him or Bron. It wasn’t until 2012 that the back injuries started to take their toll and he was still really effective in 12, just below peak level when healthy although I ding him for the Dwightmare stuff.

11 shouldve been Dwight or Dirk. I never got this Lebron narrative for 11. Heat won 1 more game than the Mavs despite playing in a weaker conference and Dirk missing 9 games (Mavs going 2-7 and looking like the worst offense in the league in that span). Heat werent as deep obviously but Wade and Bosh still played 76 and 77 games respectively

limbo · Post #584 » by **limbo** » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:49 pm

It wasn't narrative.

Despite a down (transitional) year for LeBron, he still led the league in multiple advance stats, was the best player on the best team in the league (going by SRS) and played 77 games and 39 mpg.

Maybe not unanimous, but he had as strong of a case as anyone. I wouldn't have mind if Dwight won it, though, but they ended up giving it to Rose, lol.

thebigbird · Post #585 » by **thebigbird** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:04 am

thebigbird wrote:Kawhi played 41 minutes tonight. He's going to need to sit the next three games to recover.

Turns out he did need to sit the next three to recover.

yoyoboy · Post #586 » by **yoyoboy** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:14 am

A look at the 3 leading MVP candidates:

GSP · Post #587 » by **GSP** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:39 am

Could Luka already be the best offensive player by the end of the year? This is bordering on ludicrous at this point

GSP · Post #588 » by **GSP** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:14 am

That Utah Jazz stock...........Im out

I dont believe this team at all. The offense is absolutely horrible. This is really damning on Snyder especially

Pillendreher · Post #589 » by **Pillendreher** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:57 am

GSP wrote:This is really damning on Snyder especially

Why? They have been respectable offensively with no real offensive talent to speak of for years. I know they acquired Conley, but in a general sense, he has done a fantastic job with that roster imo. Based on their players alone, they shouldn't have been particularly close to their recent regular season performances.

E-Balla · Post #590 » by **E-Balla** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:19 pm

GSP wrote:Could Luka already be the best offensive player by the end of the year? This is bordering on ludicrous at this point

It is but I wouldn't say he's the best. His net rating is actually not that good and the Dallas bench is carrying the team. Plus his 61% shooting on 2s isn't going to hold up. Amazing production though, I think his impact numbers will catch up.

Dr Spaceman · Post #591 » by **Dr Spaceman** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:30 pm

E-Balla wrote:
GSP wrote:Could Luka already be the best offensive player by the end of the year? This is bordering on ludicrous at this point

It is but I wouldn't say he's the best. His net rating is actually not that good and the Dallas bench is carrying the team. Plus his 61% shooting on 2s isn't going to hold up. Amazing production though, I think his impact numbers will catch up.

His net rating is bad because of the minutes he plays with Porzingis

Eskobar13 · Post #592 » by **Eskobar13** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:35 pm

GSP wrote:That Utah Jazz stock...........Im out

I dont believe this team at all. The offense is absolutely horrible. This is really damning on Snyder especially

They're relying on Mudiay and Exum as their 8th and 9th man... I mean. Still think they're definitely better than what they've shown so far, but this isn't to be really unexpected. I believe a lot of people (myself included) just looked to much into their top-6 and ignored that after that there's a steep downfall. Green has actually been better than I excepted, but with Ingles and Conley struggling that's not gonna get you anywhere.

E-Balla wrote:
GSP wrote:Could Luka already be the best offensive player by the end of the year? This is bordering on ludicrous at this point

It is but I wouldn't say he's the best. His net rating is actually not that good and the Dallas bench is carrying the team. Plus his 61% shooting on 2s isn't going to hold up. Amazing production though, I think his impact numbers will catch up.

His 3 ball should improve a bit too, specially if he starts improving his shot selection a little bit. If it doesn't happen then yeah, I highly doubt he'll be anything more than 3rd by the end of the season (behind Lebron and Harden at least).

Colbinii · Post #593 » by **Colbinii** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:05 pm

E-Balla wrote:
GSP wrote:Could Luka already be the best offensive player by the end of the year? This is bordering on ludicrous at this point

It is but I wouldn't say he's the best. His net rating is actually not that good and the Dallas bench is carrying the team. Plus his 61% shooting on 2s isn't going to hold up. Amazing production though, I think his impact numbers will catch up.

