2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 1)

[robillionaire]

The kids like LaMelo. They think he's cool. Nobody cares about these other dudes. Make the Knicks cool again. We need some more instagram highlights and stuff if we ever want a free agent to come. When I said it earlier I was joking but the more I think about it that's what the NBA is now.

[Spree2Houston]

LaMelo Ball will go top 3 bc of Social Media

[TheScout31]

Why is no one talking about Killian Hayes???
Dude is Luka like in the pick and roll.
But electric athletically and just as elite a passer.

A little wild but man, gun to my head I’m drafting him over Cole and RJ Hampton. And if the Euro history here is a deterrent it adds even more to the case for this regime to not be the ones making this selection anyway.

And I’d even think long and hard picking him over Lamelo just because of the circus Ball kids bring.

I’ve made a bunch of videos on his game on Twitter.

He’s not electric athletically, but his PnR passing is elite. He’s flashed some really nice step back Js (footwork and makes), which is nice. Defense comes and goes, but there is potential.

[knickstape4ever]

Anthony Edwards vs NC Central:

21 PTS (FG: 8-15, 3PT: 4-8, REB: 2, AST: 4, STL: 2, TO: 1)

This is the guy! Sign FVV or trade for DLO to run the point. I’m even ok with Frank.

Frank+Edwards+RJ+sign a scoring PF+Mitch

Morris would actually be a great fit at the 4 in that lineup imo; tho, if they can get a 1st for him at the deadline, I'd still do it

[spree2kawhi]

This is the guy! Sign FVV or trade for DLO to run the point. I’m even ok with Frank.

Frank+Edwards+RJ+sign a scoring PF+Mitch

Morris would actually be a great fit at the 4 in that lineup imo; tho, if they can get a 1st for him at the deadline, I'd still do it

... with a coach that forces him to pass the ball...

[Richard4444]

About Wiseman, I fear picking a Big with a Top 10 pick. If we analise the 50 players drafted in 2013-2017 drafts with Top 10 picks, we have:

Bigs (18) -> Star 3 (Embiid, Towns, KP), Good 5 (Zeller, Randle, Zach, Lauri and Poetl), Busts 10 (Okafor, WCS, Kaminski, Bender, Criss, Maker, Bennet, Len, Noel and Vanleh).

Wings (17) > Star 3 (Ingram, Tatum, Oladipo), Good 9 (Otto Porter, Buddy, Isaac, Gordon, Wiggins, Jabari, Justise, Brown, KCP), Busts 5 (Mario, Stanley, Mclemore, Stauskas, Josh Jackson).

PG/Combos Guards (15): Stars 5 (DLo, Simmons, Jamal, Fox, CJ), Good 4 (Frank, Lonzo, Payton, Smart), Bust 6 (Mud, Fultz, DSJr, Burke, Dunn, Exum). I didnt analise the 2018 and 19 draft because its too soon, but we already know Doncic and Trae are sure stars.

I think wings are less bust risky and PGs have more odds to become stars. Bigs are risk business. Scouts apparently cant identify good prospects and a bunch of stars bigs are second rounders.

[EricAnderson]

This draft class is such trash. I wish we could fast forward to the following draft which is loaded lol

[Spree2Houston]

2021 Draft

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[Spree2Houston]

After taking a look at the 2021 Draft, I'm actually hoping for Wiseman now. We can hopefully get Wiseman this year and one of Green/Cunningham/Green next year

[HEZI]

Every year lol

[TheScout31]

Every year lol

The 2021 draft though really is great. Any of the three guys Spree posted would be #1 in this year's draft and would have gone 2nd last year. Plus, it's pretty obvious the Knicks will be tanking for a while.



Anyways, Okoro is awesome:

Read on Twitter

Sean East is someone to keep an eye on:

Read on Twitter

[HEZI]

Every year lol

The 2021 draft though really is great. Any of the three guys Spree posted would be #1 in this year's draft and would have gone 2nd last year. Plus, it's pretty obvious the Knicks will be tanking for a while.



Anyways, Okoro is awesome:

Read on Twitter

Sean East is someone to keep an eye on:

Read on Twitter

Nonsense

We are a week into December and already jumping to these conclusions for next year. Happens every year.

None of those dudes look better than Cam Reddish did in HS so lets calm down

[Jstock12]

About Wiseman, I fear picking a Big with a Top 10 pick. If we analise the 50 players drafted in 2013-2017 drafts with Top 10 picks, we have:

Bigs (18) -> Star 3 (Embiid, Towns, KP), Good 5 (Zeller, Randle, Zach, Lauri and Poetl), Busts 10 (Okafor, WCS, Kaminski, Bender, Criss, Maker, Bennet, Len, Noel and Vanleh).

Wings (17) > Star 3 (Ingram, Tatum, Oladipo), Good 9 (Otto Porter, Buddy, Isaac, Gordon, Wiggins, Jabari, Justise, Brown, KCP), Busts 5 (Mario, Stanley, Mclemore, Stauskas, Josh Jackson).

PG/Combos Guards (15): Stars 5 (DLo, Simmons, Jamal, Fox, CJ), Good 4 (Frank, Lonzo, Payton, Smart), Bust 6 (Mud, Fultz, DSJr, Burke, Dunn, Exum). I didnt analise the 2018 and 19 draft because its too soon, but we already know Doncic and Trae are sure stars.

I think wings are less bust risky and PGs have more odds to become stars. Bigs are risk business. Scouts apparently cant identify good prospects and a bunch of stars bigs are second rounders.

