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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#121 » by KGdaBom » Sat Jan 4, 2020 1:59 am

Jedzz wrote:
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Something bogus is going on. This smacks of the same silence and unexplained length of outage from RoCo last season under Ryan.

Someone ask him the question already.



Seems like a question that Johnny Althletic wouldn't back down from but has anyone even asked about Layman's prognosis? I really liked what he brought to the team before the injury.

Back to the construction of the roster, I think most of us would agree that we need to invest in a franchise PG, most likely with draft capital rather than via trade or FA. For those of you that follow college hoops more closely than I do, who would be your preferred pick in the 2020 draft assuming we had our choice of the litter?


Why can't Napier work for now? His first big changes at starting minutes and leading here has amounted to three straight games of over 20pts scoring, hitting baskets well over 50% from anywhere, the offense is clicking along no matter who is playing with him.

Why should they turn a blind eye to this now and think about dumping the big assets into finding yet another to replace him? I can see adding more PGs, just maybe not sinking everything into it now that this guy has shown up.

Expecting Napier to continue to play at the last three games level is extremely contrary to his entire career.
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Post#122 » by minimus » Sat Jan 4, 2020 4:31 am

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Seems like a question that Johnny Althletic wouldn't back down from but has anyone even asked about Layman's prognosis? I really liked what he brought to the team before the injury.

Back to the construction of the roster, I think most of us would agree that we need to invest in a franchise PG, most likely with draft capital rather than via trade or FA. For those of you that follow college hoops more closely than I do, who would be your preferred pick in the 2020 draft assuming we had our choice of the litter?


Why can't Napier work for now? His first big changes at starting minutes and leading here has amounted to three straight games of over 20pts scoring, hitting baskets well over 50% from anywhere, the offense is clicking along no matter who is playing with him.

Why should they turn a blind eye to this now and think about dumping the big assets into finding yet another to replace him? I can see adding more PGs, just maybe not sinking everything into it now that this guy has shown up.


For the most part, I like what we've seen from Napier so far but I'm not convinced he can be a true difference maker at PG long-term for any franchise. I have a feeling we'll get the chance to see much more of him as the year progresses...and play Naz Reid more!!!!!


Napier is that type of veteran presence that we need. His strong play at PG stabilize our offense, he also is a plus defender. This is enough for me to resign him to a deal a bit bigger that vetmin. I was telling this before his recent play, and when fans were telling that he is a ballhog and chucker.

Reid gets enough opportunities to learn. Right now his development is #1 priority, it means that consistent playing time is far more valuable than garbage minutes with main team. This is exactly what our development coaches do with Iowa team. We can see it everytime our gleague players get opportunities with Wolves. We also need to play KAT and Dieng at C.

I am also very patient about Nowell playing time, he is such a good shooter: excellent mechanic, footwork and balance, so I am not worried about his future. I am also surprised about his shot creation skills, he is not a limited catch and shoot scorer. I think he will look better when we have more stable rotation and a leading ballhandler. Without good open looks he struggles to find shooting rhythm. Right now Culver is much better defender and ballhandler than Nowell, which seems to be more valuable for us and as we can see has helped to build some kind of defensive identity.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#123 » by Jedzz » Sat Jan 4, 2020 5:03 am

KGdaBom wrote:Expecting Napier to continue to play at the last three games level is extremely contrary to his entire career.


The only other season in his career where he averaged at least 20 minutes he was a 45/38/84 shooter, playing backup or side seat to Lillard. Mind you, this is only his 6th season right now and he's had to endure many of those at sub 20 minute roles. He's just now reached maybe his 31st start of his career. Imagine that. Wiggins has over 400 starts. As a smallish 24th pick of the draft joining Miami behind Dragic, did you expect him to take the league by storm with 35 free minutes a night like a Rubio or Wiggins as a rookie?

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then 1yr at Orlando for 10 mins/g
then 1 yr at Portland behind Lillard for 9 mins/g
Then 1 more yr at Portland where he reached 20 mins/g(74 games). learned something from playing with Lillard?
then 1 yr at Nets at 17 mins/g behind Dlo and Dinwiddie who was already there. Much of it off ball?

