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Re: RS 19/20 - G21 - Mavs vs Wolves 

Post#101 » by Imon » Thu Dec 5, 2019 4:12 am

DJ_3_Ball wrote:
fuller4379 wrote:Off night for Luka, but Powell, Curry, Porzingis, Kleber, and Brunson took up the slack.


The way Powell's left arm got bent back by KP coming over for that contest. I'm not certain we'll be seeing Powell again any time soon. *knock on wood* I hope he's okay, but it definitely had the makings of a broken arm.

Prayers up for Dwight!


According to MacMahon, the x-rays are came up negative and they're calling it a contusion.
It's a good thing it's not broken but depending on how deep and large of a bruise it is Powell might be out for awhile.
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Re: RS 19/20 - G21 - Mavs vs Wolves 

Post#102 » by Pinkyring » Thu Dec 5, 2019 4:12 am

This is the true definition of a team, we have a legit one and anybody else can be the second guy on any given night
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Re: RS 19/20 - G21 - Mavs vs Wolves 

Post#103 » by Imon » Thu Dec 5, 2019 4:17 am

BTW, the Mavs have played 21 games so far and most teams have played 20 or over - how is Denver only at 18 games?
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Re: RS 19/20 - G22 - Mavs vs Wolves 

Post#104 » by DJ_3_Ball » Thu Dec 5, 2019 4:24 am

DJ_3_Ball wrote:... the Mavs pull this one out, and then they have the next 4 at home. They get to rest until a Saturday (1pm start?!) vs NOP. Back-to-back the next day vs SAC, but 1pm start on Saturday and 6pm start the next night. Helps a little. Then rest til Thurs vs DET, and we do play vs MIA on Saturday, but MIA has a home game vs LAL the night before. The schedule playing in our favor that night.

Basically, Mavs win this one tonight, and they have a comfortable schedule to win the next 4 before traveling to MIL.

I want everyone here to try & keep it together. Because the Mavs are basically tied for 3rd in the West right now. And, I think they will win those 4 games vs NOP vs SAC vs DET and vs MIA. They win tonight, they could very realistically be 19-6 going into MIL.

The other top teams in the West have difficult games during that stretch. A couple @ MIL for Clippers & Lakers. @ BOS and @ PHI for DEN. HOU plays LAC on the 19th.

I mean, imagine the Mavs win the next 5 and then go into MIL and beat them.

It's possible they'd be 1st in the Western conference at that point. They would be 20-6!...



I'm a little excited. I'm a little worried.


Mavs have a real light schedule up until MIL. That MIA game is the second night of a back-to-back for them. They host the Lakers the night before. That's flying across a time zone, the wrong way, losing sleep, after you just played one of the top teams in the league. And MIA has been banged up lately.

Mavs could easily be 19-6 now going into that MIL game. I don't think I'd put that MIL game, even with it being @ MIL, out of reach for the Mavs.

Say they're 19-7 after that game in Milwaukee. You're looking at a team in the top 3 of the West, probably top 2, and probably 3-4 games ahead of the 4th/5th place team.

I think fans could really blow things out of perspective then. Kinda fun. Kinda scary.



Edit: That'd also put them at 13-1 in their last 14, assuming they win the next 4. Very doable. vs NOP, vs SAC, vs DET, vs MIA (after they played Lakers the night before). Those are 4 winnable games. Tonight's the game I worried about.

Man, I hope Mavs' fans don't lose their minds. This is still a team I'd have in the 5th or 6th seed. Not competing for a title this year. I don't know. Maybe it's not so bad, but I think, if the Mavs struggle later in the year, and they do lose in the 2nd round. Then everyone will see it as a disappoint. Instead of what it would be. A tremendous success!
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Re: RS 19/20 - G22 - Mavs vs Wolves 

Post#105 » by Imon » Thu Dec 5, 2019 4:32 am

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DJ_3_Ball wrote:... the Mavs pull this one out, and then they have the next 4 at home. They get to rest until a Saturday (1pm start?!) vs NOP. Back-to-back the next day vs SAC, but 1pm start on Saturday and 6pm start the next night. Helps a little. Then rest til Thurs vs DET, and we do play vs MIA on Saturday, but MIA has a home game vs LAL the night before. The schedule playing in our favor that night.

