ATL -Fizdale Fizzles Out in NY

[stellation]

NBA broadcasters talk about “alpha guys” so much it makes me wonder what kinda porn they’re into...

This was posted 50 minutes ago with no responses as yet, which leads me to believe that twirly's Internet access is out.

[Pachinko_]

So many good undrafted players on the Heat
US basketball is ridiculously deep

[Perseus1966]

Looks like Dallas might beat Boston too…

Tony Brothers : hold my beet.
Kp against bucks 2 fouls against celtics fouled out

[WRau1]

Actually I disagree. If he loses a step he'll just move up a few positions. He's strong enough to present a mismatch at the 4 with his spacing and playmaking. Bronson would need to lose 3 steps to be unplayable.

Are you saying that Malcom Brogdon is going to be able to play the 4 in the NBA when he becomes LESS athletic?

Vince Carter plays the 4. What's your point?

Vince Carter's corpse is more athletic than Brogdon's prime. Also, Carter doesn't spend all if his 16mpg at PF. He spends the bulk of it at the 2 & 3.

A less athletic Brogdon isn't a NBA player.

[LuessiT]

Are you saying that Malcom Brogdon is going to be able to play the 4 in the NBA when he becomes LESS athletic?

Vince Carter plays the 4. What's your point?

Vince Carter's corpse is more athletic than Brogdon's prime. Also, Carter doesn't spend all if his 16mpg at PF. He spends the bulk of it at the 2 & 3.

A less athletic Brogdon isn't a NBA player.

What you're saying just makes no sense. The taller players get, the slower they are generally speaking. If Brogdon loses a step he may not be able to keep up with guards but he will be able to keep up with most forwards. Literally any aging long time NBA player has made that development.

[Ron Swanson]

Brogdon is an intelligent and crafty enough player to adapt his game once his athleticism starts to fade, but I don't think it's as easy as simply moving guys a position down as they get older. Not everyone has the physical tools and mentality of a PJ Tucker or Chuck Hayes, and you can't just put any random 6'5 guy in the frontcourt and expect them to not get annihilated.

It's been discussed a lot but the pendulum on the whole small-ball and "death lineup" era is starting to swing back to the median now that the Warriors dynasty has been dissolved, and teams are getting exposed for thinking they can go super small against teams with athletic and skilled bigs.

[raferfenix]

Given the uncertain status of team president Steve Mills, it would be a bit surprising if the Knicks made any major moves before the trade deadline. But that doesn't mean they're going to stand pat.

Several teams in touch recently with the Knicks are under the impression that they're open to moving one of their point guards.

That in and of itself isn't surprising. Given how the season has gone, it's safe to assume that any player on the roster outside of RJ Barrett will be available via trade if the Knicks get an offer they like.

But the point guard factor is noteworthy because several teams, including the Minnesota Timberwolves, are interested in trading for Dennis Smith Jr., per SNY sources.

Smith Jr., acquired by New York from Dallas in the Kristaps Porzingis trade, was a DNP-CD in the two games prior to Tuesday's win over Atlanta. He had eight points, five assists and five rebounds in 13 minutes against the Hawks and was on the floor during the team's 21-0 run.

It's unclear what the Knicks would want back in a potential Smith trade. The degree of the Timberwolves' interest in trading for him is also unknown. But one executive, speculating, said that getting a first-round pick back for Smith would be unlikely.

https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/sources-timberwolves-among-several-teams-interested-in-trading-for-knicks-dennis-smith-jr/312248428

[WRau1]

Vince Carter plays the 4. What's your point?

Vince Carter's corpse is more athletic than Brogdon's prime. Also, Carter doesn't spend all if his 16mpg at PF. He spends the bulk of it at the 2 & 3.

A less athletic Brogdon isn't a NBA player.

What you're saying just makes no sense. The taller players get, the slower they are generally speaking. If Brogdon loses a step he may not be able to keep up with guards but he will be able to keep up with most forwards. Literally any aging long time NBA player has made that development.

Brogdon already can't stay in front of most guards and youre suggesting he's going to stop a slashing PF from getting ANYWHERE he wants to go when he looses a step? Right...

[DingleJerry]

If Brogdon stays healthy he's going to be a very good player for several years. I don't see how how that can even be debated. Seems like a good dude, so hopefully that happens.

[LuessiT]

Vince Carter's corpse is more athletic than Brogdon's prime. Also, Carter doesn't spend all if his 16mpg at PF. He spends the bulk of it at the 2 & 3.

A less athletic Brogdon isn't a NBA player.

