Bucks News, Trades, Transactions - CP3/Gallo trade idea pg.81

Baddy Chuck · Post #1181 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 2:47 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Eh, there's a difference between "Lopez sucks" and not wanting to give up assets to pay RoLo's $12 mil expiring, re: the debates last season.

The Jason Smith/Thon Maker combo was quite the pool.

Ron Swanson · Post #1182 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 2:54 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Eh, there's a difference between "Lopez sucks" and not wanting to give up assets to pay RoLo's $12 mil expiring, re: the debates last season.

The Jason Smith/Thon Maker combo was quite the pool.

Would still trade Thon for Mirotic over RoLo 10/10 times. No regrets there.

DingleJerry · Post #1183 » by **DingleJerry** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 3:06 pm

Yea watching that Det game last week I said to myself yup Thon still sucks. But Wood actually looks like a competent NBA player. Kinda like a lot of us jabronis on here thought. I looked at Wood's stats and he's getting like 10/5 in 15 mins a game. Not bad at all. I'm sure if he was playing 30 mins a game his team wouldn't win though, but seems he's at least an NBA player. Something Thon has essentially never shown.

Post #1184 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 4:11 pm

DingleJerry wrote:Yea watching that Det game last week I said to myself yup Thon still sucks. But Wood actually looks like a competent NBA player. Kinda like a lot of us jabronis on here thought. I looked at Wood's stats and he's getting like 10/5 in 15 mins a game. Not bad at all. I'm sure if he was playing 30 mins a game his team wouldn't win though, but seems he's at least an NBA player. Something Thon has essentially never shown.

Wood is definitely making some of us look good with Detroit. Pistons coaches are raving about his ability. Maker is so bad...

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #1185 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 4:51 pm

buy out market is the only thing im interested in. keep the indy pick in the hole if injury strikes or to actually draft with.

All The Bucks · Post #1186 » by **All The Bucks** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 4:59 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:buy out market is the only thing im interested in. keep the indy pick in the hole if injury strikes or to actually draft with.

Yep. If the Indy pick is going to wind up being another DDV or heck someone even better, let's run a name up to the podium ourselves. There's also winning to be done after Giannis signs his extension.

KidA24 · Post #1187 » by **KidA24** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 5:01 pm

Sporos wrote:I think we signed Korver for two reasons.
1. To help us in the playoffs games.
2. To help his teammates with his shooting technique.

3. Do the contagious little things that coaches harp on that don't make a huge difference when whooping bad teams in the regular season, but are the difference between an open 3 and a 5-seconds left on the clock bailout in the post season.

Wes, Hill and Korver have all been doing those things. The little sneaky back screens, moving without the ball, making the extra pass.

raferfenix · Post #1188 » by **raferfenix** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 5:21 pm

Could see either of these scenarios being our current stance:

1. The Bucks are happy with having a 'SG by committee' approach. This includes Wes as a defensive stopper in the starting lineup + Donte / Pat / Brown providing energy off the bench, with Korver available for spot minutes as a 3-point sniper who will improve as he grows more comfortable in our system. This makes sense if we view Donte in particular as a long term piece who will play an increasingly large role, including more and more minutes this season as he develops.

2. The Bucks would like to improve the starting SG spot for this season's championship push with more of a 3-point sniper who is a clear cut starter like J.J. Redick, or at least a player who can play heavier minutes off the bench like Bogdanovic. We lose some defense but offense gains a lot, with the attitude that the committee approach isn't preferable come playoff time when defenses tighten. We would have to send out a few rotation players with modest sized contracts as well to make the salaries work such as Ersan / DJ / RoLo who we would try to replace from the waiver wire or other transactions.

raferfenix · Post #1189 » by **raferfenix** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 5:36 pm

We know Bud loves him some Ersan.

But more than Redick?

Pacers pick + Ersan + DJ for J.J. works contractually.

Maybe we'd include Korver or Brown or Pat since their minutes would be eaten up either way.

We would go from deep to very thin at the backup 4 spot is one consideration. We could include Wes vs DJ if that is really a concern, but losing Matthews seems like it'd hurt a lot more.

Alternatively RoLo + DJ + Matthews works...but that's a ton of defensive toughness for us to lose.

Not sure if the Bucks do either of these. J.J. is more talented than all these guys but it could hit our on and off court chemistry.

Scenario #1 I posted about above seems more likely, at least for right now.

There is time before the deadline if we decide to make a bigger change -- which could be foisted upon us if injuries occur -- especially since trading Ersan in a suit is different than Ersan on the court.

LuessiT · Post #1190 » by **LuessiT** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 6:10 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
LuessiT wrote:RoLo is pretty good at doing so offensively (but we're only slowly learning to utilize him) but on defense he's been bad. If he doesn't figure that end out, we're better off just going small.

With Giannis and Rolo on the court we have 97.6 defensive rating, or in other words really **** good. What are they figuring out? How to be the 04 Pistons?

Also should mention again that Robin Lopez is #3 in the league at defense near the rim. Pick and roll defense puts him at the 93rd percentile at .6 PPP.