Basically, Mavs win this one tonight, and they have a comfortable schedule to win the next 4 before traveling to MIL.

I want everyone here to try & keep it together. Because the Mavs are basically tied for 3rd in the West right now. And, I think they will win those 4 games vs NOP vs SAC vs DET and vs MIA. They win tonight, they could very realistically be 19-6 going into MIL.

The other top teams in the West have difficult games during that stretch. A couple @ MIL for Clippers & Lakers. @ BOS and @ PHI for DEN. HOU plays LAC on the 19th.

I mean, imagine the Mavs win the next 5 and then go into MIL and beat them.

It's possible they'd be 1st in the Western conference at that point. They would be 20-6!...



I'm a little excited. I'm a little worried.


Mavs have a real light schedule up until MIL. That MIA game is the second night of a back-to-back for them. They host the Lakers the night before. That's flying across a time zone, the wrong way, losing sleep, after you just played one of the top teams in the league. And MIA has been banged up lately.

Mavs could easily be 19-6 now going into that MIL game. I don't think I'd put that MIL game, even with it being @ MIL, out of reach for the Mavs.

Say they're 19-7 after that game in Milwaukee. You're looking at a team in the top 3 of the West, probably top 2, and probably 3-4 games ahead of the 4th/5th place team.

I think fans could really blow things out of perspective then. Kinda fun. Kinda scary.



Edit: That'd also put them at 13-1 in their last 14, assuming they win the next 4. Very doable. vs NOP, vs SAC, vs DET, vs MIA (after they played Lakers the night before). Those are 4 winnable games. Tonight's the game I worried about.

Man, I hope Mavs' fans don't lose their minds. This is still a team I'd have in the 5th or 6th seed. Not competing for a title this year. I don't know. Maybe it's not so bad, but I think, if the Mavs struggle later in the year, and they do lose in the 2nd round. Then everyone will see it as a disappoint. Instead of what it would be. A tremendous success!


Yeah, the Mavs have definitely exceeded expectations so far this season. I thought before the season they would be a bubble team somewhere in the 8-10 range with a good likelihood of missing the playoffs.
Obviously, some things have played in the Mavs favor - most notably the Warriors situation and the Spurs streak looking like it's in danger.
I wouldn't automatically count wins against bad teams though, I mean, this team lost two f***ing games against the Knicks.
Funny though, I think those two losses really pissed this team off because they have been playing a lot better since then. Who knows, maybe it was a blessing in disguise.
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Re: RS 19/20 - G21 - Mavs vs Wolves 

Post#106 » by DJ_3_Ball » Thu Dec 5, 2019 4:32 am

Imon wrote:BTW, the Mavs have played 21 games so far and most teams have played 20 or over - how is Denver only at 18 games?


Won't matter too much. Dallas is probable to win the next 4 games. DEN has @ BOS and @ PHI and 2 more road games @ NYK and @ BKN during that time.

DAL is going to be 3rd in the West come their game @ MIL, even if they do drop one of these next 4.
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Post#107 » by J_T » Thu Dec 5, 2019 4:35 am

DJ_3_Ball wrote:Edit: Okay good. X-rays are negative. He'll still probably miss the next game, maybe 2 or 3.

I hope not, I need his ass in fantasy.

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DJ_3_Ball wrote:
leolozon wrote:It’s officially the game where I disliked the most the Way Doncic is playing. It looks as if he’s only looking for himself out there. He’s not being a good foul manager. That last 3pt he shot was just a bad decision and he painted himself in a corner.

Really disappointed. It feels as though all the hype is going to his head and he’s trying to do everything alone. Where is the great passing game?


This is the underlying reason I posted what I said in the Luka year 2 thread this morning.

What will impress me most is when Luka has his first 20 assist game.