What you're saying just makes no sense. The taller players get, the slower they are generally speaking. If Brogdon loses a step he may not be able to keep up with guards but he will be able to keep up with most forwards. Literally any aging long time NBA player has made that development.

Brogdon already can't stay in front of most guards and youre suggesting he's going to stop a slashing PF from getting ANYWHERE he wants to go when he looses a step? Right...

What? You said and I quote:

Malcolm is going to become nearly unplayable when he loses a step.

And I doubt that. Brogdon will be able to contribute for a long ass time as a bench piece if he loses just one step. It's actually way harder to stay in front of guards than PFs. You have this backwards and if you can't see that, you're not worth my time. Yeah I'm sure he'll be afraid of not being able to keep up with elite athletes like Illyasova and Bertans. Also who is even a 'slashing' PF in this league lol.

[LuessiT]

Given the uncertain status of team president Steve Mills, it would be a bit surprising if the Knicks made any major moves before the trade deadline. But that doesn't mean they're going to stand pat.

Several teams in touch recently with the Knicks are under the impression that they're open to moving one of their point guards.

That in and of itself isn't surprising. Given how the season has gone, it's safe to assume that any player on the roster outside of RJ Barrett will be available via trade if the Knicks get an offer they like.

But the point guard factor is noteworthy because several teams, including the Minnesota Timberwolves, are interested in trading for Dennis Smith Jr., per SNY sources.

Smith Jr., acquired by New York from Dallas in the Kristaps Porzingis trade, was a DNP-CD in the two games prior to Tuesday's win over Atlanta. He had eight points, five assists and five rebounds in 13 minutes against the Hawks and was on the floor during the team's 21-0 run.

It's unclear what the Knicks would want back in a potential Smith trade. The degree of the Timberwolves' interest in trading for him is also unknown. But one executive, speculating, said that getting a first-round pick back for Smith would be unlikely.

https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/sources-timberwolves-among-several-teams-interested-in-trading-for-knicks-dennis-smith-jr/312248428

DSJ sucks though (imo). Ntilikina actually improved considerably. He drastically improved his shooting (34% from 3 and 47% from 16ft-3) , improved his A/TO ratio, gets more steals (1.9 per 36) while keeping his personal fouls steady. Even as a Ntilikina stan I'm not really sure if he's worth paying 4.8m to (and 6.3m next year) but he's at least shown that he is a legit NBA player (and I'm confident that a well coached team could get even more out of him).

[Chuck Diesel]

Abolish college basketball

[emunney]

I believe there's an athletic/physical threshold beneath which NBA players simply can not exist, but Brogdon is comfortably above that. I don't know about playing the 4 (just too small imo), but I don't see any reason why he wouldn't have a normal length prime of his career and a graceful decline. Smart players tend to age the best because they can learn/adapt most effectively.

[WRau1]

What you're saying just makes no sense. The taller players get, the slower they are generally speaking. If Brogdon loses a step he may not be able to keep up with guards but he will be able to keep up with most forwards. Literally any aging long time NBA player has made that development.

Brogdon already can't stay in front of most guards and youre suggesting he's going to stop a slashing PF from getting ANYWHERE he wants to go when he looses a step? Right...

What? You said and I quote:

Malcolm is going to become nearly unplayable when he loses a step.

And I doubt that. Brogdon will be able to contribute for a long ass time as a bench piece if he loses just one step. It's actually way harder to stay in front of guards than PFs. You have this backwards and if you can't see that, you're not worth my time. Yeah I'm sure he'll be afraid of not being able to keep up with elite athletes like Illyasova and Bertans. Also who is even a 'slashing' PF in this league lol.

---Please leave out the personal attacks. Thanks, MD --- You're claiming Brogdon is going to play the 4 like "most" SGs do as they age, which is complete bull. Brogdon has a minuscule amount of athleticism left and to think he could play the angles on ANY hybrid forward is completely laughable. Funny you laugh at "slashing" PF when we have the best one in the league on our team. You had the right thought about not being worth someone's time, it's just the other way around.

[BUCKnation]

Brogdon will be fine with his shooting ability.

[Turk Nowitzki]

Yikes for the Raptors.

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[midranger]

Abolish college basketball

Is there a context to this?

[MickeyDavis]

5 minutes in and iI’m sick of watching Harden

[DrWood]

Abolish college basketball

Is there a context to this?

He got beat up in a bar fight with a college basketball player.

[blazza18]

I swear the Clippers were leading by a bit when I checked the box score earlier