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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#541 » by Stratmaster » Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:04 am

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Stratmaster wrote:I said a few weeks ago they need to turn Trubisky loose and throw vertical. He will throw some picks but it is the only way they will get in the end zone.

3 TDs and 1 INT is exactly the stats you want to see every game.



I mean that was expected. Trubs is a good bum slayer


Oh... i get it was the lions. But regardless who it is at this point i want to see him throw the ball down the field. If he gets picked so be it. These last 4 games should be all about taking one last look and seeing how he responds to having the field opened up. He likely will fail but it's time to take the training wheels off. He either rides or he falls over.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#542 » by Stratmaster » Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:05 am

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Stratmaster wrote:I said a few weeks ago they need to turn Trubisky loose and throw vertical. He will throw some picks but it is the only way they will get in the end zone.

3 TDs and 1 INT is exactly the stats you want to see every game.

2 of those TDs were short passes, though


But all the passes that got them there weren't.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#543 » by bullsnewdynasty » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:12 am

Trubisky looked decent except for the INT. With that said, that game was WAY too close against a rollover Detroit team with multiple 2nd/3rd stringers out there.

My concern is that the Bears look decent the rest of the year but miss the playoffs, which gives everybody another year of job security. That would be a problem because I see serious flaws in this team's path to SB contention.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#544 » by dougthonus » Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:43 pm

MeloRoseNoah wrote:If Trubisky throws 300+ yds and 2+ TDs against the Cowboys, I will believe him and the team again. Otherwise, it's an ok performance against a garbage team.


If Trubisky plays well in all 4 remaining games, it makes sense to start believing again. If he plays well in 2 or 3, then it probably makes sense to at least allow him to compete for the job next year with someone you bring in. If he plays well in 0-1 then you bring in someone else with the intention of making them the day 1 starter and only go with Mitch if he blows that guy away in camp.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#545 » by molepharmer » Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:25 pm

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dice wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:I said a few weeks ago they need to turn Trubisky loose and throw vertical. He will throw some picks but it is the only way they will get in the end zone.

3 TDs and 1 INT is exactly the stats you want to see every game.

2 of those TDs were short passes, though


But all the phases that got them there weren't.

Shorter TD passes usually have much tighter windows. Unless you're a Detroit team running a crossing pattern against the Bears vaunted defense and your receiver gets so open there is nobody within 5 yds of him and he can walk into the end zone.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#546 » by JohnnyTapwater » Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:29 pm

Nagy is calling better plays. He was making Mitch look more awful than he was looking on his own.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#547 » by Dresden » Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:44 pm

One big difference yesterday from previous games was that Mitch had a lot of time to throw.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#548 » by MeloRoseNoah » Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:54 pm

Dresden wrote:One big difference yesterday from previous games was that Mitch had a lot of time to throw.


The O line def needs to be revamped over this offseason especially if Pace and Nagy want to keep their jobs.

I will also say that the receiving Corp has gotten better with deadweights like Burton, Shaheen, and Gabriel hitting the bench. Anthony Miller stepping up also helps a ton.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#549 » by Dresden » Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:58 pm

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Dresden wrote:One big difference yesterday from previous games was that Mitch had a lot of time to throw.


The O line def needs to be revamped over this offseason especially if Pace and Nagy want to keep their jobs.

I will also say that the receiving Corp has gotten better with deadweights like Burton, Shaheen, and Gabriel hitting the bench. Anthony Miller stepping up also helps a ton.


Burton was good last season when he was healthy. I thought Gabriel was good last year, too. I think their receivers are good enough, with Robinson, Miller, and even Wims has shown potential. Plus there's Riley Ridley who hasn't even had a chance yet. They do need tight ends in a huge way though. Shaheen has been a massive disappointment.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#550 » by dougthonus » Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:11 pm

Dresden wrote:Burton was good last season when he was healthy. I thought Gabriel was good last year, too. I think their receivers are good enough, with Robinson, Miller, and even Wims has shown potential. Plus there's Riley Ridley who hasn't even had a chance yet. They do need tight ends in a huge way though. Shaheen has been a massive disappointment.


