Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Part 1 - Can You Feel It?

[Bishop45]

Blake's definitely a high risk potentially high reward trade target.

I'm afraid that as far as injuries go the most damage has been done and not going anywhere but down from here.

Blake at his best is a top 10 player, I would have traded for that guy even with the health risks. But he's had some noticeable injuries already and has not looked like himself this yr, like at all

[IggieCC]

Blake's definitely a high risk potentially high reward trade target.

I'm afraid that as far as injuries go the most damage has been done and not going anywhere but down from here.

Even with his lack of rebounding you would be okay with bringing him in? He also doesn't help with matchups against the bigger centers.

hmm it is true that he doesn't solve a lot of our problems. I would still be intrigued if he could get back to last szn's production of 25/8/5 on good efficiency.

at this point his numbers suggest that his knees are shot. I guess I am saying that I'd be very cautious with trying to acquire him.

[IggieCC]

Blake's definitely a high risk potentially high reward trade target.

I'm afraid that as far as injuries go the most damage has been done and not going anywhere but down from here.

Blake at his best is a top 10 player, I would have traded for that guy even with the health risks. But he's had some noticeable injuries already and has not looked like himself this yr, like at all

I was just replying to another person about the same thing bish smh

[Dr_Heat]

Let’s say we would make a trade for Blake Griff, wouldn’t that kinda hinder Bam’s growth ?

[HeatFanLifer]

Let’s say we would make a trade for Blake Griff, wouldn’t that kinda hinder Bam’s growth ?

I dunno about hinder, Bam is a great team player and would find a way to work with most anyone. The last thing this team needs is more players out injured tho, especially in the frontcourt. The lineup we have is small enoufh already.

[al bondiga]

We are just a good scoring PF who can stretch the floor and rebound away from contending. It's all we need at this point. Unless we can trade for a superstar, but that seems to be far from happening.

mad... you know better than that... if we get Griffin for example, we are still not real contenders... maybe what you mean is something else...32 teams are NBA contenders, you crazy guy

[heat4life]

Previous charges were excessive too, there isn't a precedent for this type of punitive action. Dion's an idiot but it doesn't give us the moral authority to charge him twice for it. Heat's actions have real consequences too, but only Dion will pay that over

Excessive? Bish, no offense but why don't you try to scream and insult your boss and come back and tell us how that goes for you.

NBA players live in a world of guaranteed contracts and union memberships. Dion will appeal and at the end they will negotiate a settlement for his money. That's how it works in the NBA with suspensions. Unlike you or me, who would likely get fired for such actions, Dion will still get paid. Nothing excessive IMO when you are stuck with someone disruptive and insubordinate when suspensions are one of the few logical avenues for discipline.

At the end, he knows the Heat will not cut him due to his contractual obligations and there is no trade market for him. I don't think he is interested in helping himself with good behavior in order to facilitate a trade. At the end, i could see Miami cutting a deal with his agent so he can go home and still get full pay until hopefully someone takes him in a trade.

Yes excessive, when is the last time you've heard of a suspension and stay away from the team after the fact in the league? Whiteside had done worse than Dion and publicly, and never got anything worse than a fine and rightfully so.

The team can decide the length of any suspension just like Dion can appeal and argue against it. He seems OK with being away from the team otherwise I don't understand the continued behavioral issues. Whiteside was unprofessional but he was never suspended for insubordination. Two different offenses. At the end, there is likely more to this story than what we know which might explain what you consider excessive.

Don't give me these false equivalenicies of regular Joe's with regular jobs when the scenarios aren't even close to being the same. You, in fact highlight that they aren't the same... and they aren't, like on any level.

False equivalencies? Insubordination is insubordination on ANY job. The offense is the same everywhere. Where things differ are in how you handle those offenses. A regular job with no union is VERY different than a job with a union and that is not even taking in consideration contractual obligations in one over the other.

Every single charge was more than the norm, the first and the third more than twice. If we're holding everyone accountable for their actions, that's both reprehensible and unprofessional

How "excessive" can be debated and at the end is a matter of opinion. However, the only thing reprehensible and unprofessional is Dion's continued behavior, let's not ignore that. During his first suspension everyone was looking forward to having him back on the team, then he has an episode on the plane where everyone is like "WTF" and now, another episode where he lies about his absence with the team and then commits insubordination again? I mean, I hope you see the pattern here. His behavior is not only detrimental to the organization, but also his teammates. Fine, he is pissed off at the Heat organization, then at least respect your teammates and stop the distractions.

[al bondiga]

Let’s say we would make a trade for Blake Griff, wouldn’t that kinda hinder Bam’s growth ?

