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Re: PG: Zach FTW!! 

Post#301 » by RedBulls23 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:30 am

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Still laughing at this. Wow. Really cannot be any more clear about where the players stand than that

Its pretty telling and hilarious

Yup, and anyone saying that the players don't actually have an issue with Boylen are kidding themselves. Zach certainly is still not over it.

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Re: PG: Zach FTW!! 

Post#302 » by weneeda2guard » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:00 am

Your yanking your 2 best players for lack of defense but consistently playing guys 15-20 minutes who haven't scored in double figures all season. Its inconsistent and would tick a locker room off
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Re: PG: Zach FTW!! 

Post#303 » by SHO'NUFF » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:12 am

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mtron32 wrote:
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Still laughing at this. Wow. Really cannot be any more clear about where the players stand than that

Its pretty telling and hilarious

Yup, and anyone saying that the players don't actually have an issue with Boylen are kidding themselves. Zach certainly is still not over it.

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Did zach delete his tweet? Can’t find it. Just want to verify if it’s legit.
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Re: PG: Zach FTW!! 

Post#304 » by WindyCityBorn » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:37 am

Zach is a class act, but there is no way he likes Boylen. I would be shocked if any one on the team likes him. You don't need to be likeable to be a good coach, but he sucks at coaching too.
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Re: PG: Zach FTW!! 

Post#305 » by RedBulls23 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:39 am

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mtron32 wrote:Its pretty telling and hilarious

Yup, and anyone saying that the players don't actually have an issue with Boylen are kidding themselves. Zach certainly is still not over it.

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Did zach delete his tweet? Can’t find it. Just want to verify if it’s legit.

Yeah he deleted it. He does that often after realizing he shouldn't have sent it. He's an emotional tweeter. Lol
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Re: PG: Zach FTW!! 

Post#306 » by Ccwatercraft » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:45 am

Lauri_Bird wrote:i dont understad why the Hornets coach didnt asked for a challenge on that last play...could have been a foul on the player we stole the ball and Zach clearly walked on that 3 fadeaway...anyway...thank god he didnt asked for it.


can a play be challenged in last two?

also I'd have to look it up, but challenges are limited to specific things.
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Re: PG: Zach FTW!! 

Post#307 » by RedBulls23 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:08 am

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Lauri_Bird wrote:i dont understad why the Hornets coach didnt asked for a challenge on that last play...could have been a foul on the player we stole the ball and Zach clearly walked on that 3 fadeaway...anyway...thank god he didnt asked for it.


can a play be challenged in last two?

also I'd have to look it up, but challenges are limited to specific things.

You can't make a challenge when you don't have a timeout anyways, so he couldn't have.
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Re: PG: Zach FTW!! 

Post#308 » by Red8911 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:19 am

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I am definitely not criticizing Zach for today’s masterpiece.

I am pushing back on the idea that the bulls should assume Zach can deliver this regularly and build their offense this way.

If you watched the game you would know this is exactly how the bulls need to utilize lavine going forward. He played mostly off the ball leaving most of the ball handling duties to sato and coby and everyone was setting lavine up with 3s in the corner with the occasional iso shot but even with his iso it was within the flow of the offense or with the shot clock running down. It spoke to how bad lavine needs to not be the play maker and facilitator that many are clamoring for him to be and just put him in the klay Thompson role.

No he is not going to score 49 a night but I think he can give you 24-29 a night. Lavine didnt play any hero ball last night he caught fire and the team kept finding him. And everyone who was playing well like sato. Carter Jr and coby got their shots and the guys who were terrible got way more than enough shots.


Good analysis. And so, if you're saying that Lavine should specialize in catch-and-shoot 3 pointers, I'm down with that. But I don't see him being a high usage player in the scenario you describe, because he would not be a primary ball handler. He would just be one option of many on offense.
This may have worked for one game but I don’t think Lavine is that type of player. He’s more of a ball dominant guard who needs the ball to create his offense, especially to use his athleticism for driving in.