This "one-man band" stuff has to stop. We're not winning any titles with it being LUKA & co.

The 2015 Finals should of taught all of us that.


I think he can still dominate the ball, but look for his teammates more, like he did before. The past few weeks he was raking 10 assists all the time. Where is that penetration and those laser passes to a 3pt shooter? It seems like he cut those by half and replaced it with more dribble at the 3pt line.

Doesn’t help that all the best 3pt shooters seem to be on the bench... but still.

I disagree with most of this. Well, apart from not liking what he showed today. But for completely different reasons.

First of all, this nonsense about how he is just looking for himself has to stop. He was looking for others and he was just making bad passes. His ideas didn't come through. If you are talking about last game, well there is a stat called potential assists and those were fine. The only problem was that after his last passes his teammates were shooting only 26% last game, while season average is 34.5%. Consequence? Fewer assists, more potential assists. 8% lower shooting from the passes will make that pass only a potential assist instead of an actual assist more often. Once you see his potential assists going down (stat where he is also second in the league), then let's start complaining.

As for why I was pissed off this game... if I were head coach for opponents I would tell players to hack Luka and hope that refs don't do anything. If refs do call those, stop hacking him. If they don't call them, keep going. Luka will completely switch off, he can't pull himself out of being furious over non calls. And I actually thought that officiating was terrible today. One replay showed that Luka was fouled 3 times on the play and didn't get the call. Even if you say that I'm biased, I still think 2 fouls were objectively there.

But Luka needs to start ignoring refs because otherwise he starts playing like crap. The problem is that there are 4 possible reasons why foul was not called:

1. The foul didn't happen. Yeah, I know, unbelievable. But there are fouls where non call was correct in this game. It is so obvious that Luka shouldn't be losing his mind over that I don't know what else to say. I would actually check video with him next day and show him where he was wrong. If he sees that there are some situations where he was wrong, this could positively impact his future evaluations.

2. Refs didn't see it. It happens. Ok, you can tell them about it and I'm not against it. But just assume they didn't see it and play. The calls will come your way next time.

3. Refs didn't see it, because they are ****. It doesn't matter if you tell them or not and it doesn't help if you get angry. They are crappy refs and while you can influence their decisions in the future a bit, you never know how it will turn. The refs can't help themselves, they simply suck.

4. Refs saw it, but still didn't call it. It doesn't help at all that you lose your nerves. The ref has to feed his family or drug addiction as well and if this is combined with gambling addiction it can get real bad. Just hope that next game he placed a bet on your team.

For the record I think that today we might have seen a combination of all 4 reasons. I would say 1=30%, 2=10%, 3=50% and I think that one of the refs (I believe it was 72) might have placed a bet on Timberwolves. I just can't believe that he could have been that bad. Even his colleagues were correcting his bad decisions.
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Re: RS 19/20 - G22 - Mavs vs Wolves 

Post#108 » by agentofatlas » Thu Dec 5, 2019 4:39 am

DJ_3_Ball wrote:
DJ_3_Ball wrote:... the Mavs pull this one out, and then they have the next 4 at home. They get to rest until a Saturday (1pm start?!) vs NOP. Back-to-back the next day vs SAC, but 1pm start on Saturday and 6pm start the next night. Helps a little. Then rest til Thurs vs DET, and we do play vs MIA on Saturday, but MIA has a home game vs LAL the night before. The schedule playing in our favor that night.

Basically, Mavs win this one tonight, and they have a comfortable schedule to win the next 4 before traveling to MIL.

I want everyone here to try & keep it together. Because the Mavs are basically tied for 3rd in the West right now. And, I think they will win those 4 games vs NOP vs SAC vs DET and vs MIA. They win tonight, they could very realistically be 19-6 going into MIL.

The other top teams in the West have difficult games during that stretch. A couple @ MIL for Clippers & Lakers. @ BOS and @ PHI for DEN. HOU plays LAC on the 19th.

I mean, imagine the Mavs win the next 5 and then go into MIL and beat them.

It's possible they'd be 1st in the Western conference at that point. They would be 20-6!...



