NBA Trade Thread

[Onibuh]

Against better judgment, I keep flirting with the idea of trading for Chris Paul and his albatross contract because I think his passing ability has the potential to bring the most out of Lauri, Zach, and Carter. For that reason, I'd propose the following trade:

Chris Paul, Nerlens Noel, Future 1st Round Pick (they have a ton)

for

Thaddeus Young, Tomas Satoransky, Felicio, Kornet

From a personnel standpoint, we're actually getting the best two players in the deal. Young has been a disappointment and Sato, while promising at times, is still rather inconsistent. Noel gives us a real rebounder off the bench (something we don't have) and a really good defender down low. New lineup:

C.Carter Jr./Noel
PF.Lauri/Gafford
SF.Porter*/Valentine/Hutch
SG.LaVine/White/Harrison
PG.Paul/Dunn/Arci

I think it would improve the Team and getting a leader with a big Name will help for sure. Some won't like him but the sooner they realize it's Chris Paul the more the Team improves.

[qianlong]

Against better judgment, I keep flirting with the idea of trading for Chris Paul and his albatross contract because I think his passing ability has the potential to bring the most out of Lauri, Zach, and Carter. For that reason, I'd propose the following trade:

Chris Paul, Nerlens Noel, Future 1st Round Pick (they have a ton)

for

Thaddeus Young, Tomas Satoransky, Felicio, Kornet

From a personnel standpoint, we're actually getting the best two players in the deal. Young has been a disappointment and Sato, while promising at times, is still rather inconsistent. Noel gives us a real rebounder off the bench (something we don't have) and a really good defender down low. New lineup:

C.Carter Jr./Noel
PF.Lauri/Gafford
SF.Porter*/Valentine/Hutch
SG.LaVine/White/Harrison
PG.Paul/Dunn/Arci

that is a very GarPax move. It actually makes sense for this year. Sell more jerseys, probably make the playoffs.
However it is really scary when you look long term.

[StopitLeo]

I come in peace. Any interest in Thad for Norman Powell (+filler)?

Powell is playing the most consistent ball of his career. He is averaging 14 ppg with an eFG% of 57% (his 3P% is 38%), having come on strong after a slow start to the season. He is making $10.9M next year and then has a $11.6M player option for 2021-22.

The filler would probably be Stanley Johnson who has a $3.8M player option next year. He's coming back from injury and how much he will contribute (to the Raptors or the Bulls in this trade scenario) is questionable.

With Porter still out I think Powell could help your wing situation. He's undersized at the 2 but has a large wingspan.

From a pure talent standpoint, I would very happily do this trade. I'm surprised you would, since Powell's playing so well. Powell isn't a great fit on this roster since he's an undersized two and we sort of have a bunch of those kind of combo guards (White, Dunn, Harrison) but I'll take him simply because he's a good player. Is Powell's contract guaranteed for all three years? If so, I'd imagine the Bulls wouldn't be willing to make that commitment.

I'd make this trade because Thad would address a positional and skill gap in Toronto's roster. The Raptors are pretty thin at PF as far as a guy who can actually handle the ball, outside of Siakam. I still believe in Thad's game and I think his versatility on both ends would work well with Toronto.

Powell is playing great but I think Toronto has sufficient talent and depth at his position once everyone is healthy. They often play 2 PGs meaning one of Lowry, VanVleet, or Davis III is at SG. Thad would also allow Toronto to go big with Anunoby, Siakam, and Young on the wings. They can't do that right now because of the lack of another ball-handling. Anunoby's handle is weak, as is Hollis-Jefferson's, and you don't want Ibaka dribbling ever if you can avoid it.

Powell has a player option in 2021-22 of $11.6M. He's basically on a non-taxpayer mid-level deal which is appropriate for his production. His deal is the same length as Thad's with the possibility that Powell opts out. I doubt the Bulls will get cap relief moving Thad.

Thanks for your response.

