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Game 37 Portland vs Miami 3:00pm SNW

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Re: Game 37 Portland vs Miami 3:00pm SNW 

Post#41 » by Roy The Natural » Mon Jan 6, 2020 12:26 am

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Brandon-Clyde wrote:Would Miami be looking as good as they are against a healthy Blazer squad? I think not

Miami don't have Jimmy Butler or Justise Winslow :lol:


While I do think the Blazers injuries have hurt them badly. I agree here. There seems to be this whitewashing of Portland's struggles as being due primarily to injuries. But here's the thing, Portland has been piling up losses against teams that are less talented than even an injury riddled Blazers. They've had losses to the Warriors, Cavs (w/o Love), Knicks, and a myriad of other terrible losses.

The injury excuse works when the team is playing healthy playoff teams. It doesn't pull when they're getting spanked by injured, garbage teams as they have spent a good portion of the season doing.

I very much dislike Stotts as the Blazers' coach. I haven't liked him for years, so it only makes sense that as the Blazers look worse I'd like him less. But even so, I'm not saying that the Blazers should fire him on the spot or anything. The Blazers do need to look at spending more money and bringing in some better assistant's though. Some guys with real track records of success. Because right now, this team just doesn't run much effective movement on offense, and their defense looks utterly lost.

The defense goes beyond talent. We're in January and miscommunication is still regular. Overhelping is still regular. Falling asleep off the ball is still regular. All of this is team-wide. A large portion of the team doesn't even play hard regularly, they don't dive for loose balls or scramble. At some point there has to be some admission that at least some portion of this falls back on the coaching staff.

This Portland team needs to do something though. Whether it's a trade. Resting good players. Playing the youngins and running plays for them to encourage development and confidence. It's VERY QUICKLY approaching the point to make decisions on the remainder of the season.
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Re: Game 37 Portland vs Miami 3:00pm SNW 

Post#42 » by Roy The Natural » Mon Jan 6, 2020 12:32 am

Epicurus wrote:On offense undisciplined teams are NOT so low in turnovers. On defense I am not sure what discipine can be applied to guards who historically have not, and probably, can not adequately stay in front of their man, nor with a backine, including reserves, with one adequate defender with size.

When the ball goes into the basket and the opponent don't shot far beyond their shot quality, then things look more disciplined. Today ain't one of those games. So potshots are available, and will be taken by axe grinders.


Disagree. This isn't because the team is disciplined on offense but rather a direct result of a team that plays heavy amounts of iso-ball and doesn't pass the ball.
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Re: Game 37 Portland vs Miami 3:00pm SNW 

Post#43 » by Epicurus » Mon Jan 6, 2020 12:38 am

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Epicurus wrote:On offense undisciplined teams are NOT so low in turnovers. On defense I am not sure what discipine can be applied to guards who historically have not, and probably, can not adequately stay in front of their man, nor with a backine, including reserves, with one adequate defender with size.

When the ball goes into the basket and the opponent don't shot far beyond their shot quality, then things look more disciplined. Today ain't one of those games. So potshots are available, and will be taken by axe grinders.


Disagree. This isn't because the team is disciplined on offense but rather a direct result of a team that plays heavy amounts of iso-ball and doesn't pass the ball.
You think one-on-one and p and r means undisciplined? BTW, 10% of possessions are ISOs, what about the other 90%?
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Re: Game 37 Portland vs Miami 3:00pm SNW 

Post#44 » by Roy The Natural » Mon Jan 6, 2020 12:41 am

Simons really floated Portland quite a bit over that last few minutes. He's been really good tonight.
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Re: Game 37 Portland vs Miami 3:00pm SNW 

Post#45 » by d-train » Mon Jan 6, 2020 12:47 am

Roy The Natural wrote:
Pure_Basketball wrote:
Brandon-Clyde wrote:Would Miami be looking as good as they are against a healthy Blazer squad? I think not

Miami don't have Jimmy Butler or Justise Winslow :lol:


This Portland team needs to do something though. Whether it's a trade. Resting good players. Playing the youngins and running plays for them to encourage development and confidence. It's VERY QUICKLY approaching the point to make decisions on the remainder of the season.

This is true as long as 'doing something' includes doing nothing. We should make a move is there is an opportunity that helps without doing any longterm damage. Nothing is the best something when there are no good opportunities.
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Re: Game 37 Portland vs Miami 3:00pm SNW 

Post#46 » by Brandon-Clyde » Mon Jan 6, 2020 12:49 am

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Re: Game 37 Portland vs Miami 3:00pm SNW 

Post#47 » by Roy The Natural » Mon Jan 6, 2020 12:51 am

d-train wrote:
Roy The Natural wrote:
Pure_Basketball wrote:Miami don't have Jimmy Butler or Justise Winslow :lol:


This Portland team needs to do something though. Whether it's a trade. Resting good players. Playing the youngins and running plays for them to encourage development and confidence. It's VERY QUICKLY approaching the point to make decisions on the remainder of the season.

This is true as long as 'doing something' includes doing nothing. We should make a move is there is an opportunity that helps without doing any longterm damage. Nothing is the best something when there are no good opportunities.


