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MrFortune3 · Post #261 » by **MrFortune3** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 12:12 am

johnnyvann840 wrote:Somebody stop the Pelicans. 4 wins in a row with wins against Denver, Indiana and Houston (and Portland). Bulls have them next week.

They have a good coach and talent, they just need health and consistency. You can't suffer as many early injuries and go through as many lineup changes as they have and win consistently early on.

Ingram and Zion will be a very nice start to their rebuild. Now they need to go on a run and remain healthy.

dice · Post #262 » by **dice** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 12:48 am

Hold That wrote:bulls need to be monitoring the Towns situation. We have the pieces to get him. If we can pair him and Wendell together that would be amazing.. I’d package Lauri and our first rounder if it’s outside of the top 10 for him.. hell they can have Coby White too..sending them back a package extremely similar to what they sent us for Butler.

they'll get multiple better offers than that

Hold That · Post #263 » by **Hold That** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 1:17 am

dice wrote:
Hold That wrote:bulls need to be monitoring the Towns situation. We have the pieces to get him. If we can pair him and Wendell together that would be amazing.. I’d package Lauri and our first rounder if it’s outside of the top 10 for him.. hell they can have Coby White too..sending them back a package extremely similar to what they sent us for Butler.

they'll get multiple better offers than that

From who? Atlanta is the only other team I can think of

johnnyvann840 · Post #264 » by **johnnyvann840** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 2:12 am

MrFortune3 wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:Somebody stop the Pelicans. 4 wins in a row with wins against Denver, Indiana and Houston (and Portland). Bulls have them next week.

They have a good coach and talent, they just need health and consistency. You can't suffer as many early injuries and go through as many lineup changes as they have and win consistently early on.

Ingram and Zion will be a very nice start to their rebuild. Now they need to go on a run and remain healthy.

Depending on the health of Zion, they could wind up sneaking up into a bottom playoff seed in the WC and be a dark horse to make some noise. They way they are coming together now is nice to see.

TheGOATRises007 · Post #265 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 2:27 am

ZOMG wrote:
Ice Man wrote:The Wolves yesterday had a heartening victory against a decent Nets team, only their 2nd win in their past 13 games. Not playing were ... KAT and Wiggins.

You can't make this stuff up. Honestly, I think if the Wolves traded KAT and Wiggins for a sled and six reindeer the Wolves would be better off. They'd probably win just as many games right now as with those two sluggards on the roster, and then they'd enter this summer with $60 million to spend on players who care.

The downside of getting a #1 pick is if that guy isn't right he'll take a franchise down, because everything is catered to him and built around him, even if he doesn't produce. And the Wolves have not just one but two of those guys. Yikes.

This.

To all the people here who keep repeating like a broken record that a "superstar" is the only way into NBA nirvana: just look at this s**tshow. The Wolves have their superstar (who's being paid actual superstar money), and where has he taken them? Straight into the basement.

And now that he has his money, he's looking for his next victim.

KAT is not a superstar and never has been.

Superstars can lead their team to the playoffs.

The only time KAT went to the players is when a better player was the lead guy of the Wolves.

Andi Obst · Post #266 » by **Andi Obst** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 3:01 am

I'm German, so I'm biased, but I never really got why Hartenstein couldn't get minutes on the Rockets. They even played whatever is left of Tyson Chandler and Nene over him. He's everything they would want in a big: he's super active on both ends, very quick for his size and a good rim runner. I think he even has some upside as a shooter, but that might be asking too much for now.

Nice to see him getting actual minutes right now.

Andi Obst · Post #267 » by **Andi Obst** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 3:33 am

OKC vs Dallas was a fun one. CLUTCH performance by CP3. When healthy, he can still give your team a lot. Hearing him talk in the postgame interview, it seems like he's a great leader for that squad.

dice · Post #268 » by **dice** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 4:00 am

Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
ZOMG wrote:
Ice Man wrote:The Wolves yesterday had a heartening victory against a decent Nets team, only their 2nd win in their past 13 games. Not playing were ... KAT and Wiggins.

You can't make this stuff up. Honestly, I think if the Wolves traded KAT and Wiggins for a sled and six reindeer the Wolves would be better off. They'd probably win just as many games right now as with those two sluggards on the roster, and then they'd enter this summer with $60 million to spend on players who care.