I dunno about hinder, Bam is a great team player and would find a way to work with most anyone. The last thing this team needs is more players out injured tho, especially in the frontcourt. The lineup we have is small enoufh already.

dr. H is right, bam it's growing exponentially right now, defense Almost the same kind of Player he is... a star similar to him, only mess with his own orbit

[al bondiga]

By the way for you people that think Leonard wrong for the team... HE is one of the main reasons them is grown so much

[al bondiga]

especially bam

[BFRESH44]

By the way for you people that think Leonard wrong for the team... HE is one of the main reasons them is grown so much

I'd say this is a bit of a stretch.

[twix2500]

Previous charges were excessive too, there isn't a precedent for this type of punitive action. Dion's an idiot but it doesn't give us the moral authority to charge him twice for it. Heat's actions have real consequences too, but only Dion will pay that over

Excessive? Bish, no offense but why don't you try to scream and insult your boss and come back and tell us how that goes for you.

NBA players live in a world of guaranteed contracts and union memberships. Dion will appeal and at the end they will negotiate a settlement for his money. That's how it works in the NBA with suspensions. Unlike you or me, who would likely get fired for such actions, Dion will still get paid. Nothing excessive IMO when you are stuck with someone disruptive and insubordinate when suspensions are one of the few logical avenues for discipline.

At the end, he knows the Heat will not cut him due to his contractual obligations and there is no trade market for him. I don't think he is interested in helping himself with good behavior in order to facilitate a trade. At the end, i could see Miami cutting a deal with his agent so he can go home and still get full pay until hopefully someone takes him in a trade.

Yes excessive, when is the last time you've heard of a suspension and stay away from the team after the fact in the league? Whiteside had done worse than Dion and publicly, and never got anything worse than a fine and rightfully so.

Don't give me these false equivalenicies of regular Joe's with regular jobs when the scenarios aren't even close to being the same. You, in fact highlight that they aren't the same... and they aren't, like on any level.

Every single charge was more than the norm, the first and the third more than twice. If we're holding everyone accountable for their actions, that's both reprehensible and unprofessional

Whiteside was suspended and fined numerous of times. But was not caught popping drugs on a plane before a game and calling out sick for fake illnesses. Because you was able to visually see Whiteside do wrong doesnt mean he did far worse.

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[MadD23]

We are just a good scoring PF who can stretch the floor and rebound away from contending. It's all we need at this point. Unless we can trade for a superstar, but that seems to be far from happening.

mad... you know better than that... if we get Griffin for example, we are still not real contenders... maybe what you mean is something else...32 teams are NBA contenders, you crazy guy

Lol not a fan of Griffin for this team. There are two things we need the most, a veteran scorer, a good rebounder and floor spacer at the PF position to replace Leonard. BTW, I am thinking about playoffs success here, not racking up regular season wins.

[Bishop45]

Excessive? Bish, no offense but why don't you try to scream and insult your boss and come back and tell us how that goes for you.

NBA players live in a world of guaranteed contracts and union memberships. Dion will appeal and at the end they will negotiate a settlement for his money. That's how it works in the NBA with suspensions. Unlike you or me, who would likely get fired for such actions, Dion will still get paid. Nothing excessive IMO when you are stuck with someone disruptive and insubordinate when suspensions are one of the few logical avenues for discipline.

At the end, he knows the Heat will not cut him due to his contractual obligations and there is no trade market for him. I don't think he is interested in helping himself with good behavior in order to facilitate a trade. At the end, i could see Miami cutting a deal with his agent so he can go home and still get full pay until hopefully someone takes him in a trade.

Yes excessive, when is the last time you've heard of a suspension and stay away from the team after the fact in the league? Whiteside had done worse than Dion and publicly, and never got anything worse than a fine and rightfully so.

The team can decide the length of any suspension just like Dion can appeal and argue against it. He seems OK with being away from the team otherwise I don't understand the continued behavioral issues. Whiteside was unprofessional but he was never suspended for insubordination. Two different offenses. At the end, there is likely more to this story than what we know which might explain what you consider excessive.

Don't give me these false equivalenicies of regular Joe's with regular jobs when the scenarios aren't even close to being the same. You, in fact highlight that they aren't the same... and they aren't, like on any level.

False equivalencies? Insubordination is insubordination on ANY job. The offense is the same everywhere. Where things differ are in how you handle those offenses. A regular job with no union is VERY different than a job with a union and that is not even taking in consideration contractual obligations in one over the other.

Every single charge was more than the norm, the first and the third more than twice. If we're holding everyone accountable for their actions, that's both reprehensible and unprofessional

How "excessive" can be debated and at the end is a matter of opinion. However, the only thing reprehensible and unprofessional is Dion's continued behavior, let's not ignore that. During his first suspension everyone was looking forward to having him back on the team, then he has an episode on the plane where everyone is like "WTF" and now, another episode where he lies about his absence with the team and then commits insubordination again? I mean, I hope you see the pattern here. His behavior is not only detrimental to the organization, but also his teammates. Fine, he is pissed off at the Heat organization, then at least respect your teammates and stop the distractions.

It's not debatable, it's clearly excessive by the way of norms. So... 'excessive' is subjective but insubordination is not? Whiteside wasn't insubordinate because he wasn't charged as being so?