Maybe this is the perfect timing for Napier. Maybe this is the perfect place for him right now. It sure looks like his first chance ever to take the reigns of anything. He's finally been handed keys and he's showing everything you could want from a PG. Why doubt him, let's roll with it for as long as he can show it.

My only concern is not knowing his injury history. He's small. Does he have staying power if they run him 30 minutes/g for a season? Let's find out. I'm 100% willing to start him the rest of the season and find out.

In 22 starts this year already Dlo has 4 games of reaching 50% 3pt shooting, with 36% on avg. Averaging 31 mins/g.

In 7 recorded starts here, but only 3 games with at least 30 mins, Napier has 3 games over 50% from 3, and 1 game of 40% from 3.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#124 » by Jedzz » Sat Jan 4, 2020 5:32 am

Russell had 81 starts last season and 18 games of shooting 3s at =/>50%. 12 of Dlo's 50% games were +30 min games. He had 39 games of over 30mins each.

Napier has 3 games of 30 mins/g and each one is =/>50%. Let's find out man. Run him 30+ mins and let's find out.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#125 » by old school 34 » Mon Jan 6, 2020 11:39 pm

Jedzz wrote:Russell had 81 starts last season and 18 games of shooting 3s at =/>50%. 12 of Dlo's 50% games were +30 min games. He had 39 games of over 30mins each.

Napier has 3 games of 30 mins/g and each one is =/>50%. Let's find out man. Run him 30+ mins and let's find out.
I got no problem giving Napier the majority of the run as currently constructed. Besides just finding out how much he can become....he has the best understanding of what Prigioni wants on offense & a skillset to match & what Vanterpool wants defensively & while diminutive gives great effort.

Wouldn't stop me from still making a trade at the position for sure....but if he continues to play really well....say you make the DSJ trade....then you have added leverage with a guy like DSJ that he still has to earn it & continue to develop (kind of how Nets balanced things & got DLo to turn the corner)?

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Post#126 » by old school 34 » Mon Jan 6, 2020 11:47 pm

On the wing front....assuming Wiggins stays & say Martin remains in similar role on 2-way contract. Is Graham finally out of rotation which I'm kind of thinking is the case now?

When Layman comes back who's minutes does he take? If asked today....I think I lean Okogie? He actually after knocking rust off might eat up all of JO's & KBD's minutes both if Saunders managed the rotation appropriately?

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Post#127 » by Jedzz » Tue Jan 7, 2020 12:49 am

Everyone should recognize what Napier is showing right now. I believe this is the first time we've given him the chance to lead here.

Last 4 consecutive games. All 30 minutes or over. Starting point guard. 64/56/85 average. Each game over 20 pts.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#128 » by Jedzz » Tue Jan 7, 2020 1:55 am

old school 34 wrote:On the wing front....assuming Wiggins stays & say Martin remains in similar role on 2-way contract. Is Graham finally out of rotation which I'm kind of thinking is the case now?

When Layman comes back who's minutes does he take? If asked today....I think I lean Okogie? He actually after knocking rust off might eat up all of JO's & KBD's minutes both if Saunders managed the rotation appropriately?

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What if Layman never comes back? His toe has to have fallen off by now.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#129 » by post0115 » Wed Jan 8, 2020 12:14 am

For now...

Okogie needs to sit a few games and get healthy

Starters
C Dieng
PF KAT
SF Roco
SG Wiggins
PG Napier

2nd rotation/platoon
C Reid
PF KBD
SF Martin (Layman when healthy)
SG Culver
PG Teague
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#130 » by YaleS » Thu Jan 9, 2020 9:29 am

post0115 wrote:For now...

