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2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

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Who do you prefer of the following prospects?

Desmond Bane
12
41%
Saddiq Bey
1
3%
RJ Hampton
1
3%
Kira Lewis Jr
4
14%
Tyrese Maxey
2
7%
Aaron Nesmith
2
7%
Isaac Okoro
1
3%
Jalen Smith
2
7%
Tyrell Terry
2
7%
Patrick Williams
2
7%
 
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#61 » by bwgood77 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:09 am

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I have more time than most I guess being currently disabled, But with respect to convenience, At least anyone who's curious getting closer to the draft won't have to look around much as they're all in one place....lol. :tooth :cheesygrin: Also, it's not bad to have a variety of talented prospects for consideration, and for the purpose of comparative analysis....lol. That, And I didn't want to have multiple repeating posts too. :D

Lastly, I have much respect for many posters on here as I just personally think that this platform has some really keen basketball minds, and I value the feedback that I may get on their perspectives in terms of fit on our team, ad well as their perspectives on potential, talent and skillsets.


I agree, and I think it's great you provide so much input on draft prospects, but have mentioned, even in PMs that maybe you should focus on one prospect and one video per post every couple of days. When people see a long post with 7 videos, I imagine few, if any, take the time to look at them all.

It's more for your benefit (and others) that more people will read and take in the valuable content you provide.



I agree man. And definitely, There's room for improvement in that regard....lol. But you're of course right. And I'll have to remember and apply your sound advice accordingly. And if by chance you check out any of the prospects listed in your downtime, or whatever, I'd love to hear your thoughts on potential fit with respect to our current roster. As I know that you have a keen eye for possible hidden talent with college prospects. :D


I'll probably look closer at them when I know our range. However, I will pay attention to college basketball to see who thrives against quality competition and read a lot of what the people who do a lot of scouting say (stepien, espn, the ringer, redteamscouting, etc).

But a little too early for me. I don't think you can tell too much until mid conference season, unless you are talking about an upper classman or maybe a sophomore like Halliburton or Jones....but neither were really on my radar last year....I heard about Tre but he really dropped from beginning to end of season.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#62 » by darealjuice » Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:47 pm

Can't say I've watched much college basketball yet this year, but looks like Nico has struggled a bit recently. Curious to see where his stock stands at the end of the season if he doesn't have a strong showing in conference play.
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Post#63 » by TheLogician » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:01 am

darealjuice wrote:Can't say I've watched much college basketball yet this year, but looks like Nico has struggled a bit recently. Curious to see where his stock stands at the end of the season if he doesn't have a strong showing in conference play.


Nico hasn’t shown much ability to get to the rim. He has a nice floater but rarely blows by defenders. Great vision and passer—sets up teammates for easy buckets and doesn’t turn the ball over. Shooting mechanics are funky but consistent. I like Green quite a bit. Athletic defender with plus wingspan. Good-looking jump shot that just hasn’t been going down lately. He had both shoulders operated on over the summer; not sure if that’s a lingering problem or red flag. Nnaji has an excellent motor but needs to develop a 3 ball.
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Post#64 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:21 pm

If we're late lottery, I think an "obvious" choice if he's available might be this guy: http://www.tankathon.com/players/onyeka-okongwu
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Post#65 » by Desertfox » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:51 pm

We should be looking only at seniors, with injury red flags, at positions we already have too many players, slated to go 10 picks below ours.
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Post#66 » by Bogyo » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:59 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:If we're late lottery, I think an "obvious" choice if he's available might be this guy: http://www.tankathon.com/players/onyeka-okongwu


I don't think we'll get that high pick unless the wheels completely fall off here.
On the funnier side, tankathon has us taking Avdija now. Israeli league, same where Bender played. European guy after missing out on Luka. So he'll be a bust if we take him :lol: Just kidding, I think he'll actually be something like Bogdanovic in a couple years, a bit bigger, so more of a forward than a guard, with whatever that comes with... +rebounds/blocks, -ball handling/assists but we are set at SF and he is not really a PF, unless Ayton becomes Ben Wallace until the draft.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#67 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:54 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:If we're late lottery, I think an "obvious" choice if he's available might be this guy: http://www.tankathon.com/players/onyeka-okongwu


Yeah, I really like Okongwu too. I see him as a better shotblocking Elton Brand with 3 point shooting. He'd definitely be amazing next to Ayton with his skillset and actual shotblocking too. Although I do worry about him possiblybclimbing in the lottery( out of our range). And of course our lottery placement will depend upon whether or not we'll continue to be plagued by injuries.

