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Re: Nuggets Trades 

Post#141 » by Alatan » Wed Jan 8, 2020 6:45 pm

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TunaFish wrote:Only James Harden (at 5.2) has made more 3 point shots per game in this NBA season thus far. Bertans is second at 3.8. Buddy Hield is third. Bertans has a better three point percentage than either Harden or Hield. HIs free throw percentage is at 90%. This guy can shoot. I can see why they would have interest, foolish not too.

So what if he can shoot? Basketball is not just shooting. Bertans is a role player that sucks on defense and cant create his own shot nor is he a playmaker. He is not a good fit next to Jokic.

Mostly I agree with you. But he would fit well next to Jokic - on offense. All he needs is half a second to get his shot off and if someone sets a pick, Jokic will find him in that moment. But I'd like him off the bench for 15 mpg or so on average.


Well i kind of agree but to be honest anyone who is a good shooter is a good fit in any offense and next to any player. Its the other things that need to be taken into account. If Bertans was a SF or a SG then it would make more sense but considering neither he or Jokic are rim protectors putting them next to one another is asking for trouble.
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Post#142 » by The Rebel » Thu Jan 9, 2020 12:39 pm

You guys need to remember that it is well known the Nuggets are open to trading Beasley and Juancho, they will be in every rumor for the next month leading to the trade deadline as other teams use the Nuggets as leverage to get an offer from the team they are really talking to. If the deal makes no sense for the Nuggets than it is likely teams using their name.
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Post#143 » by psimanic1 » Thu Jan 9, 2020 3:00 pm

According to some sources, PHI is interested in Malik, what could they send for him?
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Post#144 » by NuggetsWY » Thu Jan 9, 2020 4:34 pm

psimanic1 wrote:According to some sources, PHI is interested in Malik, what could they send for him?

I don't see them as a good trading partner. Their depth, like ours, is young. They are unlikely to trade a major rotation player and neither are we - unless of course both teams trade a significant player and throw in bench players like Beasley.
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Re: Nuggets Trades 

Post#145 » by THE J0KER » Thu Jan 9, 2020 7:44 pm

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psimanic1 wrote:According to some sources, PHI is interested in Malik, what could they send for him?

I don't see them as a good trading partner. Their depth, like ours, is young. They are unlikely to trade a major rotation player and neither are we - unless of course both teams trade a significant player and throw in bench players like Beasley.

76ers Interested In Malik Beasley, Andre Iguodala, Robert Covington, Davis Bertans

Sixers is the team with the most stacked starting lineup, but worst bench. We can give them depth, and take their 'worst' starter which has the potential to be our #3 player!

We can include Wizards:
Beasley and Bertans to PHI
Barton and Juancho to WAS
Josh Richardson and WAS2020-2nd to DEN

Despite a disappointing start with Sixers, Richardson is a better fit for Denver than Barton IMO.

But to be honest, in these rumors about who Sixers trying to acquire, the most useful information is that 3&D forward Robert Covington is available for trade deals.
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Post#146 » by TunaFish » Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:22 am

The Rebel wrote:You guys need to remember that it is well known the Nuggets are open to trading Beasley and Juancho, they will be in every rumor for the next month leading to the trade deadline as other teams use the Nuggets as leverage to get an offer from the team they are really talking to. If the deal makes no sense for the Nuggets than it is likely teams using their name.


I can see Beasley being somebody's target and I can see that his salary demands concern the Nuggets. Certainly that's not a secret but many teams have players on expiring or restricted free agency contracts. Free agency has changed the trade market with so many players with options.

Generating rumors is part of the GM's tool package so you are right that we should expect plenty of rumors that probably have little fact to them. At the same time, some reporters have sources that have proven reliable. As I look at the list above, it appears probable that Bertans, Beasley and Iggy are on the move. I think Beasley because the Nuggets may view him as a big target in restricted free agency and they can't match it. Why not get something while you can when you need to consolidate players?
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Post#147 » by The Rebel » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:08 am

TunaFish wrote:
The Rebel wrote:You guys need to remember that it is well known the Nuggets are open to trading Beasley and Juancho, they will be in every rumor for the next month leading to the trade deadline as other teams use the Nuggets as leverage to get an offer from the team they are really talking to. If the deal makes no sense for the Nuggets than it is likely teams using their name.


I can see Beasley being somebody's target and I can see that his salary demands concern the Nuggets. Certainly that's not a secret but many teams have players on expiring or restricted free agency contracts. Free agency has changed the trade market with so many players with options.

Generating rumors is part of the GM's tool package so you are right that we should expect plenty of rumors that probably have little fact to them. At the same time, some reporters have sources that have proven reliable. As I look at the list above, it appears probable that Bertans, Beasley and Iggy are on the move. I think Beasley because the Nuggets may view him as a big target in restricted free agency and they can't match it. Why not get something while you can when you need to consolidate players?