I think only Robinson looks like a good receiver. No one else in that group is helping the QB and our receivers (at least a week ago) were leading the league in drops collectively.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#551 » by transplant » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:47 pm

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Dresden wrote:Burton was good last season when he was healthy. I thought Gabriel was good last year, too. I think their receivers are good enough, with Robinson, Miller, and even Wims has shown potential. Plus there's Riley Ridley who hasn't even had a chance yet. They do need tight ends in a huge way though. Shaheen has been a massive disappointment.


I think only Robinson looks like a good receiver. No one else in that group is helping the QB and our receivers (at least a week ago) were leading the league in drops collectively.

Completely agree. Coming into the season, on paper, the Bears had at least average receiving weapons. Robinson has been the ONLY reliable target. Burton has been a non-factor, and the tight end position has been manned by, in basketball terms, G-leaguers. Not enough has been said/written about this. TE is a NFL QB's best friend, but this season the Bears have given Trubisky sub-NFL players at the position. This is on Pace.

Trubisky deserves some heat for his performance this season, If he was a truly great QB, maybe he could have overcome the deficiencies of his offensive line, receiving targets and lack of a reliable running game.

Net, if you want to declare Trubisky to be something less than a great NFL QB, I'd agree. Personally, I'm not giving up on him.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#552 » by RastaBull » Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:10 pm

dougthonus wrote:
Dresden wrote:Burton was good last season when he was healthy. I thought Gabriel was good last year, too. I think their receivers are good enough, with Robinson, Miller, and even Wims has shown potential. Plus there's Riley Ridley who hasn't even had a chance yet. They do need tight ends in a huge way though. Shaheen has been a massive disappointment.


I think only Robinson looks like a good receiver. No one else in that group is helping the QB and our receivers (at least a week ago) were leading the league in drops collectively.


Agree.

Miller showed good rapport and potential while healthy last year. Yesterday was a huge performance, but it wasn't simply that Miller was spectacular individually; imo it was again he and Trubisky just looking in sync. Miller didn't demolish anyone with his routes or speed, and some of the catches were a lil too close for comfort; but he did run good routes and was in the right places at right time and did secure the ball. I've always been intrigued by Wims for a similar reason, he does important things well (Miller does have some big potential skillsets that Wims probably doesn't).

Wims offers a bigger target radius that makes it much easier for Trubisky to make a comfortable 8yd throw. With A-Rob and Wims, Mitch looked very strong getting ball out to 1st/2nd read. Miller and A-Rob offer some over-the-top passes or breaks across the middle for 10-20 yd plays. But those require Mitch to be on point, something he really hasn't been at all this year. Last night he was, and I think the protection was a big difference for Mitch too. I'm VERY skeptical last night was a sign of our o-line getting that much better as much as it was a sign of a weaker defense in Det (but hey, props to winning the battle regardless).

I'll also say I like Gabriel. He's a really cool piece to have. He was used a lot more creatively last year though. Not only is he fast, he's got above-average hands, and he's a pretty nice route runner. STILL, he's not what Trubisky needs as the #2 outside receiver. I think Gabriel is a better overall receiver than a youngin like Wims, but everything I've seen says Wims is a more important piece for Trubisky on 1st and 3rd down. That said, Gabriel should be run out there both as a gadget kind of player and for tradiational sets occasionally to keep defenses on their toes.

Last year, Nagy's play-calling had the sum of the parts playing above their realistic talent evaluations individually. A-Rob is the only one you'd think of being a primary weapon any other 10+ win team. This year, they are playing much closer to the talent level of the individual parts. I'd expect Gabriel to be the #2 WR on a 7-8 win team, or Miller for that matter (at this point in career) ... and Trubisky individually looks like a 7-8 win QB. But the talents each of them does possess is so diverse that together, when called correctly, they can be a 10+ win offense (even with a Defense like this year that is super strong holding but not necessarily takeaways).
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#553 » by dice » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:42 pm

dougthonus wrote:
Dresden wrote:Burton was good last season when he was healthy. I thought Gabriel was good last year, too. I think their receivers are good enough, with Robinson, Miller, and even Wims has shown potential. Plus there's Riley Ridley who hasn't even had a chance yet. They do need tight ends in a huge way though. Shaheen has been a massive disappointment.