The downside of getting a #1 pick is if that guy isn't right he'll take a franchise down, because everything is catered to him and built around him, even if he doesn't produce. And the Wolves have not just one but two of those guys. Yikes.

This.

To all the people here who keep repeating like a broken record that a "superstar" is the only way into NBA nirvana: just look at this s**tshow. The Wolves have their superstar (who's being paid actual superstar money), and where has he taken them? Straight into the basement.

And now that he has his money, he's looking for his next victim.

KAT is not a superstar and never has been.

Superstars can lead their team to the playoffs.

The only time KAT went to the players is when a better player was the lead guy of the Wolves.

KG missed the playoffs a couple of times in his prime. was michael jordan a superstar as a rookie? he made the playoffs, but only because the league had only 23 teams at the time

KAT has never played with an all-star other than jimmy butler

dice · Post #269 » by **dice** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 4:08 am

spurs up to 8th seed, sixers down to 6th seed

johnnyvann840 · Post #270 » by **johnnyvann840** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 4:37 am

dice wrote:spurs up to 8th seed, sixers down to 6th seed

Sixers got throttled by the Pacers. Great to see that. I hope the Sixers fail miserably. lost 6 of their last 9 games and dropping like a rock. They've got Houston, a hot OKC team, BOS, DAL, IND, BKN.. then they get a break with us and the Knicks before BKN, TOR and the Lakers. Important tough stretch for them to start the New Year.

johnnyvann840 · Post #271 » by **johnnyvann840** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 4:40 am

Warriors took the Spurs into OT on the road. I think the Warriors are going to surprise some people in the 2nd half of the season. I would bet (if forced to choose) they wind up with a better record than the Bulls by the end of the season.

TheGOATRises007 · Post #272 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 4:40 am

dice wrote:
Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
ZOMG wrote:
This.

To all the people here who keep repeating like a broken record that a "superstar" is the only way into NBA nirvana: just look at this s**tshow. The Wolves have their superstar (who's being paid actual superstar money), and where has he taken them? Straight into the basement.

And now that he has his money, he's looking for his next victim.

KAT is not a superstar and never has been.

Superstars can lead their team to the playoffs.

The only time KAT went to the players is when a better player was the lead guy of the Wolves.

KG missed the playoffs a couple of times in his prime. was michael jordan a superstar as a rookie? he made the playoffs, but only because the league had only 23 teams at the time

KAT has never played with an all-star other than jimmy butler

You could certainly argue MJ being a superstar as a rookie.

KG missed the playoffs only twice in his prime and made it numerous times and was the best player in the league during 2003-2004.

KAT has never come close to that impact. If we are calling him a superstar, then that term is being used VERY LOOSELY.

MrFortune3 · Post #273 » by **MrFortune3** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 4:41 am

johnnyvann840 wrote:
MrFortune3 wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:Somebody stop the Pelicans. 4 wins in a row with wins against Denver, Indiana and Houston (and Portland). Bulls have them next week.

They have a good coach and talent, they just need health and consistency. You can't suffer as many early injuries and go through as many lineup changes as they have and win consistently early on.

Ingram and Zion will be a very nice start to their rebuild. Now they need to go on a run and remain healthy.

Depending on the health of Zion, they could wind up sneaking up into a bottom playoff seed in the WC and be a dark horse to make some noise. They way they are coming together now is nice to see.

They're probably going to be similar to the Nuggets the past few seasons. Sneaky good and on the rise but not quite enough firepower to take a Titan out.

MrFortune3 · Post #274 » by **MrFortune3** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 4:42 am

Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
dice wrote:
Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
KAT is not a superstar and never has been.

Superstars can lead their team to the playoffs.

The only time KAT went to the players is when a better player was the lead guy of the Wolves.

KG missed the playoffs a couple of times in his prime. was michael jordan a superstar as a rookie? he made the playoffs, but only because the league had only 23 teams at the time

KAT has never played with an all-star other than jimmy butler

You could certainly argue MJ being a superstar as a rookie.

KG missed the playoffs only twice in his prime and made it numerous times and was the best player in the league during 2003-2004.