Did you miss Sabonis? I think he classifies as a good big. There's also Olynyk who's pretty servicable.

[3toheadmelo]

After taking a look at the 2021 Draft, I'm actually hoping for Wiseman now. We can hopefully get Wiseman this year and one of Green/Cunningham/Green next year

Jalen green dropped 33 last night



Let me get

Fred van fleet/DSJ
Jalen Green/Frank Ntilikina
RJ Barrett/Kevin Knox
Brandon Ingram/Julius Randle
James Wiseman/Mitchell Robinson

That’s a whole squad

[TheScout31]

Every year lol

The 2021 draft though really is great. Any of the three guys Spree posted would be #1 in this year's draft and would have gone 2nd last year. Plus, it's pretty obvious the Knicks will be tanking for a while.



Anyways, Okoro is awesome:

Read on Twitter

Sean East is someone to keep an eye on:

Read on Twitter

Nonsense

We are a week into December and already jumping to these conclusions for next year. Happens every year.

None of those dudes look better than Cam Reddish did in HS so lets calm down

Unless the Knicks add a) competent coaching b) more talent (that fits) and c) have players take big jumps, yeah, they'll very likely be in the lotto again next year.

As far as the guys in Spree's videos - you don't have to take my word for it, or believe me, but I don't care lol. I know what I've seen and I know what people I trust have said. Cade, Jalen, and Jalen are legit.

[Jstock12]

Apologies in advance, I do not really follow college hoops nor prospects too much. Can someone tell me what Wiseman's strengths and weaknesses are? I've just watched a highlights video of him posting a 28/11/3 line, but he didn't really show anything in that video that DeAndre Jordan can't do. If you could give me a quick recap of why he's so highly touted, I'd appreciate it.

[TheScout31]

Apologies in advance, I do not really follow college hoops nor prospects too much. Can someone tell me what Wiseman's strengths and weaknesses are? I've just watched a highlights video of him posting a 28/11/3 line, but he didn't really show anything in that video that DeAndre Jordan can't do. If you could give me a quick recap of why he's so highly touted, I'd appreciate it.

Strength: size/measurements, straight line speed (he's a gazelle), pop when he has time to load, maybe long term shooting ability (C&S, maybe??), rim protection when he sees play, and rebounding.

Weaknesses: lateral movement (stiff hips, doesn't turn well), does not have much vertical pop in tight spaces, poor shot IQ and thinks he's a really skilled offensive player (he's not), poor passing feel, defensive IQ still needs work (though 2 games it looked better than the low bar he set in HS, lol), and not a fan of his touch in paint.

He's only highly touted by those who haven't done much HW - he's not as highly touted by those who've done extensive scouting. That's basically a quick strength/weakness.

[HEZI]

The 2021 draft though really is great. Any of the three guys Spree posted would be #1 in this year's draft and would have gone 2nd last year. Plus, it's pretty obvious the Knicks will be tanking for a while.



Anyways, Okoro is awesome:

Read on Twitter

Sean East is someone to keep an eye on:

Read on Twitter

Nonsense

We are a week into December and already jumping to these conclusions for next year. Happens every year.

None of those dudes look better than Cam Reddish did in HS so lets calm down

Unless the Knicks add a) competent coaching b) more talent (that fits) and c) have players take big jumps, yeah, they'll very likely be in the lotto again next year.

As far as the guys in Spree's videos - you don't have to take my word for it, or believe me, but I don't care lol. I know what I've seen and I know what people I trust have said. Cade, Jalen, and Jalen are legit.

Never said they are or aren't legit but brushing off this years class this early is foolishness

[TheScout31]

Nonsense

We are a week into December and already jumping to these conclusions for next year. Happens every year.

None of those dudes look better than Cam Reddish did in HS so lets calm down

Unless the Knicks add a) competent coaching b) more talent (that fits) and c) have players take big jumps, yeah, they'll very likely be in the lotto again next year.

As far as the guys in Spree's videos - you don't have to take my word for it, or believe me, but I don't care lol. I know what I've seen and I know what people I trust have said. Cade, Jalen, and Jalen are legit.

Never said they are or aren't legit but brushing off this years class this early is foolishness

It's not as much "brushing off this year's class" as it is next year's class simply being better, but ok, I get where you're coming from.

[3toheadmelo]

Apologies in advance, I do not really follow college hoops nor prospects too much. Can someone tell me what Wiseman's strengths and weaknesses are? I've just watched a highlights video of him posting a 28/11/3 line, but he didn't really show anything in that video that DeAndre Jordan can't do. If you could give me a quick recap of why he's so highly touted, I'd appreciate it.

Strength: size/measurements, straight line speed (he's a gazelle), pop when he has time to load, maybe long term shooting ability (C&S, maybe??), rim protection when he sees play, and rebounding.

Weaknesses: lateral movement (stiff hips, doesn't turn well), does not have much vertical pop in tight spaces, poor shot IQ and thinks he's a really skilled offensive player (he's not), poor passing feel, defensive IQ still needs work (though 2 games it looked better than the low bar he set in HS, lol), and not a fan of his touch in paint.

He's only highly touted by those who haven't done much HW - he's not as highly touted by those who've done extensive scouting. That's basically a quick strength/weakness.

DX scouts for a living and they are very high on him. So I am not sure why you would say that.

And a lot of the weaknesses you listed are from high school. I’ve yet to see any poor shot IQ or passing in college. And he is a much better defender than he was in high school as well. He is too jumpy and sometimes misses rotations but his motor has been great for the most part. I’d bet on him improving given his improvements and work ethic.