Porzongis has an on/off of -17.0. Luka has suffered 302 of his 455 minutes with the bean stalk that is Porzingis.

Porzingis has been one of the worst NBA players.

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Joey Wheeler · Post #594 » by **Joey Wheeler** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:25 pm

I'm convinced the WCF will be Lakers vs Rockets if the seeding allows it. Westbrook has completely transformed the Rockets, they're his team now despite Harden's huge scoring numbers, they're playing at a very fast pace and have taken on his personality as a team. They'll be much tougher to guard in the playoffs. Probably won't have enough to beat a healthy Lebron/AD duo even with HCA, but they're legit.

Colbinii · Post #595 » by **Colbinii** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:31 pm

What do people think about KAT?

He carried the wolves in the 4th quarter last night over Utah.

He is currently averaging 43.5% on 3 with 9.0 attempts per game. 27/12.2/3.8/1.4/1.6.

Everything he is doing looks sustainable.

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Joey Wheeler · Post #596 » by **Joey Wheeler** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:40 pm

Colbinii wrote:What do people think about KAT?

He carried the wolves in the 4th quarter last night over Utah.

He is currently averaging 43.5% on 3 with 9.0 attempts per game. 27/12.2/3.8/1.4/1.6.

Everything he is doing looks sustainable.

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Defense not great and that's ultimately the most important thing for a big. He's a great offensive big man, but modern offenses are far too efficient for it to be possible to win it all with a big anchoring your offense.

Colbinii · Post #597 » by **Colbinii** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:49 pm

Joey Wheeler wrote:
Colbinii wrote:What do people think about KAT?

He carried the wolves in the 4th quarter last night over Utah.

He is currently averaging 43.5% on 3 with 9.0 attempts per game. 27/12.2/3.8/1.4/1.6.

Everything he is doing looks sustainable.

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Defense not great and that's ultimately the most important thing for a big. He's a great offensive big man, but modern offenses are far too efficient for it to be possible to win it all with a big anchoring your offense.

His defense has been good.

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Dr Spaceman · Post #598 » by **Dr Spaceman** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:33 pm

Colbinii wrote:What do people think about KAT?

He carried the wolves in the 4th quarter last night over Utah.

He is currently averaging 43.5% on 3 with 9.0 attempts per game. 27/12.2/3.8/1.4/1.6.

Everything he is doing looks sustainable.

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I think he’s the best big man in the NBA.

Joey Wheeler · Post #599 » by **Joey Wheeler** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:08 pm

Colbinii wrote:
Joey Wheeler wrote:
Colbinii wrote:What do people think about KAT?

He carried the wolves in the 4th quarter last night over Utah.

He is currently averaging 43.5% on 3 with 9.0 attempts per game. 27/12.2/3.8/1.4/1.6.

Everything he is doing looks sustainable.

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Defense not great and that's ultimately the most important thing for a big. He's a great offensive big man, but modern offenses are far too efficient for it to be possible to win it all with a big anchoring your offense.

His defense has been good.

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"Good" defense isn't enough for an elite big man. It's the equivalent of a guard/wing being merely "good" on offense, in which case they just won't be elite players. Chances of competing for a title when your center is your best player and is merely "good" defensively are slim.

Among bigs, AD and Embiid are clearly superior as they can anchor elite defenses. AD is probably better even on offense alone too from a championship team building perspective since he needs the ball less/plays better off elite guards/wings.

Colbinii · Post #600 » by **Colbinii** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:23 pm

Joey Wheeler wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Joey Wheeler wrote:
Defense not great and that's ultimately the most important thing for a big. He's a great offensive big man, but modern offenses are far too efficient for it to be possible to win it all with a big anchoring your offense.

His defense has been good.

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"Good" defense isn't enough for an elite big man. It's the equivalent of a guard/wing being merely "good" on offense, in which case they just won't be elite players. Chances of competing for a title when your center is your best player and is merely "good" defensively are slim.

Among bigs, AD and Embiid are clearly superior as they can anchor elite defenses. AD is probably better even on offense alone too from a championship team building perspective since he needs the ball less/plays better off elite guards/wings.

Towns is better offensively than Davis.

How does Davis play better with better players when Towns is a much better shooter and one of the best 3-point shooters in NBA History.

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