Okogie needs to sit a few games and get healthy

Starters
C Dieng
PF KAT
SF Roco
SG Wiggins
PG Napier

2nd rotation/platoon
C Reid
PF KBD
SF Martin (Layman when healthy)
SG Culver
PG Teague


It`s hard to have a good rotation with the current roster as Gorgui and KAT are just a bad fit, but at least Dieng has played better this season, so we may be able to trade him. Teague`s general effort and play for the wolves had been terrible so I would love to unload him too. Having a system of shooting most 3s possible and drafting Culver is very questionable pick aswell.
That aside, I agree Reid/KBD is a great combo coming off the bench going forward and I would pair them with Napier there. The starting unit is just a mess.
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Post#131 » by TheZachAttack » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:51 am

I did not realize how well Nowell, Martin, and Naz were shooting in the G League. I actually am optimistic about the Wolves future after an additional offseason and another draft pick or two in the pipeline. I think the Wolves should focus on shooting first and foremost and play players who have deficiencies in other areas (as opposed to players who theoretically do other things well, but cannot shoot). I do think the Wolves system is better off than it appears based on what is currently on display on a night in and night out basis.

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Kelan Martin
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Stats -
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27.4 mpg (Per 36)
16.8 ppg (22.1 ppg)
5.0 rbg (6.6 rbg)
1.5 apg (2.0 apg)

49% 2 PT FG% - 39.6% 3 PT FG% - 72.0% FT%
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Based on Martin's G-league stats and even going back to his college stats, it's clear that Martin has consistently shown the skillset to be an above-average shooter at the NBA level. At 6'6 or 6'7 with a wingspan that I have seen consistently measured at 7'+ (I've seen the number 7'3 attached to Martin)... he should have the size to be able to play the wing position for the Wolves on both sides of the ball. On offense, he should be able to get his shot off against most defenders and on defense he has the tools to play switchable defense that teams look for in today's game.

While he does struggle to finish inside to some degree, in college he flashed a floater that ranked in the 92nd percentile in PPS. If Martin can space the floor and has a couple of tools in his bag to be able to attack rotating defenses and slash inside... he seems to be a player that the Wolves can and should look to play 20+ mpg.

I think the best strategy here is to try and get Martin 20ish MPG down the stretch in order to hopefully develop him and see if he can or could play that sort of role starting next season.

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Jaylen Nowell
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In addition to floor spacing from the Timberwolves wing positions... one of the biggest gaps in the current Wolves rotation is a 6th man that can attack at all 3 levels with the ball. Especially in the Wolves system, the Wolves desperately need more ball-handlers that can hit 3's off the dribble and also collapse defenses to kick to open players spacing around the perimeter. Luckily for the Wolves, it appears they are developing a player who can do just that. Jaylen Nowell is dominating the G league and is probably one of the best shooters off the dribble that the Wolves have had in recent memory.

Stats:

33.2 mpg (per 36 minutes)
21.7 ppg (23.5 ppg)
5.3 rbg (5.8 rbg)
4.0 apg (4.4 apg)

53.3% 2 PT FG% - 45.3% 3 PT FG% (on 7 att/g) - 73.7% (on 2 att/game)

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I think Nowell could end up being the best player in this Wolves draft and that is not a slight to Culver. I think there's a chance that Nowell ends up a top 10-15 player from this year's draft. Nowell is a great shooter and has an extremely smooth shot both on and off the ball. In addition, he's not just a shooter...he's got a good handle and can get to the rim and has a variety of moves once he gets there. He is not a true PG or a true playmaker, but we have seen the success of the Wolves system with non-traditional PGs provided they can get downhill and both collapse defenses and score for themselves. Now imagine a player who can do that, but also hit 40+% from 3--that's Nowell.

I think his floor is an upper-echelon 6th man. Due to his size and frame limitations leading to position and defensive issues, I am not sure if he will ever be a starter unless he's playing with a non-traditional PG. However, I picture Nowell playing a similar role to what a Lou Williams type player plays and getting heavy minutes and playing down in crunch time.

As the Wolves continue to fade, I think it's really important that the Wolves give Nowell a role in the NBA this season and give him the ball with the 2nd unit and allow him to play freely. Both short-term and long-term, if the Wolves want to reach some of the higher percentile outcome possibilities... it means that Nowell has developed like he can.
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Kieta Bates Diop
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I will be brief with KBD and say that while inconsistent KBD has taken a step forward this year at the NBA level. He has shown a solid 3 point shot especially from the corners and a surprising ability to slash off-ball. KBD seems like a player that can play impact minutes at the 4 for the Wolves in this system given his shot and his length. Again, I think it's important that the Wolves give KBD 20+ mpg consistently.

