Bucks News, Trades, Transactions - CP3/Gallo trade idea pg.81

[Jez2983]

Yea watching that Det game last week I said to myself yup Thon still sucks. But Wood actually looks like a competent NBA player. Kinda like a lot of us jabronis on here thought. I looked at Wood's stats and he's getting like 10/5 in 15 mins a game. Not bad at all. I'm sure if he was playing 30 mins a game his team wouldn't win though, but seems he's at least an NBA player. Something Thon has essentially never shown.

Wood is definitely making some of us look good with Detroit. Pistons coaches are raving about his ability. Maker is so bad...

Reading between the lines Wood's talent in recent times has not been the issue, it's more the off-court stuff. I'm not sure that's even a work ethic thing now, taking a huge leap of judgement I think he may have an abrasive personality. I guess it gets tolerated in stars but not bench guys?

[Baddy Chuck]

RoLo is pretty good at doing so offensively (but we're only slowly learning to utilize him) but on defense he's been bad. If he doesn't figure that end out, we're better off just going small.

With Giannis and Rolo on the court we have 97.6 defensive rating, or in other words really **** good.

Yes, Giannis is unbelievably good. We already knew that. What were looking for are other players who are good on their own. That's not RoLo.

And when your investing major assets, yeah, you're probably looking for those players. When you're investing $2-4 million you're probably looking for guys who can contribute to your team in ways that help you win basketball games. As tough as it must be for you after your (continued) parade of "he's done, can't help the team" posts about Rolo and Matthews, those guys are doing just that.

[LuessiT]

I’m a big Sterling Brown fan and probably agree with any reasons people prefer to keep him, but I do wonder if we could extract an asset for him and replace him with someone fairly comparable from the scrap heap. I also wonder if there’s anything to the “doing right by a guy” mantra we’ve seen in years past. Like, I’m pretty confident Sterling would be playing 25 minutes every night in Portland. Would they flip their second round pick for him? Brooklyn needs to release one of David Nwaba or Iman Shumpert soon with Wilson Chandler’s pending return. Corey Brewer is still out there. Would one of those guys + a decent 2nd be better for us than Sterling? It’s always nice to have an open roster spot during buyout season. Just wonder if there’s something there with a guy entering free agency.

The question to me is who we replace him with. We have 13 legit rotation players but #14 & #15 are not close to contributing. Brewer e.g. doesn't do anything for me but some buyout candidates or trade targets from different teams might. That said the offer for Brown would have to be significant enough to go through the trouble of finding replacement. And we definitely would need replacement.

[LuessiT]

A player I'd love to get that hasn't been mentioned yet is Marcus Smart. Now I don't expect Boston to simply trade him to us but if he's collateral in a bigger trade (e.g. Love) we may be able to snap him up.

[BucksFanSD]

Would love Terrance Ross in our Korver role and taking some of Wes' minutes. Would need to figure out the added salary though. I think Ross could really light it up from 3 on this team.

Orlando: Ilyasova, Bender, Mason, Korver or Brown, Pacers 1st
Bucks: Terrance Ross, Orlando 2nd rounder

[drone3]

Love would fit well with the Jazz, not sure if they have the pieces. Exum + someone?

[LuessiT]

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Love would fit well with the Jazz, not sure if they have the pieces. Exum + someone?

They would have to send out like 23m so Exum + 13m. Don't think that is feasable. Portland seems like the most likely to me. They have Bazemore to match. Maybe Miami but they are hard capped. Chicago if they try to win now for OPJ? The problem is that Cleveland is rebuilding so they don't particularly care about good players back but want to maximize assets. So ideally a package contains bad salary + lots of assets. Not sure if that is out there.

[buckbeer]

We know Bud loves him some Ersan.

But more than Redick?

Pacers pick + Ersan + DJ for J.J. works contractually.

What about trade Bledsoe for JJ Redick?

Redick is an elite 3pt shooter and he could be more useful than Bledsoe in spacing the floor for Giannis. And our PG position is pretty solid with the DDV and Hill rotation, and Frank Mason waiting in the wings.

PG: DiVincenzo, Hill, Mason
SG: Reddick, Connaughton, Brown
SF: Middleton, Matthews, Korver
PF: Giannis, Ersan, Wilson
C: Brook, Robin, Bender

[ShootingtheJ]

With Giannis and Rolo on the court we have 97.6 defensive rating, or in other words really **** good.

Yes, Giannis is unbelievably good. We already knew that. What were looking for are other players who are good on their own. That's not RoLo.

And when your investing major assets, yeah, you're probably looking for those players. When you're investing $2-4 million you're probably looking for guys who can contribute to your team in ways that help you win basketball games. As tough as it must be for you after your (continued) parade of "he's done, can't help the team" posts about Rolo and Matthews, those guys are doing just that.

Robin Lopez has been a replacement level player for the Bucks, and he's a $9.77 million investment. Those are facts, unlike what you've shared.

[Baddy Chuck]

Yes, Giannis is unbelievably good. We already knew that. What were looking for are other players who are good on their own. That's not RoLo.