Y'all want it to be one way so bad.

Dion's an idiot, hence the continued behavior, but we don't get to gut punch him because we think it's right. The guy's career is over as a result of this, and you're okay with it?

[MadD23]

Excessive? Bish, no offense but why don't you try to scream and insult your boss and come back and tell us how that goes for you.

NBA players live in a world of guaranteed contracts and union memberships. Dion will appeal and at the end they will negotiate a settlement for his money. That's how it works in the NBA with suspensions. Unlike you or me, who would likely get fired for such actions, Dion will still get paid. Nothing excessive IMO when you are stuck with someone disruptive and insubordinate when suspensions are one of the few logical avenues for discipline.

At the end, he knows the Heat will not cut him due to his contractual obligations and there is no trade market for him. I don't think he is interested in helping himself with good behavior in order to facilitate a trade. At the end, i could see Miami cutting a deal with his agent so he can go home and still get full pay until hopefully someone takes him in a trade.

Yes excessive, when is the last time you've heard of a suspension and stay away from the team after the fact in the league? Whiteside had done worse than Dion and publicly, and never got anything worse than a fine and rightfully so.

Don't give me these false equivalenicies of regular Joe's with regular jobs when the scenarios aren't even close to being the same. You, in fact highlight that they aren't the same... and they aren't, like on any level.

Every single charge was more than the norm, the first and the third more than twice. If we're holding everyone accountable for their actions, that's both reprehensible and unprofessional

Whiteside was suspended and fined numerous of times. But was not caught popping drugs on a plane before a game and calling out sick for fake illnesses. Because you was able to visually see Whiteside do wrong doesnt mean he did far worse.

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We have no evidence of what is really happening behind the curtains. The only thing we can hope for, is two things:

1. Dion gets traded
2. Dion get's his mind right and help us win when he gets his chance to play again

[Bishop45]

Excessive? Bish, no offense but why don't you try to scream and insult your boss and come back and tell us how that goes for you.

NBA players live in a world of guaranteed contracts and union memberships. Dion will appeal and at the end they will negotiate a settlement for his money. That's how it works in the NBA with suspensions. Unlike you or me, who would likely get fired for such actions, Dion will still get paid. Nothing excessive IMO when you are stuck with someone disruptive and insubordinate when suspensions are one of the few logical avenues for discipline.

At the end, he knows the Heat will not cut him due to his contractual obligations and there is no trade market for him. I don't think he is interested in helping himself with good behavior in order to facilitate a trade. At the end, i could see Miami cutting a deal with his agent so he can go home and still get full pay until hopefully someone takes him in a trade.

Yes excessive, when is the last time you've heard of a suspension and stay away from the team after the fact in the league? Whiteside had done worse than Dion and publicly, and never got anything worse than a fine and rightfully so.

Don't give me these false equivalenicies of regular Joe's with regular jobs when the scenarios aren't even close to being the same. You, in fact highlight that they aren't the same... and they aren't, like on any level.

Every single charge was more than the norm, the first and the third more than twice. If we're holding everyone accountable for their actions, that's both reprehensible and unprofessional

Whiteside was suspended and fined numerous of times. But was not caught popping drugs on a plane before a game and calling out sick for fake illnesses. Because you was able to visually see Whiteside do wrong doesnt mean he did far worse.

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Whiteside was suspended for his minutes haggling? Did I miss that?

[Bishop45]

By the way for you people that think Leonard wrong for the team... HE is one of the main reasons them is grown so much

I'd say this is a bit of a stretch.

Leonard is Babbitt with good hair, I would say his contract looks yummy tho

[BFRESH44]

And regarding Dion, he's done a lot more behind the scenes that has not been reported. Nothing is excessive. His emotional maturity is at 0, and there's a reason the team is going to have him stay away from the team on paid leave. The dude needs to see a shrink.

[Bishop45]

And regarding Dion, he's done a lot more behind the scenes that has not been reported. Nothing is excessive. His emotion maturity is at 0, and there's a reason the team is going to have him stay away from the team on paid leave. The dude needs to see a shrink.

Report and discipline the behind the scenes stuff then, is there a reason not to?

Somebody leaked the gummy story and the story behind the recent suspension... There literally isn't a reason not to be transparent about it. But I'm supposed to assume because it seems right

[BFRESH44]

And regarding Dion, he's done a lot more behind the scenes that has not been reported. Nothing is excessive. His emotion maturity is at 0, and there's a reason the team is going to have him stay away from the team on paid leave. The dude needs to see a shrink.

Report and discipline the behind the scenes stuff then, is there a reason not to?

Somebody leaked the gummy story and the story behind the recent suspension... There literally isn't a reason not to be transparent about it. But I'm supposed to assume because it seems right

They've been transparent to the extent in which they need to be. "Continued insubordination". They've been trying to protect Dion if anything.