Diop is averaging 14 & 6 per 36 minutes on 36% 3 point shooting. He is part of a future solution.
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Naz Reid
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I think Naz's short-term path to playing time is less clear than the other players on this list. I think he also needs the most development of any of the players on this list.

However, long-term his shooting ability is really interesting (39% on 5 att/game in 30 mpg at the G league level). In the G-league, he essentially shoots the ball from 3 at the same volume as KAT.

Stats:

30.4 mpg (pmpg)
18.4 ppg (21.50 ppg)
10 rbds (11.7 rbds)
3.3 apg (4 apg)
3.50 stocks (4.2 stocks)

57.8 2 PT FG% - 38.6 3 PT FG% - 70% FT%
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The Wolves have the unique opportunity to run a unique offense through their center at the 3 point line and may have an opportunity to be able to run multiple lineups with a similar type player. This could be a huge advantage for the Wolves. Naz needs time to develop, but if the Wolves can find value for Gorgui I see them as willing to let him figure it out in low-leverage bench minutes as soon as next season.

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Conclusion
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There is a lot of discussion about how to improve the Timberwolves and there is a lot of worry about the lack of talent on the roster. However, I think it's possible that the Wolves can address a portion of their structural issues in terms of talent and skillset versus system with the players that the Wolves are developing.

Rosas may have whiffed on D Lo and there may be questions about some of the moves the organization has made, but I think that this regime may have hit in a huge way on some of their late-round picks. I think that they clearly identified players in the 2nd round and after the draft that they believed could be good fits for their system.

While the Wolves season is disappointing and the Wolves do have to balance developing rookie and young players (and dealing with rookie inconsistency) while also understanding that you have to win for KAT... I think there are more answers in-system than it currently appears.

Further, Layman, KBD, Nowell, Martin, and Naz are all team controlled on longish contracts. These players are all players that can play a role for this team and fit the system and can do so in a very cost-effective way. As the Wolves move on from Teague, Dieng, Graham and others... if the Wolves can develop the 5 players listed into 20+ mpg contributors... they should have a lot of flexibility to make additional moves going forward.

Again I just wanted to call-out that I think Wolves fans should be really optimistic about how well some of the Wolves young players are developing into players that can seemingly be solid roles players with the kind of skillsets that fit the scheme.
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Post#132 » by Jedzz » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:54 am

I'm in on pretty much all of that Zach.
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Post#133 » by minimus » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:53 am

TheZachAttack wrote:There is a lot of discussion about how to improve the Timberwolves and there is a lot of worry about the lack of talent on the roster. However, I think it's possible that the Wolves can address a portion of their structural issues in terms of talent and skillset versus system with the players that the Wolves are developing.

Rosas may have whiffed on D Lo and there may be questions about some of the moves the organization has made, but I think that this regime may have hit in a huge way on some of their late-round picks. I think that they clearly identified players in the 2nd round and after the draft that they believed could be good fits for their system.

While the Wolves season is disappointing and the Wolves do have to balance developing rookie and young players (and dealing with rookie inconsistency) while also understanding that you have to win for KAT... I think there are more answers in-system than it currently appears.

Further, Layman, KBD, Nowell, Martin, and Naz are all team controlled on longish contracts. These players are all players that can play a role for this team and fit the system and can do so in a very cost-effective way. As the Wolves move on from Teague, Dieng, Graham and others... if the Wolves can develop the 5 players listed into 20+ mpg contributors... they should have a lot of flexibility to make additional moves going forward.

Again I just wanted to call-out that I think Wolves fans should be really optimistic about how well some of the Wolves young players are developing into players that can seemingly be solid roles players with the kind of skillsets that fit the scheme.


Thank you! That type of posts are making me feel better, because positivity is something based on that we see in current situation, and as you described with details in your post there are plenty of good signs.