KAT has never come close to that impact. If we are calling him a superstar, then that term is being used VERY LOOSELY.

KG carried some seriously **** teams to the playoffs. If Minnesota was ever able to build a really good team around him it would be been fun to watch.

Andi Obst · Post #275 » by **Andi Obst** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 4:47 am

johnnyvann840 wrote:
dice wrote:spurs up to 8th seed, sixers down to 6th seed

Sixers got throttled by the Pacers. Great to see that. I hope the Sixers fail miserably. lost 6 of their last 9 games and dropping like a rock. They've got Houston, a hot OKC team, BOS, DAL, IND, BKN.. then they get a break with us and the Knicks before BKN, TOR and the Lakers. Important tough stretch for them to start the New Year.

Could also be an important stretch for Brett Brown. Can't afford too many losses here.

TheGOATRises007 · Post #276 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 4:48 am

It was painfully obvious the Sixers got worse in the offseason.

I don't know why so many on the GB were so high on them.

I'll be bold and predict they lose in the 1st round in the playoffs.

RakimAbdulJabar · Post #277 » by **RakimAbdulJabar** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 5:07 am

KAT has possibly the worst body language in the league towards his teammates. He may be talented (Allstar but not superstar in my opinion) but man I would hate to play alongside him, he's a big baby

There was a clip of Teague dribbling up top and then driving past his defender while Towns stood at the 3 point line having a hissy fit because Teague didn't give him the ball, I couldn't find it but he has reactions like that all the time. As a fan and someone who played basketball for many years including a few seasons alongside a guy like that, there are few things worse than a teammate like that

kodo · Post #278 » by **kodo** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 5:16 am

Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
dice wrote:
Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
KAT is not a superstar and never has been.

Superstars can lead their team to the playoffs.

The only time KAT went to the players is when a better player was the lead guy of the Wolves.

KG missed the playoffs a couple of times in his prime. was michael jordan a superstar as a rookie? he made the playoffs, but only because the league had only 23 teams at the time

KAT has never played with an all-star other than jimmy butler

You could certainly argue MJ being a superstar as a rookie.

KG missed the playoffs only twice in his prime and made it numerous times and was the best player in the league during 2003-2004.

KAT has never come close to that impact. If we are calling him a superstar, then that term is being used VERY LOOSELY.

Isn't Kyrie a superstar? It certainly feels like it.

Alone, Kyrie led his team to 21, 24, and 33 wins.

TheGOATRises007 · Post #279 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 5:17 am

kodo wrote:
Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
dice wrote:KG missed the playoffs a couple of times in his prime. was michael jordan a superstar as a rookie? he made the playoffs, but only because the league had only 23 teams at the time

KAT has never played with an all-star other than jimmy butler

You could certainly argue MJ being a superstar as a rookie.

KG missed the playoffs only twice in his prime and made it numerous times and was the best player in the league during 2003-2004.

KAT has never come close to that impact. If we are calling him a superstar, then that term is being used VERY LOOSELY.

Isn't Kyrie a superstar? It certainly feels like it.

Alone, Kyrie led his team to 21, 24, and 33 wins.

I don't think Kyrie is a superstar either.

AKfanatic · Post #280 » by **AKfanatic** » Wed Jan 1, 2020 6:21 am

kodo wrote:
Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
dice wrote:KG missed the playoffs a couple of times in his prime. was michael jordan a superstar as a rookie? he made the playoffs, but only because the league had only 23 teams at the time

KAT has never played with an all-star other than jimmy butler

You could certainly argue MJ being a superstar as a rookie.

KG missed the playoffs only twice in his prime and made it numerous times and was the best player in the league during 2003-2004.

KAT has never come close to that impact. If we are calling him a superstar, then that term is being used VERY LOOSELY.

Isn't Kyrie a superstar? It certainly feels like it.

Alone, Kyrie led his team to 21, 24, and 33 wins.

Kyrie is a superstar based only on media and hype. He’s a guy that can hit a big shot here and there, but he’s not a guy you build around. He’s not far from an all flash, no substance type guy. He doesn’t elevate those around him and when those around him begin to get the credit they deserve, he pouts and plans his way to the next franchise that wrongly believes he can be the man.