If you guys are suggesting he play similar to Klay or just a role player that only shoots on offense then your mistaken. He’s not that type of player and he would never accept being just one option on offense, he wants to be the go to guy. Again it may have worked cause he was really hot last game and shots were falling.
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Re: PG: Zach FTW!! 

Post#309 » by PaKii94 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:28 am

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weneeda2guard wrote:If you watched the game you would know this is exactly how the bulls need to utilize lavine going forward. He played mostly off the ball leaving most of the ball handling duties to sato and coby and everyone was setting lavine up with 3s in the corner with the occasional iso shot but even with his iso it was within the flow of the offense or with the shot clock running down. It spoke to how bad lavine needs to not be the play maker and facilitator that many are clamoring for him to be and just put him in the klay Thompson role.

No he is not going to score 49 a night but I think he can give you 24-29 a night. Lavine didnt play any hero ball last night he caught fire and the team kept finding him. And everyone who was playing well like sato. Carter Jr and coby got their shots and the guys who were terrible got way more than enough shots.


Good analysis. And so, if you're saying that Lavine should specialize in catch-and-shoot 3 pointers, I'm down with that. But I don't see him being a high usage player in the scenario you describe, because he would not be a primary ball handler. He would just be one option of many on offense.
This may have worked for one game but I don’t think Lavine is that type of player. He’s more of a ball dominant guard who needs the ball to create his offense, especially to use his athleticism for driving in.

If you guys are suggesting he play similar to Klay or just a role player that only shoots on offense then your mistaken. He’s not that type of player and he would never accept being just one option on offense, he wants to be the go to guy. Again it may have worked cause he was really hot last game and shots were falling.



That's hitting the problem on the head. Lavine has the talent to do that but not the mental IQ. The only way I see him backing down from that is if we get a guy higher on the totem pole (but that's hard to do). OR you put him in a rigid system where he isn't making the decisions but just looking to score. We did that second part in the last game... Let's see if it continues.
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Re: PG: Zach FTW!! 

Post#310 » by PaKii94 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:53 am

I would again like to emphasize Zach's positive game OUTSIDE of the shot making. We all know he is an excellent scorer but he played a very controlled game outside of that. For the most part he trusted his teammates to get him the ball and let the offense come to him instead of forcing it like he usually does.

This was especially key at the end of the game. He had 2 ridiculous 3s but sandwich in-between them were the key Sato 3 and the Coby drive at the rim.

IF Zach had gone iso hero ball like in so many games past, those two possessions wouldn't have happened. He probably would have dribbled it off his foot for the turnover and that's game over. No chance for the final shot.

Instead, again he let his team run the offense and we saw the two positive possessions which in turn lead to Zach being able to do what does best and hit the tough ass shot to win the game.
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Re: PG: Zach FTW!! 

Post#311 » by Onibuh » Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:19 am

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“Those guys are very well-coached” :lol:


So here's a veteran nba player, complimenting Boylen for doing a good job of coaching, and people here just treat it like it he never said it. Another nba player, saying the Bulls are well coached. And it's just laughed away, with "what does this guy know?" (after all, he's just an nba player)....

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to me, I just don't buy that fans know more about coaching that an actual nba coach, or the GM who hired him, or now, a fellow nba player.

I'm going to say you can be a good Coach - tactical in Training and a teacher of the game. He's not good at in game Coaching from the Little I know and understand. He's not Looking like a great Motivator, which is also part of being the HC.
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Re: PG: Zach FTW!! 

Post#312 » by dougthonus » Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:56 pm

RedBulls23 wrote:Yeah he deleted it. He does that often after realizing he shouldn't have sent it. He's an emotional tweeter. Lol


Might be just me, but I think it's also pretty reasonable to think "thank you" was to the "Zach LaVine gives us an insane ending" and then he didn't really realize what he was saying, and was like "woah, didn't mean to open that can of worms".

Not that I think Zach and Boylen are best of friends or anything out there, but I think given that he was probably roaming twitter to take extra bows and just soak in all the compliments that he may have just not been paying attention entirely.
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Re: PG: Zach FTW!! 