I think only Robinson looks like a good receiver. No one else in that group is helping the QB and our receivers (at least a week ago) were leading the league in drops collectively.

and robinson is a low level #1 target
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#554 » by MalagaBulls » Sun Dec 1, 2019 12:09 am

Shaheen to IR, what a pair of busts he & Burton turned to be.

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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#555 » by MeloRoseNoah » Sun Dec 1, 2019 12:28 am

MalagaBulls wrote:Shaheen to IR, what a pair of busts he & Burton turned to be.

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Good riddance to She-heen. They need to fire the scout that recommends him as Baby Gronk. No more wimps from D3 football in the first 3 rounds, unless you want to gamble starting in round 4.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#556 » by Chi town » Sun Dec 1, 2019 12:49 am

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MalagaBulls wrote:Shaheen to IR, what a pair of busts he & Burton turned to be.

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Good riddance to She-heen. They need to fire the scout that recommends him as Baby Gronk. No more wimps from D3 football in the first 3 rounds, unless you want to gamble starting in round 4.


Grab a TE from Iowa. Kittle and Hockenson both are awesome.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#557 » by Jcool0 » Sun Dec 1, 2019 12:58 am

Chi town wrote:
MeloRoseNoah wrote:
MalagaBulls wrote:Shaheen to IR, what a pair of busts he & Burton turned to be.

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Good riddance to She-heen. They need to fire the scout that recommends him as Baby Gronk. No more wimps from D3 football in the first 3 rounds, unless you want to gamble starting in round 4.


Grab a TE from Iowa. Kittle and Hockenson both are awesome.


Hockenson is not awesome.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#558 » by MeloRoseNoah » Sun Dec 1, 2019 1:08 am

Hockenson will be dynamite once he leaves Detroit. Ebron ends up being a very good player once he’s out of Detroit.

In fact, if Trubisky balls out for the rest of the reason, Pace needs to address the O-line and the TE position. Matt Nagy should get zero input in term of finding the right players for his gimmick plays. See his bs love affair for trash players like Mike Davis. I am also a proponent of drafting at least a QB every year regardless of our investment in Trubisky.

Nagy needs to shape his offense around talented players and not the other way around.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#559 » by dice » Sun Dec 1, 2019 5:40 am

MeloRoseNoah wrote:Hockenson will be dynamite once he leaves Detroit. Ebron ends up being a very good player once he’s out of Detroit.

In fact, if Trubisky balls out for the rest of the reason, Pace needs to address the O-line and the TE position. Matt Nagy should get zero input in term of finding the right players for his gimmick plays. See his bs love affair for trash players like Mike Davis. I am also a proponent of drafting at least a QB every year regardless of our investment in Trubisky.

Nagy needs to shape his offense around talented players and not the other way around.

and if he doesn't have talented players?

also, given that he barely played mike davis, why do you suggest that nagy had a "love affair" with him?
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#560 » by Mbrahv0528 » Sun Dec 1, 2019 5:52 am

dice wrote:
MeloRoseNoah wrote:Hockenson will be dynamite once he leaves Detroit. Ebron ends up being a very good player once he’s out of Detroit.

In fact, if Trubisky balls out for the rest of the reason, Pace needs to address the O-line and the TE position. Matt Nagy should get zero input in term of finding the right players for his gimmick plays. See his bs love affair for trash players like Mike Davis. I am also a proponent of drafting at least a QB every year regardless of our investment in Trubisky.

Nagy needs to shape his offense around talented players and not the other way around.

and if he doesn't have talented players?

also, given that he barely played mike davis, why do you suggest that nagy had a "love affair" with him?
I think he means love affair by having signed Mike Davis at all in the first place (not to mention not playing him at all).

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