I am not saying that the Nuggets aren't making a deal, just do not believe every rumor that you will hear about the Nuggets. If the deal makes no sense for the Nuggets than more than likely the deal is not something we are doing, but the Nuggets roster and trade assets are being used to drive up prices.
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Post#148 » by NuggetsWY » Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:03 pm

Trades: Some trades make sense, but are we considering everything? Do we make a trade to make us better for this year? Or should any trade be focused on the long-term? This team, as currently composed, could be a serious contender if they play at their best.

If we do not re-sign any of our potential free agents, our roster would be (with one open roster slot):

Jokic
Grant - Vanderbilt - Cancar
Barton - Porter
Harris
Murray - Morris

Potential Free-Agents
Plumlee
Millsap
Craig - Hernangomez
Beasley

Two-Way
Dozier
Bol

Worst case: if we lose all our potential free-agents; we need, at a minimum, a backup center - that's all. Look at the nine already signed players this way:

Jokic - [Grant]
Grant - Vanderbilt - Cancar
Barton - Porter
Harris - Barton -Murray
Murray - Morris - Barton
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Post#149 » by skywalker33 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:55 pm

I definitely think we’ll move Bol up to the backup C spot
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Post#150 » by THE J0KER » Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:14 am

Nuggets coach Michael Malone hopes the current roster remains in place through the trade deadline, Mike Singer of the Denver Post tweets. However, he also knows that some reserves would have better opportunities elsewhere. Among those players are guard Malik Beasley and forward Juancho Hernangomez. “I hope we can keep this team because I know what this team is capable of… I also know it’s a business, I also know these guys all want to play,” Malone said.

:uhoh:

With just one single roster change before the trade deadline in 2016-17 and 2017-18, we would play playoff in 2017 and 2018, and in 2019 playoff we would play WC final...

I see another "we are so happy about our roster" and "we are better than the previous season, why to change anything" trade deadline wasted opportunity. If FO is so happy with Denver players, so try to get at least former Nuggets Gallinari or Iguodala :dontknow:
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Post#151 » by NuggetsWY » Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:20 am

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Nuggets coach Michael Malone hopes the current roster remains in place through the trade deadline, Mike Singer of the Denver Post tweets. However, he also knows that some reserves would have better opportunities elsewhere. Among those players are guard Malik Beasley and forward Juancho Hernangomez. “I hope we can keep this team because I know what this team is capable of… I also know it’s a business, I also know these guys all want to play,” Malone said.

:uhoh:

With just one single roster change before the trade deadline in 2016-17 and 2017-18, we would play playoff in 2017 and 2018, and in 2019 playoff we would play WC final...

I see another "we are so happy about our roster" and "we are better than the previous season, why to change anything" trade deadline wasted opportunity. If FO is so happy with Denver players, so try to get at least former Nuggets Gallinari or Iguodala :dontknow:

IMHO all we need is someone that plays with the passion of Patrick Beverly and I don't care what position they play.
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Post#152 » by The Rebel » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:00 am

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Nuggets coach Michael Malone hopes the current roster remains in place through the trade deadline, Mike Singer of the Denver Post tweets. However, he also knows that some reserves would have better opportunities elsewhere. Among those players are guard Malik Beasley and forward Juancho Hernangomez. “I hope we can keep this team because I know what this team is capable of… I also know it’s a business, I also know these guys all want to play,” Malone said.

:uhoh:

With just one single roster change before the trade deadline in 2016-17 and 2017-18, we would play playoff in 2017 and 2018, and in 2019 playoff we would play WC final...

I see another "we are so happy about our roster" and "we are better than the previous season, why to change anything" trade deadline wasted opportunity. If FO is so happy with Denver players, so try to get at least former Nuggets Gallinari or Iguodala :dontknow:

IMHO all we need is someone that plays with the passion of Patrick Beverly and I don't care what position they play.


I would agree, but there are not a lot of those guys out there. The ones that are aren't available right now either, especially with the bad teams still having a shot at the playoffs. I think Tristan Thompson has been playing that way this year in Cleveland, but they are selling and he may be available. The issue is what do you do with Plumlee? They cannot play together, and with Millsap's injury issues you could make a 3 big rotation of Jokic, Grant, and Thompson. It may be time to see if you can pick up Thompson and get back Brandon Knights expiring deal in a 3 team deal moving Millsap and Plumlee, but it will take a big deal as neither team will take the salaries difference to make it work.
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Post#153 » by skywalker33 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:30 am

OK, just over two weeks until the Trade Deadline, so give me the ONE Nugget you think has the best possibility of being traded. We are the deepest team and probably could afford to trade 1 player, who is your most trade-able player ??

If I had to guess one player to be moved I'd predict Juancho. I'd actually think he has the talent that a change of scenery could be a steal for another team, he's just buried on the bench here.
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Post#154 » by NuggetsWY » Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:09 am

skywalker33 wrote:OK, just over two weeks until the Trade Deadline, so give me the ONE Nugget you think has the best possibility of being traded. We are the deepest team and probably could afford to trade 1 player, who is your most trade-able player ??

If I had to guess one player to be moved I'd predict Juancho. I'd actually think he has the talent that a change of scenery could be a steal for another team, he's just buried on the bench here.

Agreed - but I would hope that if we make a trade, it is a couple of our players for one good one. We can certainly afford to trade one of our bench forwards along with one of our guards (except Murray). Of course no matter who we trade for, it seems unlikely they would play much unless we make a major trade.

