MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened

[bballgod07]

Didnt the bucks won like 2 games without Kompo playing? That team is stacked from top to bottom.

3, but against bad teams.

By an average of 17 points.

So Kompo is pretty much overrated at this point. His team can still be top 4 without him. They pretty much have every position.

[deneem4]

Jimmy has a team of who? that would be tied for 2nd in the west...
I got him in top 5

[Mbrahv0528]

3, but against bad teams.

By an average of 17 points.

So Kompo is pretty much overrated at this point. His team can still be top 4 without him. They pretty much have every position.

Lmfao. The hottest of hot takes my guy.

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[nikster]

Khris Middleton and a bunch of recycled vets is way too much help IMO. Giannis is out here creating super teams. He's been carried to 70 wins! Dude is basically Durant.

Who can you confidently say has a better supporting cast? I'd take Clippers for sure. Lakers are close, AD is an awesome #2 but the rest of that Bucks roster is vastly superior. And really not debatable for the rest of the league

[Packbuckman]

There have been some incredible 0-0 games. Football will always be bigger than Basketball and Handegg.

Not in the United States it never will be not even in the top 5 to me. My daughter use to play as a little girl and that was the only time I watched it. But each country to their own favorite sports it’s cool that you all love it so much. It is a lot bigger today than it’s ever been before here I will say.

Aaah yes. The real centre of the world. I'll send the rest of the world a memo that if the USA doesn't like it, it's officially not popular.

some of you Americans really need to get over yourselves with this stuff

Who said that someone needs to learn to read lol
I said it’s not popular here and it’s not like it is in the rest of the world which I don’t care what they watch and like since I don’t live there. Do you care what we like and watch?

[AussieBuck]

Khris Middleton and a bunch of recycled vets is way too much help IMO. Giannis is out here creating super teams. He's been carried to 70 wins! Dude is basically Durant.

Who can you confidently say has a better supporting cast? I'd take Clippers for sure. Lakers are close, AD is an awesome #2 but the rest of that Bucks roster is vastly superior. And really not debatable for the rest of the league

If you think of it as take the second and third best player off each team exercise I think then we have the best roster in the league around a star. The best teams have better second and usually third best player than the Bucks and the Bucks are 12 deep so we beat out the rest of the rosters by having no bad players or fits really. Philly are interesting in that they have a really strong 5 then it falls off. Agree with you on the clips, like the Sixers they have a better 2-5 cumulatively than the Bucks but we have the rest.

Lakers are an extreme as you say, hard to weigh up MVPish second best guy, Danny Green and a few handy guys over Bledsoe and Khris and 9 capable role players. I think we have comfortably the best player and a team deep enough to not tire out in the regular season that never has to throw a bad player out on court. Will be tougher in the playoffs when depth is less important.

[Ballerhogger]

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[DrWood]

Khris Middleton and a bunch of recycled vets is way too much help IMO. Giannis is out here creating super teams. He's been carried to 70 wins! Dude is basically Durant.

Who can you confidently say has a better supporting cast? I'd take Clippers for sure. Lakers are close, AD is an awesome #2 but the rest of that Bucks roster is vastly superior. And really not debatable for the rest of the league

You might want to make a deeper dive. It's not the roster that is better, it's the coaching and scheme which allows them to perform well. For example, look at Brook Lopez's defensive stats and then look at them before he joined the Bucks. The bucks have 6 guys in the top 20 of defensive rating at the moment. Their innate talent level isn't that high.

[ken6199]

I read it somewhere that Bucks leading the league in both opponents FG% in the paint, and percentage of opponent field goal attempts in the paint. Brook Lopez is having a career best 8.2% block percentage, surpassing his previous best 6.5% from last season by a quite wide margin.