Post#313 » by RedBulls23 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:26 pm

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RedBulls23 wrote:Yeah he deleted it. He does that often after realizing he shouldn't have sent it. He's an emotional tweeter. Lol


Might be just me, but I think it's also pretty reasonable to think "thank you" was to the "Zach LaVine gives us an insane ending" and then he didn't really realize what he was saying, and was like "woah, didn't mean to open that can of worms".

Not that I think Zach and Boylen are best of friends or anything out there, but I think given that he was probably roaming twitter to take extra bows and just soak in all the compliments that he may have just not been paying attention entirely.

Could be that or it could be that he was agreeing with the OP.

Considering the post game interview he had with Vincient Goodwill after the Heat game, I'd say he has real issues with Boylen. I highly doubt it's all just a coincidence.
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Re: PG: Zach FTW!! 

Post#314 » by The Explorer » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:36 pm

mtron32 wrote:
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Still laughing at this. Wow. Really cannot be any more clear about where the players stand than that

Its pretty telling and hilarious



I don't see 'players' avoiding Boylen. All I see is one scrub guy avoiding him.
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Re: PG: Zach FTW!! 

Post#315 » by dougthonus » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:50 pm

RedBulls23 wrote:Could be that or it could be that he was agreeing with the OP.

Considering the post game interview he had with Vincient Goodwill after the Heat game, I'd say he has real issues with Boylen. I highly doubt it's all just a coincidence.


Didn't see the interview, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if he has real issues with Boylen. Wouldn't surprise me if Boylen has real issues with him either.
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Post#316 » by Steve Brule » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:05 pm

Just a beautiful win all-around. Crappy coaching and a huge game from Lavine. We need him to rip off a string of 30 ppg before the all star break so we can trick a team into giving us a high-to-mid first for him.
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Post#317 » by CBS7 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:43 pm

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Lauri_Bird wrote:i dont understad why the Hornets coach didnt asked for a challenge on that last play...could have been a foul on the player we stole the ball and Zach clearly walked on that 3 fadeaway...anyway...thank god he didnt asked for it.


It was a non challengeable play. Challenges are only for out of bounds, goal tends or called fouls. Nothing was called so there is nothing to review.

So in essence, only the whistle can signify an actual challenge.


I think an easy way to put it is you can challenge a whistle. You can't challenge lack of a whistle.

Not to mention they had no timeouts left.
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Re: PG: Zach FTW!! 

Post#318 » by Jello Biafra » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:53 pm

OK. The Bull's switching and blitzing the screen roll. Has not worked. Has not been adjusted. Resulted in mismatches every time down the floor at the end of the fourth.

Bulls were playing 4 guards and WCJ. Carter blitzed the ball handler and switched every time resulting in him guarding Rozier and Zach, Coby or Arch on Williams or Zeller. Hornets took advantage and scored every time. Luckily, Arch eventually left his man and doubled Rozier with Carter forcing a turnover after 8 straight successful Hornet possessions. He made the adjustment. Bulls coaching didn't.

Is this on Rogers or Boylen?
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Re: PG: Zach FTW!! 

Post#319 » by Dresden » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:34 pm

weneeda2guard wrote:Your yanking your 2 best players for lack of defense but consistently playing guys 15-20 minutes who haven't scored in double figures all season. Its inconsistent and would tick a locker room off


It's not about statistics, it's about how the team is playing, and they've played better a lot of times with Lauri and/or Zach on the bench, and Arci and Dunn out on the floor.
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Re: PG: Zach FTW!! 

Post#320 » by RedBulls23 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:47 pm

The Explorer wrote:
mtron32 wrote:
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Still laughing at this. Wow. Really cannot be any more clear about where the players stand than that

Its pretty telling and hilarious



I don't see 'players' avoiding Boylen. All I see is one scrub guy avoiding him.

Not one of them acknowledged Boylen. Highly doubt it's a coincidence.
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