[Onibuh]

Against better judgment, I keep flirting with the idea of trading for Chris Paul and his albatross contract because I think his passing ability has the potential to bring the most out of Lauri, Zach, and Carter. For that reason, I'd propose the following trade:

Chris Paul, Nerlens Noel, Future 1st Round Pick (they have a ton)

for

Thaddeus Young, Tomas Satoransky, Felicio, Kornet

From a personnel standpoint, we're actually getting the best two players in the deal. Young has been a disappointment and Sato, while promising at times, is still rather inconsistent. Noel gives us a real rebounder off the bench (something we don't have) and a really good defender down low. New lineup:

C.Carter Jr./Noel
PF.Lauri/Gafford
SF.Porter*/Valentine/Hutch
SG.LaVine/White/Harrison
PG.Paul/Dunn/Arci

that is a very GarPax move. It actually makes sense for this year. Sell more jerseys, probably make the playoffs.
However it is really scary when you look long term.

It's still Chris Paul. Not MVP Level Paul, but still the best Player on our roster. FAs won't sign here, GarPax will not trade for a star and all they do is talking about the 2015/2017/2021/20xx plan.
He'd make the Team better and it's not like the Bulls would lose anything other than cap Space.

[Pnjguy]

Lauri, Young, and Valentine for Jrue Holiday

[drosereturn]

Against better judgment, I keep flirting with the idea of trading for Chris Paul and his albatross contract because I think his passing ability has the potential to bring the most out of Lauri, Zach, and Carter. For that reason, I'd propose the following trade:

Chris Paul, Nerlens Noel, Future 1st Round Pick (they have a ton)

for

Thaddeus Young, Tomas Satoransky, Felicio, Kornet

From a personnel standpoint, we're actually getting the best two players in the deal. Young has been a disappointment and Sato, while promising at times, is still rather inconsistent. Noel gives us a real rebounder off the bench (something we don't have) and a really good defender down low. New lineup:

C.Carter Jr./Noel
PF.Lauri/Gafford
SF.Porter*/Valentine/Hutch
SG.LaVine/White/Harrison
PG.Paul/Dunn/Arci

OKC doesnt want to ship 1st rounders and they dont feel rushed to trade him.
I would still make a trade for Paul, Gallo while trying to ship out players thats not for long term.
The trade wont be pretty but im looking to resign them cheap when their deals are up.

Lavine, Porter, Felicio, Dunn for Paul, Gallinari. With all of our long term contracts gone (can always move Young, Sato 30mil cap space), I would try to reunite banana boat crew (Lebron, Melo) plus AD for a last championship run. Getting Lebrons son will be crucial too.

[drosestruts]

I do am intrigued by the idea of trading for Chris Paul. Darnell Mayberry recently wrote an article for the Athletic that was titled (paraphrasing) "Is anyone on the Bulls holding anyone accountable?"

Chris Paul bring immediate accountability to the team on day 1. A player is out of position or does something wrong? He's gonna let them know. Coach does something wrong? He's gonna let him know. He brings a level of accountability to this club immediately and a pedigree that makes his voice heard and respected (I was anti trading Jimmy, but I think one thing that went wrong and has proven in time to be wrong, was that others didn't feel Jimmy had the pedigree for voicing his opinion). Chris Paul is a sure-fire hall of famer with plenty of on-court talent left in the tank.

Now the bad news.

The above proposed trades would not be accepted by OKC, this trade starts and ends with the Bulls including one of Otto Porter or Zach LaVine. For me, I'd propose:

Porter, Felicio and Young

for

CP3, Roberson and Muscala


LaVine for all his warts his still too talented for me to give up on, there's too much focus on what he doesn't do well and not enough on how he's at times one of the few players in the league capable of what he can do. You keep that and put one of the smartest most cerebal players in the history of the game next to him and hope it helps him develop. CP3 has made a number of big men all-stars and I'm excited to see what he could do for Lauri and Carter.

