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Re: Boston/Memphis/Milwaukee pick watch 

Post#181 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:46 pm

sully00 wrote:I have to admit I am a little surprised that Mem has let this get away from them so quickly. You have got to be disciplined if your going to tank these days. Getting your 10th win in December just shows a lack of focus. With the outstanding effort in ATL, GSW and with the additional dysfunctional steps taken in NYK and CLE your almost eliminated from top 3 consideration with 10 wins. At the same time they may struggle to play well enough to convey the pick so your playing into the worst possible scenario.

Celtics are going to get the pick this year in my opinion. Memphis I think will finish in the 6-8 range. Memphis finishes 6th and 1 team moves up the Celtics get the pick. Higher probability the Celtics get the pick this year.
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Re: Boston/Memphis/Milwaukee pick watch 

Post#182 » by Darth Celtic » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:51 pm

i think we can't go wrong. Either we get a top 9 pick this year, or top 9 pick next year, griz are too young to make a leap into the playoffs.

Myself I still hope for next year and a really lucky lotto draw and the first pick.
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Re: Boston/Memphis/Milwaukee pick watch 

Post#183 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:21 pm

I want the pick and want Obi Toppin
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Post#184 » by djFan71 » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:38 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:I want the pick and want Obi Toppin

Any thoughts on Okongwu? I've just read a little and some highlights, but he seems like what I want from my big.
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Re: Boston/Memphis/Milwaukee pick watch 

Post#185 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:52 pm

djFan71 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:I want the pick and want Obi Toppin

Any thoughts on Okongwu? I've just read a little and some highlights, but he seems like what I want from my big.


Generally like him a lot. Could nitpick that I wish he’d rebound a bit better defensively or have better passing vision, but his defense is impressive. Am a fan.
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Re: Boston/Memphis/Milwaukee pick watch 

Post#186 » by djFan71 » Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:21 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:I want the pick and want Obi Toppin

Any thoughts on Okongwu? I've just read a little and some highlights, but he seems like what I want from my big.


Generally like him a lot. Could nitpick that I wish he’d rebound a bit better defensively or have better passing vision, but his defense is impressive. Am a fan.

Thanks. I haven't looked much at Toppin, but may have to.
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Re: Boston/Memphis/Milwaukee pick watch 

Post#187 » by SMTBSI » Sat Dec 21, 2019 3:42 am

Mtowngrizz wrote:We could easily get that 8th spot if not we will barely miss the playoffs so yall looking at pick 11-14.

Somehow, I'm not concerned.
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Re: Boston/Memphis/Milwaukee pick watch 

Post#188 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:05 am

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Andrew McCeltic wrote:Our chance at Wiseman has gone up, too, since he’s sitting out the year.

I’m sure there are other examples of potential no. 1 picks slipping due to injury, playing abroad, the only things analogous to the Bazley route.. but right now I can only think of Noel, Mudiay and Michael Porter, Jr. And Embiid, obviously, but he - like Harry Giles - was a unique case.*


There is almost no chance of this happening. Wiseman is not injured and this is not a character flaw issue. Mitchell Robinson was more of a character concerns issue and I am pretty sure some GM's would like a redo on that one. Wiseman put out some game tape I think teams are going to be pretty comfortable with what they saw. He may have to workout more than most #1 picks do so be it. Ball and Cole Anthony could be shutting it down for the season shortly due to injury.


Oh uh, Darius Garland went 5 with a short reel and no serious injury concerns. So 7 for Wiseman is a stretch, but there’s a lot of time to the draft - months for other players to build reputations. And draft order can make a difference, too.
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Re: Boston/Memphis/Milwaukee pick watch 

Post#189 » by Homerclease » Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:51 pm

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sully00 wrote:
Andrew McCeltic wrote:Our chance at Wiseman has gone up, too, since he’s sitting out the year.

I’m sure there are other examples of potential no. 1 picks slipping due to injury, playing abroad, the only things analogous to the Bazley route.. but right now I can only think of Noel, Mudiay and Michael Porter, Jr. And Embiid, obviously, but he - like Harry Giles - was a unique case.*


There is almost no chance of this happening. Wiseman is not injured and this is not a character flaw issue. Mitchell Robinson was more of a character concerns issue and I am pretty sure some GM's would like a redo on that one. Wiseman put out some game tape I think teams are going to be pretty comfortable with what they saw. He may have to workout more than most #1 picks do so be it. Ball and Cole Anthony could be shutting it down for the season shortly due to injury.


Oh uh, Darius Garland went 5 with a short reel and no serious injury concerns. So 7 for Wiseman is a stretch, but there’s a lot of time to the draft - months for other players to build reputations. And draft order can make a difference, too.

Wiseman is a lock for top 3. Probably the top overall pick IMO. McDaniels should be the guy we look at if the Grizz pick conveys this year
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Re: Boston/Memphis/Milwaukee pick watch 

Post#190 » by Jingles » Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:47 pm

While you can technically never have too many studs, I would not be heartbroken with a 7-10 range pick this year, especially if you think Memphis could take a mini-leap next year into more mid-lotto.

I know nothing about this draft but in most years that is still a range where you have a chance at a top 3 guy and a very good chance at still getting a guy who is the best “something.” Shooter, defender, upside, you never know.
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Re: Boston/Memphis/Milwaukee pick watch 

Post#191 » by zoyathedestroya » Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:58 pm

Of course we'd still rather have a pick near the top of the draft but here are some players taken from 10-15 in the last decade -- Giannis, Kawhi, Paul George, Booker, Mitchell, Myles Turner, McCollum, Klay, Sabonis, Steven Adams, Adebayo, SGA, Oubre.