I'm not saying to make a rash trade to save the season. What I'm saying is that the Blazers upcoming 20 games is brutal. They could be at something like 18-32 over the next month+. Trotting Lillard/McCollum out there for 36 minutes a night at their respective ages is just dumb. If, or perhaps when, things begin to fall apart, it's time to start pulling back their minutes a bit and start running things for the young guys to see if we can maximize their development.
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Re: Game 37 Portland vs Miami 3:00pm SNW 

Post#48 » by Epicurus » Mon Jan 6, 2020 12:53 am

Offenses look good when you have sharpshooters. Defenses look bad when the opponent has sharpshooters.
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Re: Game 37 Portland vs Miami 3:00pm SNW 

Post#49 » by Epicurus » Mon Jan 6, 2020 12:56 am

Does having your deficiencies exposed longer "maximize" development?
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Re: Game 37 Portland vs Miami 3:00pm SNW 

Post#50 » by Roy The Natural » Mon Jan 6, 2020 1:01 am

Epicurus wrote:Does having your deficiencies exposed longer "maximize" development?


Sure. It gives you ample opportunity to improve on them. We've seen it time and again.
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Re: Game 37 Portland vs Miami 3:00pm SNW 

Post#51 » by Epicurus » Mon Jan 6, 2020 1:09 am

One improves by repeated displays of deficiencies? No, I haven't seen that much. I have seen more than a few players over the years lose confidence in their early years and end up salesmen for oil companies. Improvement comes from practice.
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Re: Game 37 Portland vs Miami 3:00pm SNW 

Post#52 » by Roy The Natural » Mon Jan 6, 2020 1:11 am

Epicurus wrote:One improves by repeated displays of deficiencies? No, I haven't seen that much. I have seen more than a few players over the years lose confidence in their early years and end up salesmen for oil companies. Improvement comes from practice.


And I have seen many do the exact opposite, breakthrough and improve their deficiencies mid-season.

No one is saying to give Nassir Little the ball and tell him to turn into Kawhi Leonard. But when this team likely falls to the point where the playoffs are out of the question, I don't see why you can't trot him out there and tell him to play good defense and try to run backdoor cuts and give him some live action to work on playing within a system and working on his finishing and awareness.

The notion behind hiding young players and letting them try and develop behind the scenes is all fine when they physically aren't ready, they are 2nd round low investments, and when playing them hurts the team competitively when being competitive is important.

The Blazers are fast approaching the point where remaining competitive this season is unimportant. They're not there yet. But given Portland's general health, and lack of improvement throughout the season to this point. It's a legitimate notion to bring up. Increasing minutes to the young players and giving them a defined role and some live action should help going forward. It gives them ample film to go over in the offseason and dissect what they need to improve on, and how they can go about doing it.
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Re: Game 37 Portland vs Miami 3:00pm SNW 

Post#53 » by Epicurus » Mon Jan 6, 2020 1:12 am

Time to remove Dame.
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Re: Game 37 Portland vs Miami 3:00pm SNW 

Post#54 » by d-train » Mon Jan 6, 2020 5:34 am

I can't wait for the playoffs with Lillard, CJ, Nurkic, Melo, and Collins as our starting lineup. Backed up by Whiteside, Bazemore, Simons, Mario, and Skal. I don't care what our regular season record is.
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Re: Game 37 Portland vs Miami 3:00pm SNW 

Post#55 » by Norm2953 » Mon Jan 6, 2020 6:18 am

Nothing is going to salvage this season unless the other teams "competing" for the playoffs
decide to tank harder. Hoping for Collins and Nurk to come back strong in the next 3 months
is a bit much.
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Re: Game 37 Portland vs Miami 3:00pm SNW 

Post#56 » by Matt800 » Mon Jan 6, 2020 6:49 am

I could see Nurkic coming back strong this season, but I'm not so sure about Collins. And even with both, I think they would still need a better SF in the rotation. But who knows, last year I would not have imagined them winning a playoff series with the players they had available at the time.
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Re: Game 37 Portland vs Miami 3:00pm SNW 

Post#57 » by Pattycakes » Mon Jan 6, 2020 9:36 am

We ain’t making the playoffs this year and that’s okay. Don’t deserve it. Injuries or not, we let some of the wrong guys go at the wrong time.
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Re: Game 37 Portland vs Miami 3:00pm SNW 

Post#58 » by Soulyss » Mon Jan 6, 2020 7:15 pm

Matt800 wrote:I could see Nurkic coming back strong this season, but I'm not so sure about Collins. And even with both, I think they would still need a better SF in the rotation. But who knows, last year I would not have imagined them winning a playoff series with the players they had available at the time.


I don't think Collins plays again this year, that's a real easy injury to re-aggravate if not allowed to fully heal. In any case by the time they could bring him back, Portland will be effectively eliminated from the playoffs so what would be the point.
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Re: Game 37 Portland vs Miami 3:00pm SNW 

Post#59 » by Blazinaway » Mon Jan 6, 2020 9:15 pm

I'm not sure what's harder to watch - a Blazer game or a Trump rally? FUGLY stuff
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Re: Game 37 Portland vs Miami 3:00pm SNW 

Post#60 » by TroubleS0me » Tue Jan 7, 2020 12:08 am

yea..we got shooters in Miami

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