As of now, I have us projected ( due to injuries and roster issues defensively) finishing at around 28-30 wins and 52-54 losses. Placing us in range of a possible top 5 pick. But even with modest improvement, I don't see us slipping past the 10th or 11th pick honestly. But again, Okungwu would be amazing consolation prize for us in spite of a another disappointing season. I see him likely moving up into the 5-7 range of the lottery at best. So if we find ourselves in that range, We'll be cool I think.

Also to be considered was a really nice find by Bgood. Paul Reed, A 6'9 power forward 220 lb. Power forward for DePaul.

He's currently projected to be around late first to early 2nd round. But could be a secondary value option later on in the draft, Should we find ourselves missing, or out of range of Okungwu.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#68 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:17 pm

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ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:If we're late lottery, I think an "obvious" choice if he's available might be this guy: http://www.tankathon.com/players/onyeka-okongwu


I don't think we'll get that high pick unless the wheels completely fall off here.
On the funnier side, tankathon has us taking Avdija now. Israeli league, same where Bender played. European guy after missing out on Luka. So he'll be a bust if we take him :lol: Just kidding, I think he'll actually be something like Bogdanovic in a couple years, a bit bigger, so more of a forward than a guard, with whatever that comes with... +rebounds/blocks, -ball handling/assists but we are set at SF and he is not really a PF, unless Ayton becomes Ben Wallace until the draft.


I like Deni Avdijas' playmaking skills at 6'9. But he really needs to improve his 3 point shooting and defense. I think he's ok perhaps. But IF we're looking at small forwards, Which I hope that we're not! As we already have Oubre, Bridges, and potentially Cam Johnson that fit there. I'd prefer Tyler Bey and Jordan Nwora over them for their skillsets and potential contribution.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=deni-avdija--tyler-bey--jordan-nwora.

I know that I've been talking a lot about trying to trade for Aaron Gordon in a shawn Marion type role for us. But Tyler Bey actually fits that role even better, As he's an uber athletic player that is also a dominant rebounder and an above average shotblocker too. And ** ( most importantly, He'd allow us to maintain our two Tyler's on the roster prockivity!) :lol:
And Jordan Nwora would give us a tough, athletic defensive version of Oubre. Yet also being a really good shooter and hitting on 41% of his threes as well.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#69 » by bwgood77 » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:35 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:If we're late lottery, I think an "obvious" choice if he's available might be this guy: http://www.tankathon.com/players/onyeka-okongwu


Yeah, I mentioned him before. Defense looks great, the blocked shots, steals, def rtg, rebounds, etc. Only drawbacks are assists and no 3s. Would be a great pick if Ayton becomes a legit 3 pt shooter, but even with Ayton's midrange being good, this guy could work more inside.
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Post#70 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:37 pm

Man second draft class in a row that I have a very meh opinion of. I'm sure I'll talk myself into some guys as we get closer :)

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#71 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:38 pm

Bogyo wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:If we're late lottery, I think an "obvious" choice if he's available might be this guy: http://www.tankathon.com/players/onyeka-okongwu


I don't think we'll get that high pick unless the wheels completely fall off here.


Yeah, him being available at the back end of the lottery might be a long shot, but it's worth noting that a lot of the teams ahead of us in the current mock currently start bigs recently taken in the lottery. A lot of these teams may prefer to take a wing player. Moving up a few spots isn't an impossibility, either, when you consider our assets and cap flexibility.

Since we're building around Ayton, I'd like to see us make size and strength the core of our identity as a basketball team. Pairing a guy like Okongwu with Ayton would give us a pretty big advantage down low against most teams. That kind of advantage may be worth moving up for.
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Post#72 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:04 pm

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ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:If we're late lottery, I think an "obvious" choice if he's available might be this guy: http://www.tankathon.com/players/onyeka-okongwu


Yeah, I mentioned him before. Defense looks great, the blocked shots, steals, def rtg, rebounds, etc. Only drawbacks are assists and no 3s. Would be a great pick if Ayton becomes a legit 3 pt shooter, but even with Ayton's midrange being good, this guy could work more inside.


You're definitely right man, In that he doesn't attempt to shoot 3s'. But he seems to have good form on his jumpshot, and the one three that he appears to have taken in that game looks to have good arc and rotation as well.