This is a return for Jeff Green we are talking about.
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Re: Boston/Memphis/Milwaukee pick watch 

Post#192 » by sully00 » Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:44 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:
sully00 wrote:
Andrew McCeltic wrote:Our chance at Wiseman has gone up, too, since he’s sitting out the year.

I’m sure there are other examples of potential no. 1 picks slipping due to injury, playing abroad, the only things analogous to the Bazley route.. but right now I can only think of Noel, Mudiay and Michael Porter, Jr. And Embiid, obviously, but he - like Harry Giles - was a unique case.*


There is almost no chance of this happening. Wiseman is not injured and this is not a character flaw issue. Mitchell Robinson was more of a character concerns issue and I am pretty sure some GM's would like a redo on that one. Wiseman put out some game tape I think teams are going to be pretty comfortable with what they saw. He may have to workout more than most #1 picks do so be it. Ball and Cole Anthony could be shutting it down for the season shortly due to injury.


Oh uh, Darius Garland went 5 with a short reel and no serious injury concerns. So 7 for Wiseman is a stretch, but there’s a lot of time to the draft - months for other players to build reputations. And draft order can make a difference, too.


Garland was never considered the #1 pick his value actually rose while he was injured he was a late lottery pick going into the draft process. Wiseman won't slide past #2 unless their is some sort of crazy roster fit situation with the two top teams. Taking Ball over Wiseman is just silly Edwards I can at least understand the temptation.
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Post#193 » by Celtics_History_Lesson » Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:45 am

Don't pay too much attention to how they rank the picks, but Tanka people say Celtics have the third best accumulation of picks in the draft.

1 Atlanta 1, 18
2 New Orleans 4, 33, 36, 60
3 Boston 9, 28, 30, 48
4 New York 3, 43

Would rather have that a year later. The Celtics will instead draft Aleksej Pokusevski and Onyeka Okongwu and nobody will be able to say their names.
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Re: Boston/Memphis/Milwaukee pick watch 

Post#194 » by Captain_Caveman » Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:50 am

SmartWentCrazy wrote:I want the pick and want Obi Toppin


Toppin is projected top 4-5, and is only a day younger than Tatum.
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Re: Boston/Memphis/Milwaukee pick watch 

Post#195 » by Gant » Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:19 pm

Celtics_History_Lesson wrote:Don't pay too much attention to how they rank the picks, but Tanka people say Celtics have the third best accumulation of picks in the draft.

1 Atlanta 1, 18
2 New Orleans 4, 33, 36, 60
3 Boston 9, 28, 30, 48
4 New York 3, 43

Would rather have that a year later. The Celtics will instead draft Aleksej Pokusevski and Onyeka Okongwu and nobody will be able to say their names.


Tankathon's great, but the one flaw on that site is the draft pick bundle rankings. They way Way WAY overweight having multiple second round picks. It's amazing they don't adjust that broken formula.
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Re: Boston/Memphis/Milwaukee pick watch 

Post#196 » by SmartWentCrazy » Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:41 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:I want the pick and want Obi Toppin


Toppin is projected top 4-5, and is only a day younger than Tatum.


Is he that high? I thought he was more in the 6-8 range.

He’s old, but its a misnomer. He went through a late growth spurt and hasnt spent much time as a big. I view his ‘development age’ as different than his actual age and see some real upside here.
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Post#197 » by sam_I_am » Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:43 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:Obi Toppen is moving up the board. Not sure I would want to use lottery pick on a 22 yo sophomore. However, the little I’ve seen of him he looks NBA ready, strong and can finish way above the rim. If his rise allows McDaniels or Carey or even Wiseman to fall to Celtics....that would be nice.


Im buying stock on Toppin— he grew 7 inches his senior year and is only recently starting to figure out how to play with his new size. He’s not a true 22 from a development standpoint.


I think Toppin would help right away as a role player just catching lobs and digging out put backs. His size and style fits a need and he would be NBA ready. If he is like you say another Siakam type who although older still has a higher ceiling as a late bloomer, that would be a perfect fit. If we keep Memphis pick, I hope it defers for another year and we draft an 18-19 year old who starts to comes into his prime in 2023 like Tatum/Brown are now and when Hayward and Kemba are passing on the torch.
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Re: Boston/Memphis/Milwaukee pick watch 

Post#198 » by CelticsPride18 » Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:46 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:I want the pick and want Obi Toppin


Toppin is projected top 4-5, and is only a day younger than Tatum.


Is he that high? I thought he was more in the 6-8 range.

He’s old, but its a misnomer. He went through a late growth spurt and hasnt spent much time as a big. I view his ‘development age’ as different than his actual age and see some real upside here.


He looks like a Kyle Kuzma clone
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Re: Boston/Memphis/Milwaukee pick watch 

Post#199 » by SmartWentCrazy » Tue Dec 24, 2019 3:10 pm

CelticsPride18 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
Toppin is projected top 4-5, and is only a day younger than Tatum.


Is he that high? I thought he was more in the 6-8 range.

He’s old, but its a misnomer. He went through a late growth spurt and hasnt spent much time as a big. I view his ‘development age’ as different than his actual age and see some real upside here.


He looks like a Kyle Kuzma clone


He plays defense, though.
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Re: Boston/Memphis/Milwaukee pick watch 

Post#200 » by Homerclease » Tue Dec 24, 2019 4:05 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
CelticsPride18 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Is he that high? I thought he was more in the 6-8 range.

He’s old, but its a misnomer. He went through a late growth spurt and hasnt spent much time as a big. I view his ‘development age’ as different than his actual age and see some real upside here.


He looks like a Kyle Kuzma clone


He plays defense, though.

Screams KO to me. Give me McDaniels and his upside

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