I'm a little excited. I'm a little worried.


Mavs have a real light schedule up until MIL. That MIA game is the second night of a back-to-back for them. They host the Lakers the night before. That's flying across a time zone, the wrong way, losing sleep, after you just played one of the top teams in the league. And MIA has been banged up lately.

Mavs could easily be 19-6 now going into that MIL game. I don't think I'd put that MIL game, even with it being @ MIL, out of reach for the Mavs.

Say they're 19-7 after that game in Milwaukee. You're looking at a team in the top 3 of the West, probably top 2, and probably 3-4 games ahead of the 4th/5th place team.

I think fans could really blow things out of perspective then. Kinda fun. Kinda scary.



Edit: That'd also put them at 13-1 in their last 14, assuming they win the next 4. Very doable. vs NOP, vs SAC, vs DET, vs MIA (after they played Lakers the night before). Those are 4 winnable games. Tonight's the game I worried about.

Man, I hope Mavs' fans don't lose their minds. This is still a team I'd have in the 5th or 6th seed. Not competing for a title this year. I don't know. Maybe it's not so bad, but I think, if the Mavs struggle later in the year, and they do lose in the 2nd round. Then everyone will see it as a disappoint. Instead of what it would be. A tremendous success!


Like I said in the playoff thread that Miami to Toronto stretch of games will be brutal as teams during that stretch have physical bigs who can have a field day in our interior and wings who can make Luka's life difficult. Either the bench or KP have got to perform well in order for us to win some of those games.
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Post#109 » by Absinthe » Thu Dec 5, 2019 4:55 am

I think the front office deserves some credit. I have been critical, but this team has great chemistry and recent drafting has been very good. Brunson is turning into a solid rotational player. Finney-Smith and Powell have been very smart pick ups too.
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Post#110 » by DJ_3_Ball » Thu Dec 5, 2019 5:05 am

Absinthe wrote:I think the front office deserves some credit. I have been critical, but this team has great chemistry and recent drafting has been very good. Brunson is turning into a solid rotational player. Finney-Smith and Powell have been very smart pick ups too.


One thing that appears evident. This team has really good chemistry. It appears to be a group that genuinely enjoys each other's company. Genuinely fights for each other. That's pretty important, and no small reason why they've had the success they've had so far.
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Re: RS 19/20 - G21 - Mavs vs Wolves 

Post#111 » by BlueSan » Thu Dec 5, 2019 5:34 am

leolozon wrote:Great win thanks to the bench.

It’s officially the game where I disliked the most the Way Doncic Was playing. It looks as if he was only looking for himself out there. He was not being a good floor manager. That last 3pt he shot was just a bad decision and he painted himself in a corner.

Really disappointed. It feels as though all the hype is going to his head and he’s trying to do everything alone. Where is the great passing game?

The worst is that in a normal reffed game he would have been something like 8/19 and 28pts. So no bad.


I agree after this one game we can officially declare it. Dončič is a power hungry selfish c*** sucker

Was that the gist of it?


I mean cmon people. I am also not happy with how Dončič played tonight and extremely happy to see the likes of Powell and the return of Brunson making the difference. Now that is simply great and much needed!
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Post#112 » by dakomish23 » Thu Dec 5, 2019 5:46 am

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This bench is deep. If they could somehow turn Lee / GSW 2nd into another starting caliber player, 50 wins goes from possible to probable
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Post#113 » by DJ_3_Ball » Thu Dec 5, 2019 5:47 am

agentofatlas wrote:Great win. The bench especially Brunson deserve all the praise for this one.


As much as I like Brunson, and I like him a lot. Always happy when the Mavs hit on a draft pick outside of the lottery (it doesn't happen very often, unfortunately).

Man, has anyone been paying attention to what the guy taken the next pick after Jalen has been doing? I'm talking about Devonte' Graham.

Holy Cow! This guy knocked down 10 triples for the Hornets tonight.