I'd probably try to make additional, unrelated trade for some front court depth, but this would be my CP3 trade.

[TheGOATRises007]

Against better judgment, I keep flirting with the idea of trading for Chris Paul and his albatross contract because I think his passing ability has the potential to bring the most out of Lauri, Zach, and Carter. For that reason, I'd propose the following trade:

Chris Paul, Nerlens Noel, Future 1st Round Pick (they have a ton)

for

Thaddeus Young, Tomas Satoransky, Felicio, Kornet

From a personnel standpoint, we're actually getting the best two players in the deal. Young has been a disappointment and Sato, while promising at times, is still rather inconsistent. Noel gives us a real rebounder off the bench (something we don't have) and a really good defender down low. New lineup:

C.Carter Jr./Noel
PF.Lauri/Gafford
SF.Porter*/Valentine/Hutch
SG.LaVine/White/Harrison
PG.Paul/Dunn/Arci

Mark was talking about this too.

I'd probably do this deal despite Paul's albatross contract.

Doubt GarPax do it though.

[MisterRoy]

Against better judgment, I keep flirting with the idea of trading for Chris Paul and his albatross contract because I think his passing ability has the potential to bring the most out of Lauri, Zach, and Carter. For that reason, I'd propose the following trade:

Chris Paul, Nerlens Noel, Future 1st Round Pick (they have a ton)

for

Thaddeus Young, Tomas Satoransky, Felicio, Kornet

From a personnel standpoint, we're actually getting the best two players in the deal. Young has been a disappointment and Sato, while promising at times, is still rather inconsistent. Noel gives us a real rebounder off the bench (something we don't have) and a really good defender down low. New lineup:

C.Carter Jr./Noel
PF.Lauri/Gafford
SF.Porter*/Valentine/Hutch
SG.LaVine/White/Harrison
PG.Paul/Dunn/Arci

Mark was talking about this too.

I'd probably do this deal despite Paul's albatross contract.

Doubt GarPax do it though.

I’v tossed this around, too. What would our team look like with a veteran, first rate PG that can consistently hit the 3.


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[ZOMG]

Against better judgment, I keep flirting with the idea of trading for Chris Paul and his albatross contract because I think his passing ability has the potential to bring the most out of Lauri, Zach, and Carter. For that reason, I'd propose the following trade:

Chris Paul, Nerlens Noel, Future 1st Round Pick (they have a ton)

for

Thaddeus Young, Tomas Satoransky, Felicio, Kornet

From a personnel standpoint, we're actually getting the best two players in the deal. Young has been a disappointment and Sato, while promising at times, is still rather inconsistent. Noel gives us a real rebounder off the bench (something we don't have) and a really good defender down low. New lineup:

C.Carter Jr./Noel
PF.Lauri/Gafford
SF.Porter*/Valentine/Hutch
SG.LaVine/White/Harrison
PG.Paul/Dunn/Arci

Mark was talking about this too.

I'd probably do this deal despite Paul's albatross contract.

Doubt GarPax do it though.

I’v tossed this around, too. What would our team look like with a veteran, first rate PG that can consistently hit the 3.

Come on, Gafford isn't a PF by any stretch. He's a pure non-shooting, rim-running defensive 5. And we would essentially have THREE similar guys playing the same position. Not doable.

On the other hand - it would be hilarious to see Chris Paul bring the ball up, hand it to Zach and go stand in the corner.

[ArtMorte]

Lauri, Young, and Valentine for Jrue Holiday

Jrue might be the sort of proven PG that we could realistically get, but I doubt the FO is ready to give up on Lauri yet.

[dumbell78]

I'm finding it very hard to line up any trade scenarios with the guys we have. Lauri's value is really low now doubt you can sniff a Holiday type deal for him and filler. Zach and WCJ are probably the only guys that have real value and what are you really achieving by trading these guys now?

I think we are in a really bad spot and no two trades are going to help this right now.

