Official trade Julius Randle thread

prophet_of_rage · Post #161 » by **prophet_of_rage** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:15 pm

Juco24 wrote:
robillionaire wrote:Still averages more points rebounds and assists on a higher FG% than KP and that’s even with being misused by a clown coach and not getting to play with one of the best guards in the history of basketball but with frank dsj and Elfrid Payton. Julius is here for 3 years and you will like it

The biggest problem I've had with Randle is turnovers and forcing the issue (probably due to trying to be a #1 option). Fizdale had Randle (A POWER FORWARD) initiating the offense and bringing the ball up... I NEVER UNDERSTOOD THAT!!

Dude plays hard EVERY night and tried (unsuccessfully) to be the #1 option. Hopefully under Miller we'll continue to see improved play in a SYSTEM set up to maximize strengths.

I defended Fiz.... but man did this dude suck

A lot of teams have their power forward initiate the offence in a delay action. Basically they remove defensive pressure by getting it to the 4 in the 4 out. He did the same thing with Vonleh, but Vinleh was just much better at it.

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oldshoolballer · Post #162 » by **oldshoolballer** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:44 pm

Kampuchea wrote:Fizdale had Randle playing as a point guard, of course he is going to look terrible.

This 100. Randle is not bad when you put him in the right position. He's a power player Elbow and low post is where he's most effective.This over dribbling trying to create off the dribble was a disaster.

Juco24 · Post #163 » by **Juco24** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:44 pm

prophet_of_rage wrote:
Juco24 wrote:
robillionaire wrote:Still averages more points rebounds and assists on a higher FG% than KP and that’s even with being misused by a clown coach and not getting to play with one of the best guards in the history of basketball but with frank dsj and Elfrid Payton. Julius is here for 3 years and you will like it

The biggest problem I've had with Randle is turnovers and forcing the issue (probably due to trying to be a #1 option). Fizdale had Randle (A POWER FORWARD) initiating the offense and bringing the ball up... I NEVER UNDERSTOOD THAT!!

Dude plays hard EVERY night and tried (unsuccessfully) to be the #1 option. Hopefully under Miller we'll continue to see improved play in a SYSTEM set up to maximize strengths.

I defended Fiz.... but man did this dude suck
A lot of teams have their power forward initiate the offence in a delay action. Basically they remove defensive pressure by getting it to the 4 in the 4 out. He did the same thing with Vonleh, but Vinleh was just much better at it.

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Not being argumentative as I honestly don't know the answer... but what other teams had their PG literally give the ball up to their PF the way JR did Frank?

I know Green does it but that's also a special case.

NYKnickerbocker · Post #164 » by **NYKnickerbocker** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:00 pm

Juco24 wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:
Juco24 wrote:
The biggest problem I've had with Randle is turnovers and forcing the issue (probably due to trying to be a #1 option). Fizdale had Randle (A POWER FORWARD) initiating the offense and bringing the ball up... I NEVER UNDERSTOOD THAT!!

Dude plays hard EVERY night and tried (unsuccessfully) to be the #1 option. Hopefully under Miller we'll continue to see improved play in a SYSTEM set up to maximize strengths.

I defended Fiz.... but man did this dude suck
A lot of teams have their power forward initiate the offence in a delay action. Basically they remove defensive pressure by getting it to the 4 in the 4 out. He did the same thing with Vonleh, but Vinleh was just much better at it.

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Not being argumentative as I honestly don't know the answer... but what other teams had their PG literally give the ball up to their PF the way JR did Frank?

I know Green does it but that's also a special case.

pistons do, pelicans will when Zion comes back. Pretty sure Siakim initiates some plays. If the guy has the skill set to do it. Teams will let em

Juco24 · Post #165 » by **Juco24** » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:24 pm

NYKnickerbocker wrote:
Juco24 wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:A lot of teams have their power forward initiate the offence in a delay action. Basically they remove defensive pressure by getting it to the 4 in the 4 out. He did the same thing with Vonleh, but Vinleh was just much better at it.

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Not being argumentative as I honestly don't know the answer... but what other teams had their PG literally give the ball up to their PF the way JR did Frank?

I know Green does it but that's also a special case.
pistons do, pelicans will when Zion comes back. Pretty sure Siakim initiates some plays. If the guy has the skill set to do it. Teams will let em

That's not a lot and to your point have the skills to do so. Successful (ala GS) great! But I really can't think of a LOT of PFs with the skill set to be good at it. I know Randle wasn't but was allowed to continue to do so under Fiz... haven't seen that pattern under Miller

GEOLINK · Post #166 » by **GEOLINK** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:27 am

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Marty McFly · Post #167 » by **Marty McFly** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:17 am

some of ya'll are not handling the KP break up all that well. :lol:

blanko · Post #168 » by **blanko** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:59 am

Randle wasnt put in a position to succeed. He was foeced to play his weaknesses rather thab playing to his strengths. Him playing with morris and portis at the same time only amplified the things he could do.

One of the biggest sins of fizdale was his lineups and playing all three pf at one time.