18.0 ppg 7.7 apg (8th in the league). With Kemba departing, Graham has really been able to showcase what he can do. He's outplayed Terry Rozier so far, and maybe he's just more talented.

Mitchell Robinson, the human blocked shot with the Knicks, was 2 picks after Graham, fwiw.


Edit: The brightside to all of that is, CHA beat GSW tonight. GSW has the worst record in the league. The Mavs have their 2nd round pick this year, which is shaping up to be the 31st overall pick. In almost every draft, good players are available right up until about pick 45 or so. The odds of getting a starter-level player increase the more you go up from the 45th spot. So, if the Mavs wind up with the 31st pick or 32nd, 33rd, 34th, etc. They should have a good shot at adding a good player to this team. Provided their scouting department is locked in, and provided the Front Office (*cough* Cuban *cough*) have the good sense to listen to them.
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Post#114 » by DJ_3_Ball » Thu Dec 5, 2019 6:00 am

dakomish23 wrote:This bench is deep. If they could somehow turn Lee / GSW 2nd into another starting caliber player, 50 wins goes from possible to probable


I'd favor the Mavs in their next 4 games. Then they have @ MIL and vs BOS. That'll be 27 games into the season, roughly 1/3 of the way through.

Let's say they go 3-3 over that stretch. It wouldn't shock me at all, if they go 5-1. But, let's say 3-3.

That'd put them on pace for 54 wins.

50 wins is already probable.

I just mentioned about how Jalen Brunson, Devonte' Graham, and Mitchell Robinson were all early 2nd round picks 2 years ago. If you're smart & have an eye for talent. Good talent is available every year early to mid 2nd round. As bad as GSW has been this season, that GSW 2nd round pick the Mavs have could easily be the 31st overall; essentially a late 1st.

No way, I want to give that away. The only thing this team needs to win 55 games this season is to stay healthy.

Just my two cents.
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Post#115 » by dakomish23 » Thu Dec 5, 2019 6:13 am

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dakomish23 wrote:This bench is deep. If they could somehow turn Lee / GSW 2nd into another starting caliber player, 50 wins goes from possible to probable


I'd favor the Mavs in their next 4 games. Then they have @ MIL and vs BOS. That'll be 27 games into the season, roughly 1/3 of the way through.

Let's say they go 3-3 over that stretch. It wouldn't shock me at all, if they go 5-1. But, let's say 3-3.

That'd put them on pace for 54 wins.

50 wins is already probable.

I just mentioned about how Jalen Brunson, Devonte' Graham, and Mitchell Robinson were all early 2nd round picks 2 years ago. If you're smart & have an eye for talent. Good talent is available every year early to mid 2nd round. As bad as GSW has been this season, that GSW 2nd round pick the Mavs have could easily be the 31st overall; essentially a late 1st.

No way, I want to give that away. The only thing this team needs to win 55 games this season is to stay healthy.

Just my two cents.


Don’t sleep on that MIA team. That’s going to be a good game.

I also wouldn’t trust the win pace this early. It’s a very long NBA season & you never know how things play out. Looks good so far.

Agreed that 2nd round picks that high are valuable. If they can get a legitimate long term starter, I think they’ll move the pick, though. I’d save it for someone worth it, not just some guy who’s already on the wrong side of the age curve. Two guys I like for this roster are Porter and Turner. Would cost more than then GSW 2nd / expiring but when you have a foundation set like this, I’d personally pay a higher price for a more quality long term fit than just getting some guy for the next year.
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Post#116 » by Darren » Thu Dec 5, 2019 6:17 am

With Powell out for awhile, should the Mavs consider FA big available?
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Post#117 » by DJ_3_Ball » Thu Dec 5, 2019 6:38 am

Darren wrote:With Powell out for awhile, should the Mavs consider FA big available?


First, let's see if Maxi can handle a starter's role and 32+ mpg. I mean, it's about time. Kleber could of seen A LOT of minutes his rookie year, and should have with us "trying" to tank (in my opinion, they didn't, and it cost us Cam Reddish. Not that I'm high on Reddish or anything, but there would be an asset to trade right about now, ya know when one would come in real handy).