( at the 12 second mark).
As dominant as he is in the post, I'd sure hope that he works on taking more shots and further developing that aspect of his game. By the way, What are your thoughts on Tyler Bey, Jordan Nwora, and Ashton Hagans?
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Post#73 » by Bogyo » Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:15 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Man second draft class in a row that I have a very meh opinion of. I'm sure I'll talk myself into some guys as we get closer :)

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Kinda yes, kinda no. There is no LeBron or Zion at the top for sure - so kinda no. But the good thing about this for a team like us is that the talent at 10-15 isn't any worse in reality than at 3-4-5. With good scouting you can pick up a nice player there, which is exactley what we need if we think that our core is set for the next couple years with Ricky/Book/Mikal/Oubre/Ayton - so kinda yes.

It also opens up our trade possibilities. We can trade up more easy if we really fall in love with someone, trade out to get a "surefire" addition to the core (at PF of bench PG), trade down and pick up an extra asset, or go with BPA and trade somebody else a bit later. Not a bad position to be in, if you trust the management. (Not sure I fully do, but that's another question).
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Post#74 » by TheLogician » Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:53 pm

Yeah, multiple good PFs (Okongwu probably the best). Hard to mess this up but then again it's the Suns.
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Post#75 » by TeamTragic » Mon Dec 23, 2019 5:43 am

Desertfox wrote:We should be looking only at seniors, with injury red flags, at positions we already have too many players, slated to go 10 picks below ours.


You forgot about cash considerations :lol:
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Post#76 » by Desertfox » Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:27 am

I didn't... ;)

Desertfox wrote:The only prospect y'all should be scouting is Cash Considerations, I hear the Suns are really high on him.
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Post#77 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:12 pm

So thoughts on LaMelo? I wasn't a lonzo guy that draft year but I'm honestly kind of intrigued by LaMelo. He's definitely a boom or bust type.

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Post#78 » by bwgood77 » Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:24 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:So thoughts on LaMelo? I wasn't a lonzo guy that draft year but I'm honestly kind of intrigued by LaMelo. He's definitely a boom or bust type.

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Stay away from that family. I can't tell how much I like Mannion yet...he is an interesting case. You can tell he has a TON of confidence, is definitely a team first guy and gives his teammates every chance to be the scorers but will take over if/when needed. Seems like a really smart player.

As far as AZ players though, I am extremly intrigued by Zeke Nnaji, the guy in my avatar. I'm a little shocked he is not even in tankathon's top 60 on their big board, though they probably work more off other lists, which really don't update until conference play.

I guess Nnaji is #22 on ESPNs top prospects...and LaMelo is actually #1 there. https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable
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Post#79 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:31 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:So thoughts on LaMelo? I wasn't a lonzo guy that draft year but I'm honestly kind of intrigued by LaMelo. He's definitely a boom or bust type.

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Stay away from that family. I can't tell how much I like Mannion yet...he is an interesting case. You can tell he has a TON of confidence, is definitely a team first guy and gives his teammates every chance to be the scorers but will take over if/when needed. Seems like a really smart player.

As far as AZ players though, I am extremly intrigued by Zeke Nnaji, the guy in my avatar. I'm a little shocked he is not even in tankathon's top 60 on their big board, though they probably work more off other lists, which really don't update until conference play.

I guess Nnaji is #22 on ESPNs top prospects...and LaMelo is actually #1 there. https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable
Ha yeah I was totally off the ball family when it was lonzo, I'm actually less afraid with LaMelo. It's round 3 with the ball kids and I feel like they may have learned from the issues thus far and it will be less of a problem with him.

Now my opinions will probably really evolve as the year goes on. I'm not a big college hoops guy so don't really get to know a draft class until much later in the year. Hell I think around this time last year I was super high on Reddish lol and by the draft I wouldn't have touched him top 10. In fairness the 'idea' of reddish as a prospect is a nice player it just so happens he can't play.

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Post#80 » by TheLogician » Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:52 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:So thoughts on LaMelo? I wasn't a lonzo guy that draft year but I'm honestly kind of intrigued by LaMelo. He's definitely a boom or bust type.

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Stay away from that family. I can't tell how much I like Mannion yet...he is an interesting case. You can tell he has a TON of confidence, is definitely a team first guy and gives his teammates every chance to be the scorers but will take over if/when needed. Seems like a really smart player.

As far as AZ players though, I am extremly intrigued by Zeke Nnaji, the guy in my avatar. I'm a little shocked he is not even in tankathon's top 60 on their big board, though they probably work more off other lists, which really don't update until conference play.

I guess Nnaji is #22 on ESPNs top prospects...and LaMelo is actually #1 there. https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable


He’s not picking up Miller’s defense but we’ve seen that before. Super efficient scorer and FT% suggests he could add an outside shot. Not the athlete Bagley was but similar production.

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