First of all, it is clear to me that Rosas and Ryan share same constantly aligned vision for this season. It means that some decisions are made based on more on GM needs/priorities, some on coaching/development needs/priorities. For instance:

* - sitting KAT with fake injury ===> more opportunities for Dieng ===> increase his trade value
* - limit Vonleh/Bell playing time ===> more opportunities for Reid ===> speed up Reid development
* - playing Teague from bench ===> more opportunities for Culver ===> speed up Culver development
* - sitting Layman with fake(???) injury ===> more opportunities for Culver, KBD ===> speed up Culver, KBD development

It is hard to balance always between these two sides, but overall results are way to better than I expected:

* - both KAT and Wiggins have showed improvements
* - Diengs trade value is higher than in offseason
* - Culver, KBD, Nowell, Martin, and Naz show improvements
* - Napier looks as solution at backup PG. Hope we will re-sign him on reasonable deal.
* - Layman looks as solution at backup PF/SF
* - Martin looks as solution at backup SG/SF. Hope we will re-sign him on full 1+3 contract

Some things are still concerning:

* - Teague seems to not to buy into system
* - Okogie has not shown great improvements in decision making and shooting, although last couple games he played better. I think Okogie will play better once our PG situation is stabilized, and roster is more balanced with shooters
* - Wiggins currently has a cold stretch. It is not clear why he struggles now, maybe he depends on KAT more than I thought.

In my opinion our two biggest issues now are:

* - lack of starting caliber ballhandler who is not liability as shooter. Wiggins, Culver, Napier and Teague are our ballhandlers. None of them is consistent enough
* - lack of size/athleticism at PF position. There are too many uncertainties going into next season, but one thing is clear to me: if KAT/Reid are our bigs at C, then we need a big help in terms of defense and rebounding from PF/SF position. That is why lack of size/athleticism at PF position might kill us in future. Part of solution might be moving RoCo back to SF position and fill PF slot with strong, defensive minded stretch four. But in this case we need solid help from SG/PG position in terms of 3pt shooting and ballhandling.

KAT/Reid/???
???/Layman/KBD
RoCo/Culver/Martin
Wiggins/Okogie/Nowell
???/Wiggins/???

I dont see us adding another 1-2 young players to this group next year, because we simply wont have enough playing time and opportunities to develop all our young players Culver, KBD, Nowell, Martin, Okogie and Naz. Unless we trade some of them in order to get maximum compensation now.

Thats why I think that Rosas is actively looking for trade to address our biggest needs without giving up a ton of assets. These are dark days for MIN fans, for sure. A lot of frustration. But I see all little signs that make me believe that MIN will be much better next season.
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Post#134 » by packforfreedom » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:28 am

Sorry, but I don't your share your optimism. I don't see Reed, Nowell or Martin to become more than solid rotation players. Culver has some upside because of his defensive instincts and ability to get to the rim, but Okogie is stagnating hard and Wiggins seems to revert to his former self. Even if our young guys develop, we'll still be significantly short on talent.

I know that Rome wasn't build in a day but without some major move for which we lack the assets imo or a home run in the next draft, we'll take years to actually become competitive 'again'.
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Post#135 » by minimus » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:25 pm

packforfreedom wrote:Sorry, but I don't your share your optimism. I don't see Reed, Nowell or Martin to become more than solid rotation players. Culver has some upside because of his defensive instincts and ability to get to the rim, but Okogie is stagnating hard and Wiggins seems to revert to his former self. Even if our young guys develop, we'll still be significantly short on talent.

I know that Rome wasn't build in a day but without some major move for which we lack the assets imo or a home run in the next draft, we'll take years to actually become competitive 'again'.


I understand you concerns. I am not saying that Culver, Reed, Nowell will be all stars, but I do think that they are positive assets because of combination of talent and long term contracts. I am okay with playing guys like Aaron Brooks, Anthony Tolliver etc but it brings us nowhere. So we are made great steps in developing young talent. But it takes time. We sow, but we dont know if we reap.