I'd guess Hernangomez for a second round pick or maybe Beasley for a young prospect.
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Post#155 » by The Rebel » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:29 pm

skywalker33 wrote:OK, just over two weeks until the Trade Deadline, so give me the ONE Nugget you think has the best possibility of being traded. We are the deepest team and probably could afford to trade 1 player, who is your most trade-able player ??

If I had to guess one player to be moved I'd predict Juancho. I'd actually think he has the talent that a change of scenery could be a steal for another team, he's just buried on the bench here.


I actually think that Juancho is not going to be traded unless it is big deal. I have heard that he and Jokic are very close and the team views him as someone they need in the lockerroom to keep things loose and everybody happy.

I think Beasley is gone as long as Harris is healthy by the trade deadline, I just do not see anyway to keep him next offseason with his lack of minutes this year and still having Harris and Barton on the roster.
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Post#156 » by Manolito » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:08 pm

Only Atlanta has some cap room to absorb Juancho´s contract.

I don´t think we are interested in trading Juancho for some other random guy to reduce the bill, so either Juancho is included in a bigger deal or he might only be traded to Atlanta
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Post#157 » by The Rebel » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:32 am

Manolito wrote:Only Atlanta has some cap room to absorb Juancho´s contract.

I don´t think we are interested in trading Juancho for some other random guy to reduce the bill, so either Juancho is included in a bigger deal or he might only be traded to Atlanta


https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2012/02/outstanding-trade-exceptions.html

Plenty of teams have trade exceptions large enough to absorb Juancho, or even considerably bigger contracts. I can see a team like Dallas or Memphis wanting Juancho for a playoff push and expecting to keep him for the next few years. He is a solid player, and in the right situation can be a very good 5th starter, the question is how much is either team willing to give up for him? Is that more valuable than keeping him long term for the rotation if you think you can get him cheap enough? Especially if he is that close to Jokic. He wouldn't be a bad long term fit as Porter Jr's backup and occasional 4 when we go small, but I expect him to get a decent offer next summer. So will the Kroenke's match for a guy who will be in that roll on this team? I don't know if they will but they have paid Plumlee, Harris, and Barton decent size deals for their production.
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Post#158 » by The Rebel » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:59 am

I think Beasley has to go because he is a starter, and he is going to get good starter type of money. There is too much available money and not a lot of free agents which will cost them a lot of money. The only way you keep him is if you trade Harris, and I don't think our defense will work swapping out Beasley with Harris. Although you could make MPJ a starter and move Barton back to SG, with Beasley off the bench this year, and bring him back with starter pay next year. You can afford it because your starting SF is on a rookie deal.

Now the question is if you would trade Harris if it meant you could keep Beasley and Juancho? I can see Beasley getting a deal for around $15-18 million per year, and I can see Juancho getting about $5 million per year. You will lose Grant, Plumlee, and Millsap’s deals this summer, can you replace at least one of them with guys on the roster? If Grant can continue his current improvement, I can see him getting a deal for around $15 million per and his skill set makes him a very good fit with Jokic. Will Millsap or Plumlee come back for a deal for around $10 million per year? Do you want them back?
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Post#159 » by The Rebel » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:00 am

Thinking things over would you guys do Harris and Plumlee for Marc Gasol and a 1st?

Masai and the guys may want to prove that it was not all Kawhi last year. I can see him making this move to get a proven youngish starter that can fit in their current starting lineup and with Siakam and Announoby long term.

With Barton starting at SG and Porter JR at SF, this deal would allow us to keep Beasley and Juancho long term with Barton and Beasley getting 25+ minutes per night and Juancho getting around 15 we would still have good depth with Craig as the 5th guy. We would replace Plumlee with Marc Gasol, which would be a huge improvement even with Gasol declining. The 1st could be for long term, we can pick another project up next summer to put on the Beasley/MPJ/Bol developmental plan.

Next year you may be able to sign both Gasol and Millsap to cheap 3 year deals, and keep them on the bench in year 2 helping the young guys then use them as expiring contracts if you need to in year 3.
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Post#160 » by NuggetsWY » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:59 am

The Rebel wrote:Thinking things over would you guys do Harris and Plumlee for Marc Gasol and a 1st?

Masai and the guys may want to prove that it was not all Kawhi last year. I can see him making this move to get a proven youngish starter that can fit in their current starting lineup and with Siakam and Announoby long term.

With Barton starting at SG and Porter JR at SF, this deal would allow us to keep Beasley and Juancho long term with Barton and Beasley getting 25+ minutes per night and Juancho getting around 15 we would still have good depth with Craig as the 5th guy. We would replace Plumlee with Marc Gasol, which would be a huge improvement even with Gasol declining. The 1st could be for long term, we can pick another project up next summer to put on the Beasley/MPJ/Bol developmental plan.

Next year you may be able to sign both Gasol and Millsap to cheap 3 year deals, and keep them on the bench in year 2 helping the young guys then use them as expiring contracts if you need to in year 3.

I like it.

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