[MrSparkle]

I’m of the opinion... if you have good prime players locked up, you keep them unless a clear overpay is offered.

Zach is a good player. He’s not great, but he’s good. If you’re moving him for expirings and a pick, you’re just moving backwards. I’d rather add to him and upgrade the coach rather than dump him for a pack of peanuts and another #7 pick for Pax to draft.

Just say ‘no’ to CP3. His massive retirement decline is right around the corner. He came to OKC with zero pressure. You know Chicago will tear him apart and drive him to an early retirement.

In general, I still don’t see the allure of acquiring 28+ yo guys on long contracts. Look at how IND played it smart; let old Thad go after his best years, brought in TJ Warren who just entered his prime. Even Doug is now playing ok for them.

This is the thing; NBA players generally play their best career ball from 25-29, so there’s no point in overspending on their rookie development nor their late vet prime/decline. You overpay in theory by giving a career-loser (who’s 24) a small contract or trade a mid/late 1st, but the pay-off is almost guaranteed assuming they have a good work ethic and a particular skill to offer.

Ongoing burn the Bulls get themselves in. Thad and Sato were meh signings that look terrible now. Over investing in mid-ceiling rookies is stupid.

I was happier with the “scrap heep” wing collection: Selden, Luwawu. Nwaba or McLemore could’ve been considered. These are 24-27yos realizing they’re at a fork in the road; either retire rich and happy or be looking for Chinese basketball jobs when they’re 30 and missing out on millions of dollars.

I don’t get this obsession with “resetting.” It’s tantalizing on paper because you imagine Giannis or Lebron will be drafted, but Wendell and Lauri are the more common reality.

Even when you get a great pick like Shai or even Mitchell, so what? They need like 2 or 3 more studs to contend.

If you isolate the Jimmy trade, how hard would it have been to acquire a sitting Zach/acl and bust Dunn and add one or the other to Jimmy? Their values were low. Or was Lauri the bounty all along?

You gotta spend your fool’s gold assets. Immediate first picks are fool’s gold, unless you’re getting trash in return.

[Rose2Boozer]

For the rest of the season, GarPax has one primary objective. Get the holy hell out of Thad Young's contract.

Young and Hutchinson to the Blazers for Bazemore.

[Onibuh]

I don't know what their plan is, but adding a vet 3 that can Play 4 is what this Team Needs.

[HomoSapien]

Lauri, Young, and Valentine for Jrue Holiday

Jrue might be the sort of proven PG that we could realistically get, but I doubt the FO is ready to give up on Lauri yet.

Stein is reporting that Jrue is finally available.

I would offer:
Coby White
Thad Young
Felicio

Coby is fun and everything, but he's wildly inconsistent and right now his potential seems like it's a top-flight 6th man. That's an important role, but I think a PG like Holiday could really help accelerate our rebuild.

C.Carter/Gafford
PF.Markannen/Kornet
SF.Porter/Valentine/Hutch
SG.LaVine/Dunn/Harrison
PG.Holiday/Sato/Arci

We still have a hole in our front-court, but on paper this team looks pretty potent to me.

[TheGOATRises007]

Lauri, Young, and Valentine for Jrue Holiday

Jrue might be the sort of proven PG that we could realistically get, but I doubt the FO is ready to give up on Lauri yet.

Stein is reporting that Jrue is finally available.

I would offer:
Coby White
Thad Young
Felicio

Coby is fun and everything, but he's wildly inconsistent and right now his potential seems like it's a top-flight 6th man. That's an important role, but I think a PG like Holiday could really help accelerate our rebuild.

C.Carter/Gafford
PF.Markannen/Kornet
SF.Porter/Valentine/Hutch
SG.LaVine/Dunn/Harrison
PG.Holiday/Sato/Arci

We still have a hole in our front-court, but on paper this team looks pretty potent to me.

I'd do this deal in a heartbeat. I don't know if the Pelicans would be high on Coby though. That's pretty much the deal-maker or deal-breaker.