I agree with you that we need both a good trade and home run in draft. We cant just sitting on assets. Rosas should work proactively to make it happen
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Post#136 » by TheZachAttack » Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:01 pm

packforfreedom wrote:Sorry, but I don't your share your optimism. I don't see Reed, Nowell or Martin to become more than solid rotation players. Culver has some upside because of his defensive instincts and ability to get to the rim, but Okogie is stagnating hard and Wiggins seems to revert to his former self. Even if our young guys develop, we'll still be significantly short on talent.

I know that Rome wasn't build in a day but without some major move for which we lack the assets imo or a home run in the next draft, we'll take years to actually become competitive 'again'.


I don’t think anyone is projecting any of them to be more than solid role players other than maybe Nowell. He might legitimately be the best scorer/shooter in the G league—he is forsure the best 20 year old in the league.

I also don’t think you realize how much the Wolves lack solid role players. Especially role players that can space the floor at an above average level and play off of the Wolves stars/ball dominant players.

I would argue the reason for optimism isn’t in that these players are projected to be stars, but in the fact that they seemingly project as 20-25 minute role players that can shoot. This isn’t Okogie where it’s like oh wow he’s great imagine if he can learn to shoot and become an above average offensive player... these are guys who behind KAT and maybe Covington are better 3 point shooters than anyone on the current roster.

Do you not understand the value of solid role players who can space the floor in this scheme that are locked up medium/long-term for extremely team friendly contracts?

This is exactly what allows us to star hunt and construct a healthy rotation rather than playing “role players” huge money like Teague/Dieng.

I think you’re so focused on the need for a star that you’re losing optimism in development to build structure on this roster. I don’t need stars. I need PJ Tucker’s and Trevor Ariza’s and Tyler Hero’s and Duncan Robinson’s instead of Treveon Graham’s.
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Post#137 » by packforfreedom » Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:36 pm

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packforfreedom wrote:Sorry, but I don't your share your optimism. I don't see Reed, Nowell or Martin to become more than solid rotation players. Culver has some upside because of his defensive instincts and ability to get to the rim, but Okogie is stagnating hard and Wiggins seems to revert to his former self. Even if our young guys develop, we'll still be significantly short on talent.

I know that Rome wasn't build in a day but without some major move for which we lack the assets imo or a home run in the next draft, we'll take years to actually become competitive 'again'.


I don’t think anyone is projecting any of them to be more than solid role players other than maybe Nowell. He might legitimately be the best scorer/shooter in the G league—he is forsure the best 20 year old in the league.

I also don’t think you realize how much the Wolves lack solid role players. Especially role players that can space the floor at an above average level and play off of the Wolves stars/ball dominant players.

I would argue the reason for optimism isn’t in that these players are projected to be stars, but in the fact that they seemingly project as 20-25 minute role players that can shoot. This isn’t Okogie where it’s like oh wow he’s great imagine if he can learn to shoot and become an above average offensive player... these are guys who behind KAT and maybe Covington are better 3 point shooters than anyone on the current roster.

Do you not understand the value of solid role players who can space the floor in this scheme that are locked up medium/long-term for extremely team friendly contracts?

This is exactly what allows us to star hunt and construct a healthy rotation rather than playing “role players” huge money like Teague/Dieng.

I think you’re so focused on the need for a star that you’re losing optimism in development to build structure on this roster. I don’t need stars. I need PJ Tucker’s and Trevor Ariza’s and Tyler Hero’s and Duncan Robinson’s instead of Treveon Graham’s.


Yeah I actually agree with most of your points rationally. It's clearly a progress that we seem to be able to grow our own rotation players instead of overpaying for them and I also see that this can be a point of optimism. I think for me it's still hard to believe that this franchise is actually about to change for the better. All these years of disappoitments have clearly left a mark on me, and I'm activley trying to avoid further disappointed by reducing my hope to basically none.
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Post#138 » by shrink » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:07 pm

Zach - great posts. I learned a lot.

Btw, your screen name have anything to do with Zach Morris’ band?
Sign5 wrote:Yea not happening, I expected a better retort but what do I expect from realgm(ers) in 2025. Just quote and state things that lack context, then repeat the same thing over and over as if something new and profound was said. Just lol.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#139 » by Klomp » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:36 pm

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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#140 » by minimus » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:02 pm

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