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Blockwatcher · Post #169 » by **Blockwatcher** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:15 am

Do you think trading randle might make other players untrusting of signing with the knicks in free agency?

robillionaire · Post #170 » by **robillionaire** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:16 am

Blockwatcher wrote:Do you think trading randle might make other players untrusting of signing with the knicks in free agency?

they already are

robillionaire · Post #171 » by **robillionaire** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:16 am

Marty McFly wrote:some of ya'll are not handling the KP break up all that well.

I hate people I break up with for the rest of my life I'm petty af

blanko · Post #172 » by **blanko** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:43 am

Marty McFly wrote:some of ya'll are not handling the KP break up all that well.

You are with us or aggin us

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Mike1989 · Post #173 » by **Mike1989** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:57 am

Blockwatcher wrote:Do you think trading randle might make other players untrusting of signing with the knicks in free agency?

Players already have concerns with signing for the Knicks in free agency, so I suspect trading Randle or any player we signed in free agency wouldn't really change anything as far as I'm concerned. Maybe it would for the players? I don't know. At the end of the day this is a rebuilding team and players with value are likely to be traded for assets to help that rebuild. It doesn't matter whether we are talking about the New York Knicks or the New Orleans Pelicans - when teams are rebuilding they are always open to asset acquisition if the deal is worth it for them.

Obviously there needs to be a clear plan going forward and that will likely to be to build around RJ and Mitch, plus whoever our 2020 first round pick is. Ok we have young players like Trier, Dotson, Smith, Frank and Knox to add into the mix as well but I would argue that they - much like Morris, Randle and Portis - would be available in the right trade. I don't think that trading any of them would put players off signing with us in 2020 because the players understand that it's part of the business. The NBA isn't like signing to play football/soccer for Real Madrid or Manchester United, those teams might accept a transfer offer for a player but that player then needs to agree to terms with that new club and they can always say 'no'. In the NBA, unless they have a no trade clause, they can be moved whenever and wherever their team wants them. That's the case in New York as much as it is New Orleans or Los Angeles.

At the end of the day we know that the Knicks aren't the draw in free agency that they proclaim to be. So I don't think trading Randle or any player acquired in free agency will change make players think twice before signing for us. The top players will arguably continue to shun us, but those players that get overpaid will still come here for that pay day even if they are off somewhere else in six months time.

thebuzzardman · Post #174 » by **thebuzzardman** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:41 pm

blanko wrote:Randle wasnt put in a position to succeed. He was foeced to play his weaknesses rather thab playing to his strengths. Him playing with morris and portis at the same time only amplified the things he could do.

One of the biggest sins of fizdale was his lineups and playing all three pf at one time.

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Randle looks better playing under Miller. Not great (because he's really not that good) but better.

I get that playing against two bum squads in the GSW and Sactown helps, but all 4 games. Small changes in usages, plays run, yes, Payton helps, but that's not the only reason, at all.

It was one of the maddening things about Fizdale. Sure,the team wasn't great, but it always felt like pretty small adjustments would have them looking better. It's still sh*t, but at least it smells a little nicer.

3toheadmelo · Post #175 » by **3toheadmelo** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:42 pm

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Gravy · Post #176 » by **Gravy** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:16 pm

GEOLINK wrote:

Read on Twitter

Randle turning the boos to cheers

Marty McFly · Post #177 » by **Marty McFly** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:27 pm

robillionaire wrote:
Marty McFly wrote:some of ya'll are not handling the KP break up all that well.

I hate people I break up with for the rest of my life I'm petty af

at least you're honest.

Marty McFly · Post #178 » by **Marty McFly** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:05 pm

Blockwatcher wrote:Do you think trading randle might make other players untrusting of signing with the knicks in free agency?

It's not like we've had great players beating down our doors in the first place and that shouldn't be this team's focus anyway. signing FA's like Randle was a massive mistake. signing guys in their prime to contracts that are essentially contract year contracts is not ever going to be conducive to building a consistent team culture.

HarthorneWingo · Post #179 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:06 pm

Gravy wrote:
GEOLINK wrote:

Read on Twitter

Randle turning the boos to cheers

Mike Miller is turning those boos into cheers. :lol:

But I'm glad Randle is paying attention to his new coach.

Juco24 · Post #180 » by **Juco24** » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:32 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
blanko wrote:Randle wasnt put in a position to succeed. He was foeced to play his weaknesses rather thab playing to his strengths. Him playing with morris and portis at the same time only amplified the things he could do.

One of the biggest sins of fizdale was his lineups and playing all three pf at one time.

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Randle looks better playing under Miller. Not great (because he's really not that good) but better.

I get that playing against two bum squads in the GSW and Sactown helps, but all 4 games. Small changes in usages, plays run, yes, Payton helps, but that's not the only reason, at all.

It was one of the maddening things about Fizdale. Sure,the team wasn't great, but it always felt like pretty small adjustments would have them looking better. It's still sh*t, but at least it smells a little nicer.

Great post.... small things add up. Often times you can OVERTHINK things. Miller has Randle going down on offense and setting up. That little tweak allows Randle to focus on himself as opposed to bringing the ball up and deciding whether to attack or pass. Sounds simple but like you said... small adjustments