We can maybe get someone off waivers down the road for our front-court.

[HomoSapien]

Jrue might be the sort of proven PG that we could realistically get, but I doubt the FO is ready to give up on Lauri yet.

Stein is reporting that Jrue is finally available.

I would offer:
Coby White
Thad Young
Felicio

Coby is fun and everything, but he's wildly inconsistent and right now his potential seems like it's a top-flight 6th man. That's an important role, but I think a PG like Holiday could really help accelerate our rebuild.

C.Carter/Gafford
PF.Markannen/Kornet
SF.Porter/Valentine/Hutch
SG.LaVine/Dunn/Harrison
PG.Holiday/Sato/Arci

We still have a hole in our front-court, but on paper this team looks pretty potent to me.

I'd do this deal in a heartbeat. I don't know if the Pelicans would be high on Coby though. That's pretty much the deal-maker or deal-breaker.

We can maybe get someone off waivers down the road for our front-court.

Yeah, it's completely dependent on how much they value Coby. From their perspective, if they're willing to trade Holiday at all, this seems like a pretty fair deal. They're getting a guy who was just a lottery pick. It's hard to imagine them getting a draft pick that projects to be higher than where Coby was drafted.

[Ccwatercraft]

Against better judgment, I keep flirting with the idea of trading for Chris Paul and his albatross contract because I think his passing ability has the potential to bring the most out of Lauri, Zach, and Carter. For that reason, I'd propose the following trade:

Chris Paul, Nerlens Noel, Future 1st Round Pick (they have a ton)

for

Thaddeus Young, Tomas Satoransky, Felicio, Kornet

From a personnel standpoint, we're actually getting the best two players in the deal. Young has been a disappointment and Sato, while promising at times, is still rather inconsistent. Noel gives us a real rebounder off the bench (something we don't have) and a really good defender down low. New lineup:

C.Carter Jr./Noel
PF.Lauri/Gafford
SF.Porter*/Valentine/Hutch
SG.LaVine/White/Harrison
PG.Paul/Dunn/Arci

Mark was talking about this too.

I'd probably do this deal despite Paul's albatross contract.

Doubt GarPax do it though.

Putting myself in OKC situation I see absolutely no reason why they would accept that trade. would you?

Why would you give up the best player in the deal?he's helping develop your young players you are playing better-than-expected you have a ton of picks. what's wrong with that?

The pick swaps that they have are only going to convey if they're playing well. they aren't that boxed in.

there might be a contender that loses their point guard for some reason or wants to make a drastic change and they throw better offers.

The contracts we offer in return above are just a pile of average or bad ones with one less year. imo they would want at least a pick swap or two, Maybe pick up on those pick swap years where the Houston and Clippers ones aren't that sexy.

Bottom line is I think that Oklahoma is going to wait until somebody is desperate, they are in no hurry.

[sco]

Jrue might be the sort of proven PG that we could realistically get, but I doubt the FO is ready to give up on Lauri yet.

Stein is reporting that Jrue is finally available.

I would offer:
Coby White
Thad Young
Felicio

Coby is fun and everything, but he's wildly inconsistent and right now his potential seems like it's a top-flight 6th man. That's an important role, but I think a PG like Holiday could really help accelerate our rebuild.

C.Carter/Gafford
PF.Markannen/Kornet
SF.Porter/Valentine/Hutch
SG.LaVine/Dunn/Harrison
PG.Holiday/Sato/Arci

We still have a hole in our front-court, but on paper this team looks pretty potent to me.

I'd do this deal in a heartbeat. I don't know if the Pelicans would be high on Coby though. That's pretty much the deal-maker or deal-breaker.

We can maybe get someone off waivers down the road for our front-court.

Yeah, sign me up for that deal too. Coby is a good piece to put next to Ball. Jrue/Zach/Otto/Lauri/WC is a nice foundation.