MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened

Ron Swanson · Post #521 » by **Ron Swanson** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:53 pm

I love this narrative that the MVP can now only be a competition between who has the worst bench "cuz plus-minus". It's just annoying and frustrating that so many people still don't know how to properly analyze and contextualize raw on/off data. Imagine trying to nitpick a +10 Rtg. differential on a +10 SRS team and say that it's way less "impressive" than a guy who leads his team to the 9th ranked offense just cuz the offense sucks without him out there dominating the ball.

Mr Puddles · Post #522 » by **Mr Puddles** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:52 am

Chanel Bomber wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:Honestly looking the MVP candidates and their respective ages we might experience a streak of international MVPs in the coming years.

Giannis, Embiid, Jokic, Doncic - all guys who are 25 and under - look like the front runners for years to come

The NBA's worst nightmare.

This is actually the best thing that could happen to the NBA & Basketball. It's popularity in the US is pretty much saturated the more international the game becomes, the larger it's fan base becomes, the more money it makes. Also, the more popular the game becomes, the more people start playing basketball outside of the US, the better the overall product becomes.

Post #523 » by **G R E Y** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:14 am

Just saw that Kemba was injured. Haven't heard anything else or read through this thread, but I want to say I hope he will be ok. Great guy and team mate and stepped up along with his fellow Cs for FIBA, so huge respect for all of them.

Post #524 » by **G R E Y** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:15 am

Why can't you hack-a-player inside 2 minutes? Is that a new rule?

Post #525 » by **G R E Y** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:31 am

^^ Sorry, I meant for these two posts to be in the game thread...

igorbianch · Post #526 » by **igorbianch** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:55 am

Doncic might be the best offensive player in the game.

Cavsfansince84 · Post #527 » by **Cavsfansince84** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:55 am

Seems like Luka is destined to finish top 5 in mvp voting this year if he plays 75+ games. He's been toying with the league the last 4-5 games.

Yuri36 · Post #528 » by **Yuri36** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:23 am

igorbianch wrote:Doncic might be the best offensive player in the game.

I think it's becoming more and more obvious.
One thing i'm almost sure is that he is already the best passer in the league.

Imon · Post #529 » by **Imon** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:38 am

Yuri36 wrote:
igorbianch wrote:Doncic might be the best offensive player in the game.

I think it's becoming more and more obvious.
One thing i'm almost sure is that he is already the best passer in the league.

Lebron is still leading the league in assists with Luka second - crazy that these two lead the league.

I don't think Luka has a shot to win MVP this season unless the Mavs win a bunch of games - probably 55 or more (unlikely) which seems a little unfair to me since I think Lebron, Harden, and Giannis have better teammates. Still, Luka even being in the conversation in his 2nd year at the age of 20 is insane.

RB34 · Post #530 » by **RB34** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:43 am

Davis with 33/11/7.

Yuri36 · Post #531 » by **Yuri36** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:46 am

Imon wrote:
Yuri36 wrote:
igorbianch wrote:Doncic might be the best offensive player in the game.

I think it's becoming more and more obvious.
One thing i'm almost sure is that he is already the best passer in the league.

Lebron is still leading the league in assists with Luka second - crazy that these two lead the league.

I don't think Luka has a shot to win MVP this season unless the Mavs win a bunch of games - probably 55 or more (unlikely) which seems a little unfair to me since I think Lebron, Harden, and Giannis have better teammates. Still, Luka even being in the conversation in his 2nd year at the age of 20 is insane.

True but Luka if i'm not mistaken is one of the players with the highest loss in term of potential assists this season so far, much more than LBJ.
Also plays 1 min less than LeBron.
And even though I agree that on paper, Mavs don't look a 55 wins team, the way they're playing now despite KP still struggling and with Luka improving almost every week, I certainly wouldn't bet against them doing it.

dantas · Post #532 » by **dantas** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:52 am

Doncic now is leading the league in PER, WS/48, OBPM, BPM and VORP.

LAMF · Post #533 » by **LAMF** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:58 am

dantas wrote:Doncic now is leading the league in PER, WS/48, OBPM, BPM and VORP.

Not only this season. This is before the game vs. Cavs:

1. Luka Dončić 32.38 2019-20
2. Giannis Antetokounmpo 32.18 2019-20
3. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.82 1962-63
4. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.74 1961-62
5. Michael Jordan* 31.71 1987-88
6. LeBron James 31.67 2008-09
7. Michael Jordan* 31.63 1990-91
8. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.63 1963-64
9. LeBron James 31.59 2012-13
10. Stephen Curry 31.46 2015-16
11. Michael Jordan* 31.18 1989-90
12. Michael Jordan* 31.14 1988-89
13. LeBron James 31.11 2009-10
14. Giannis Antetokounmpo 30.89 2018-19
15. Anthony Davis 30.81 2014-15
16. James Harden 30.78 2019-20
17. LeBron James 30.74 2011-12
18. David Robinson* 30.66 1993-94
19. Shaquille O'Neal* 30.65 1999-00
20. Russell Westbrook 30.63 2016-17
21. James Harden 30.57 2018-19

Perseus1966 · Post #534 » by **Perseus1966** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:07 am

The MVP will the only player who doesnt FLOP

Perseus1966 · Post #535 » by **Perseus1966** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:11 am

foreigngrammar wrote:
Perseus1966 wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:Honestly looking the MVP candidates and their respective ages we might experience a streak of international MVPs in the coming years.

Giannis, Embiid, Jokic, Doncic - all guys who are 25 and under - look like the front runners for years to come

Except Luka all the others are american products .

Who?

Giannis, Embiid, Jokic

foreigngrammar · Post #536 » by **foreigngrammar** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:13 am

Perseus1966 wrote:
foreigngrammar wrote:
Perseus1966 wrote:Except Luka all the others are american products .

Who?

Giannis, Embiid, Jokic

So which of these is an american product? :lol:

Perseus1966 · Post #537 » by **Perseus1966** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:17 am

foreigngrammar wrote:
Perseus1966 wrote:
foreigngrammar wrote:Who?

Giannis, Embiid, Jokic

So which of these is an american product?

The three above

foreigngrammar · Post #538 » by **foreigngrammar** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:33 am

Perseus1966 wrote:
foreigngrammar wrote:
Perseus1966 wrote:

Giannis, Embiid, Jokic

So which of these is an american product?

The three above

Haha what!?

In what shape or form?

Giannis and Joker being drafted or that 3 yrs or what it was that Embiid spent in the US prior to the NBA?
This is ridiculous
But I'm curious what's next... :lol:

Homer38 · Post #539 » by **Homer38** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 11:03 am

Luka has a shot if he continue to play at a super star level and that Dallas won over 50 games.

Perseus1966 · Post #540 » by **Perseus1966** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:01 pm

foreigngrammar wrote:
Perseus1966 wrote:
foreigngrammar wrote:
So which of these is an american product?

The three above

Haha what!?
In what shape or form?

Giannis and Joker being drafted or that 3 yrs or what it was that Embiid spent in the US prior to the NBA?
This is ridiculous
But I'm curious what's next...

Giannis was playing a2 greek league unoticed by the big clubs ,same Jokic in an a mediocre team in serbia ,Jojo in cameroon what are you talking about?

Who is your pick for the 2019-20 MVP?