And when your investing major assets, yeah, you're probably looking for those players. When you're investing $2-4 million you're probably looking for guys who can contribute to your team in ways that help you win basketball games. As tough as it must be for you after your (continued) parade of "he's done, can't help the team" posts about Rolo and Matthews, those guys are doing just that.

Robin Lopez has been a replacement level player for the Bucks, and he's a $9.77 million investment. Those are facts, unlike what you've shared.

What I've shared? You mean literal facts with quantifiable data showing he's actually been pretty good?

But yeah, let's keep believing facts like this one:

The team has been much better when they use 2 PFs.

[LuessiT]

We know Bud loves him some Ersan.

But more than Redick?

Pacers pick + Ersan + DJ for J.J. works contractually.

What about trade Bledsoe for JJ Redick?

Redick is an elite 3pt shooter and he could be more useful than Bledsoe in spacing the floor for Giannis. And our PG position is pretty solid with the DDV and Hill rotation, and Frank Mason waiting in the wings.

PG: DiVincenzo, Hill, Mason
SG: Reddick, Connaughton, Brown
SF: Middleton, Matthews, Korver
PF: Giannis, Ersan, Wilson
C: Brook, Robin, Bender

Dear god. This trade would cost us 10 wins.

[Ron Swanson]

The only thing Frank Mason should be waiting in the wings for is the opportunity to waive a towel. And I like Frank Mason.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

thought redick would be a target back before the season started. not anymore. the only real piece we sort of theoretically have to trade I don't want to trade... that's ersan. in fact id like to resign him. maybe I could see some little deal involving brown if the buyout market opens up some options as has already been suggested.....we can cross that bridge when we get to it and a lot has to do how brown feels about things.

we don't need to make a deal. i know that's crazy and it sucks for the board but we just really shouldn't mess with this formula right now.

[Baddy Chuck]

Redick is just a poor man's Patty Mills with a mediocre podcast.

[raferfenix]

Nah, not parting with either Donte or a 1st round pick for Reddick, and I'm the one who originally brought it up. Now that I looked more into it, I don't see a good way to make the salary work either.

I don't think there's any way they trade both Ersan and D.J. Depletes the big-man depth too much.

Thoughts:

1. I definitely would not trade Donte for J.J. For that matter, if the Bucks see him as a long term starer (or a top 6th man), then maintaining ample developmental minutes (so he's where he needs to be come playoff time) is another reason to be hesitant in these kind of trades.

2. I care less about the 1st in and of itself rather the opportunity cost of what else we could get for it. Maybe the team plans to keep and use the pick...but even if Giannis pulls a Kyrie and says he wants to stay, it's risky not to do everything we possibly can to win a championship this season while we can. Because even if we do win a ring Giannis could still pull a Lebron or Kawhi and leave.

3. The issue with the salary is a significant one since we'd have to trade either one of Bud's favorites in Ersan (and Giannis' primary backup) or a combination of defensive role players (Wes / RoLo / DJ).

4. Whether or not the Bucks (or the NBA at large) values DJ is one of the more significant questions we have for potential Bucks trades. This board likes him (including myself) but it's not clear how much Bud does. And if Bud thinks Bender or Thanos or a guy off the street can replace DJ then maybe we don't care about trading both him and Ersan. More broadly, if we don't see him as the heir apparent for Ersan or RoLo, then he might be more valuable for his contract which we can pair with our pick seeking an upgrade elsewhere.

[paulpressey25]

I’m a big Sterling Brown fan and probably agree with any reasons people prefer to keep him, but I do wonder if we could extract an asset for him and replace him with someone fairly comparable from the scrap heap. I also wonder if there’s anything to the “doing right by a guy” mantra we’ve seen in years past. Like, I’m pretty confident Sterling would be playing 25 minutes every night in Portland. Would they flip their second round pick for him? Brooklyn needs to release one of David Nwaba or Iman Shumpert soon with Wilson Chandler’s pending return. Corey Brewer is still out there. Would one of those guys + a decent 2nd be better for us than Sterling? It’s always nice to have an open roster spot during buyout season. Just wonder if there’s something there with a guy entering free agency.

I don’t think Sterling is super valuable and you can maybe replace him. That said, to GoS point, I have concerns about injuries. We have another four months of regular season grind. I’d much prefer keeping Sterling as insurance versus getting a second round pick for him.

[Ron Swanson]

Would rather keep Sterling around for what I see as the inevitable wing depth departures. Can't see Korver or Pat on this roster next season along with possibly Wes depending on finances. Sterling is the only guy from that group who you can cost control and you need those kind of players to supplement a relatively old roster outside of your core guys.

[emunney]

The only reason to trade for Redick would be to keep him away from a team that he could help. He would not do enough to open up the floor to make up for the problems he'd create defensively, much like Korver, who is at least big enough to body up forwards.

[soxperry]

Can you imagine if we traded another up and coming player for an even older jj reddick??

Good lord...

[Chuck Diesel]

With Sterling I do wonder how prolonged stretches of DNPCDs in his contract year weigh on him. Still hasn’t made any money, has proven himself relatively capable when called to step in. Does he look better/earn more being an 11th guy for a great team than the 7th man for something less? Whatever happens I’m confident he won’t pull a Thon & go public. NBA players want to play though.