Kleber played 16 mpg that season. Why? Because Carlisle doesn't trust rookies. Smh.

Instead, he outsmarted everyone with 27.8 mpg for Yogi Ferrell, 22.9 mpg for Doug McDermott, 16.0 mpg for Jonathan Motley, and the most painful of all, 33.8 mpg for Wes Matthews---although, Wes Matthews bricked several potential game-winners that season, so he was low-key the Mavs' MVP that year helping us to pile up the losses.

71 games played last season for Maxi. 18 starts.

It's time to see what Maxi can do. I hope Powell isn't out too long, but the silver-lining is maybe Carlisle is forced to give Maxi a real role with this team. Imo, he's earned it. He played his butt off tonight!
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Re: RS 19/20 - G21 - Mavs vs Wolves 

Post#118 » by DJ_3_Ball » Thu Dec 5, 2019 6:42 am

dakomish23 wrote:Don’t sleep on that MIA team. That’s going to be a good game.

I also wouldn’t trust the win pace this early. It’s a very long NBA season & you never know how things play out. Looks good so far.

Agreed that 2nd round picks that high are valuable. If they can get a legitimate long term starter, I think they’ll move the pick, though. I’d save it for someone worth it, not just some guy who’s already on the wrong side of the age curve. Two guys I like for this roster are Porter and Turner. Would cost more than then GSW 2nd / expiring but when you have a foundation set like this, I’d personally pay a higher price for a more quality long term fit than just getting some guy for the next year.



Which Porter and which Turner?


No, you're right about the early season win pace. The Mavs have had a favorable schedule, so far. But, also, they went into LA & kicked the Lakers' ass on Sunday. The same Lakers team that just went back-to-back Wins @ DEN and @ UTH. The hardest B2B in the NBA.

The Mavs are for real. Enough to keep up this win pace? Time will tell, but I'm leaning towards Yes.

That MIA game will be the 2nd night of a Back to Back for them. Mavs will be well rested. MIA will play LAL the night before in MIA, and then travel from the Eastern time zone to the Central time zone. Not saying the Heat don't stand a chance, they're a good team. But, those circumstances favor the Mavs, for sure.

This is a Mavs team who could very easily be 19-8 at the 27 game point. Then all ya gotta go is 31-24 the rest of the way to get to 50 wins. Not exactly mission impossible for this team.
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Re: RS 19/20 - G21 - Mavs vs Wolves 

Post#119 » by minimus » Thu Dec 5, 2019 10:08 am

A MIN fan here. You guys have a solid team, I have been rooting for you since that championship year. It is a joy to me to see you playing smart basketball. Luka is fantastic, he deserved to play in a good organisation (sorry SAC and ATL). I should give credit to your front office, these guys have done a heck of work to build this roster where players really fit well.

P.S. Will be rooting for you in playoffs, unless we play against you :)
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Post#120 » by leolozon » Thu Dec 5, 2019 11:34 am

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leolozon wrote:Great win thanks to the bench.

It’s officially the game where I disliked the most the Way Doncic Was playing. It looks as if he was only looking for himself out there. He was not being a good floor manager. That last 3pt he shot was just a bad decision and he painted himself in a corner.

Really disappointed. It feels as though all the hype is going to his head and he’s trying to do everything alone. Where is the great passing game?

The worst is that in a normal reffed game he would have been something like 8/19 and 28pts. So no bad.


I agree after this one game we can officially declare it. Dončič is a power hungry selfish c*** sucker

Was that the gist of it?


I mean cmon people. I am also not happy with how Dončič played tonight and extremely happy to see the likes of Powell and the return of Brunson making the difference. Now that is simply great and much needed!


No. How is the hyperbole going? What was the point?

Huge Doncic fan, but it did seem like he was looking more for himself. At one point Curry was alone at the 3pt line waving his arms while Luka was at middle court. Doncic decided to not throw the ball and slowly walked to look for his own shot, as Curry looked annoyed at the decision.

I’m sure it will come back.

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