I'm talking about perimeter defense when opposing lineups are going small. Lopez is definitely valuable defensively facing opposing big men. This isn't really that hard to understand. This is not the typical 'Lopez sucks'-post even if you took it that way.

slos · Post #1191 » by **slos** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 6:12 pm

Another thing that makes DDV untouchable IMO is the fact that he will make only 4,6 mil the year that Giannis' supermax kicks in. Along with Bled, Midds and BroLo they will probably still be our starting 5 in 2021, which will cost 120 mil (counting Leuer and Sanders). Taking money into account Bucks will absolutely need Indy's pick (currently #19) and their 2021 FRP (something close to #30) to become good and cheap role players.

That said I'm expecting minor to none trades moving forward. Giannis loves Midds, who is overpaid but still a top 10 wing. Lopez is an ideal fit next to Giannis and we already chose Bledsoe over Brogdon. We need DDV and the picks, so what's left to trade? Sure, we could sell the farm if a superstar like Lillard becomes available, but this is highly unlikely to happen.

Bud and Horst need to keep making all that sneaky signings like Brook, Wes, Pat (some could add Ersan, RoLo, Korver even Thanasis). And keep developing Brown, Wilson, Bender to take the spots when the vets get older.

MidnightBuck · Post #1192 » by **MidnightBuck** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 6:17 pm

raferfenix wrote:Pacers pick + Ersan + DJ for J.J. works contractually.

Maybe we'd include Korver or Brown or Pat since their minutes would be eaten up either way.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy too much.

raferfenix · Post #1193 » by **raferfenix** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 6:25 pm

MidnightBuck wrote:
raferfenix wrote:Pacers pick + Ersan + DJ for J.J. works contractually.

Maybe we'd include Korver or Brown or Pat since their minutes would be eaten up either way.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy too much.

I don't think it's too much from an objective trade value standpoint.

However, I could definitely see the Bucks passing considering how much Bud trusts Ersan in particular.

I like DJ but I'm not sure if Bud really does.

Otherwise 2 years of a starting SG at fair money for a mid-to-late 1st seems ok considering we're gunning for a ring as well as a long term commitment from Giannis this year.

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #1194 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 7:05 pm

MAC1987 wrote:
Jimmmycrackcorn wrote:Redick is a near perfect fit....and being signed through next year makes him an even better

the Pels won't want scraps...they'll want young controllable talent and picks

probably wouldn't get anywhere in talks without DDV and the Pacers pick for starters
I think you are on crack. No way DDV should be included in a trade for JJ.

The impact DDV makes, minus scoring, is huge.

At this point if DDV is traded we are getting better than 35 year old JJ....

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relax..... i never said DDV SHOULD be traded....I'm saying the Pels don't even respond to negotiations unless you start with a package like that

Ron Swanson · Post #1195 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 8:02 pm

Nah, not parting with either Donte or a 1st round pick for Reddick, and I'm the one who originally brought it up. Now that I looked more into it, I don't see a good way to make the salary work either.

leroyjw10 · Post #1196 » by **leroyjw10** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 8:12 pm

raferfenix wrote:
MidnightBuck wrote:
raferfenix wrote:Pacers pick + Ersan + DJ for J.J. works contractually.

Maybe we'd include Korver or Brown or Pat since their minutes would be eaten up either way.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy too much.

I don't think it's too much from an objective trade value standpoint.

However, I could definitely see the Bucks passing considering how much Bud trusts Ersan in particular.

I like DJ but I'm not sure if Bud really does.

Otherwise 2 years of a starting SG at fair money for a mid-to-late 1st seems ok considering we're gunning for a ring as well as a long term commitment from Giannis this year.

I don't think there's any way they trade both Ersan and D.J. Depletes the big-man depth too much.

LuessiT · Post #1197 » by **LuessiT** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 9:11 pm

I don't even think JJ is worth that much to this team.

ShootingtheJ · Post #1198 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 9:29 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
LuessiT wrote:RoLo is pretty good at doing so offensively (but we're only slowly learning to utilize him) but on defense he's been bad. If he doesn't figure that end out, we're better off just going small.

With Giannis and Rolo on the court we have 97.6 defensive rating, or in other words really **** good.

Yes, Giannis is unbelievably good. We already knew that. What were looking for are other players who are good on their own. That's not RoLo.

Arkaik · Post #1199 » by **Arkaik** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 9:55 pm

Rolo has been pretty good I think considering he makes $4.8 mil. You won't find much better for that price.

Not sure about Reddick. His shooting would be awesome but it he'd give some of it back on defense. Regular season we could cover him defensively but in the post season he'd be the first guy every team targets.

And we can't trade Donte unless it's for a star. Kids one of the most disruptive guards in the league. It's a super rare skill in a player who doesn't gamble and muck up the team defense.

Chuck Diesel · Post #1200 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 9:59 pm

I’m a big Sterling Brown fan and probably agree with any reasons people prefer to keep him, but I do wonder if we could extract an asset for him and replace him with someone fairly comparable from the scrap heap. I also wonder if there’s anything to the “doing right by a guy” mantra we’ve seen in years past. Like, I’m pretty confident Sterling would be playing 25 minutes every night in Portland. Would they flip their second round pick for him? Brooklyn needs to release one of David Nwaba or Iman Shumpert soon with Wilson Chandler’s pending return. Corey Brewer is still out there. Would one of those guys + a decent 2nd be better for us than Sterling? It’s always nice to have an open roster spot during buyout season. Just wonder if there’s something there with a guy entering free agency.