To give you an idea, some of the league's best shot blockers / rim protectors:
- Myles Turner, 6.0%
- Jonathan Issac, 7.5%
- John Collins, 5.9%
- Hassan Whiteside, 8.1%

Something about that Bucks defense. I think Giannis being an excellent rebounder enables BroLo to relentlessly go after every shot knowing that someone else will clean up the board for him. Meanwhile, Giannis is having his career best rebounding season with a lowest BPG and BLK% of his past 5 seasons. That's a pair made in heaven.

https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612749&GroupQuantity=2
Just checked, BroLo and Giannis tops in all of the most used 2/3/4/5 Bucks lineups this season.

[scrabbarista]

I read it somewhere that Bucks leading the league in both opponents FG% in the paint, and percentage of opponent field goal attempts in the paint. Brook Lopez is having a career best 8.2% block percentage, surpassing his previous best 6.5% from last season by a quite wide margin.

To give you an idea, some of the league's best shot blockers / rim protectors:
- Myles Turner, 6.0%
- Jonathan Issac, 7.5%
- John Collins, 5.9%
- Hassan Whiteside, 8.1%

Something about that Bucks defense. I think Giannis being an excellent rebounder enables BroLo to relentlessly go after every shot knowing that someone else will clean up the board for him. Meanwhile, Giannis is having his career best rebounding season with a lowest BPG and BLK% of his past 5 seasons. That's a pair made in heaven.

https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612749&GroupQuantity=2
Just checked, BroLo and Giannis tops in all of the most used 2/3/4/5 Bucks lineups this season.

I heard on a podcast today that the Lopezes and Antetokounmpo are actually 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in the league in FG% at the rim on shots they defend. (I don't remember the order.) The same podcast said the Bucks are very good defensively even when Antetokounmpo sits, which is a big part of why they're +8.9 points per 100 without him on the floor.

[Shaffty]

I read it somewhere that Bucks leading the league in both opponents FG% in the paint, and percentage of opponent field goal attempts in the paint. Brook Lopez is having a career best 8.2% block percentage, surpassing his previous best 6.5% from last season by a quite wide margin.

To give you an idea, some of the league's best shot blockers / rim protectors:
- Myles Turner, 6.0%
- Jonathan Issac, 7.5%
- John Collins, 5.9%
- Hassan Whiteside, 8.1%

Something about that Bucks defense. I think Giannis being an excellent rebounder enables BroLo to relentlessly go after every shot knowing that someone else will clean up the board for him. Meanwhile, Giannis is having his career best rebounding season with a lowest BPG and BLK% of his past 5 seasons. That's a pair made in heaven.

https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612749&GroupQuantity=2
Just checked, BroLo and Giannis tops in all of the most used 2/3/4/5 Bucks lineups this season.

I heard on a podcast today that the Lopezes and Antetokounmpo are actually 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in the league in FG% at the rim on shots they defend. (I don't remember the order.) The same podcast said the Bucks are very good defensively even when Antetokounmpo sits, which is a big part of why they're +8.9 points per 100 without him on the floor.

Here is the article about that/

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28440941/four-things-different-bucks-juggernaut

[truly]

I read it somewhere that Bucks leading the league in both opponents FG% in the paint, and percentage of opponent field goal attempts in the paint. Brook Lopez is having a career best 8.2% block percentage, surpassing his previous best 6.5% from last season by a quite wide margin.

To give you an idea, some of the league's best shot blockers / rim protectors:
- Myles Turner, 6.0%
- Jonathan Issac, 7.5%
- John Collins, 5.9%
- Hassan Whiteside, 8.1%

Something about that Bucks defense. I think Giannis being an excellent rebounder enables BroLo to relentlessly go after every shot knowing that someone else will clean up the board for him. Meanwhile, Giannis is having his career best rebounding season with a lowest BPG and BLK% of his past 5 seasons. That's a pair made in heaven.

https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612749&GroupQuantity=2
Just checked, BroLo and Giannis tops in all of the most used 2/3/4/5 Bucks lineups this season.

I heard on a podcast today that the Lopezes and Antetokounmpo are actually 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in the league in FG% at the rim on shots they defend. (I don't remember the order.) The same podcast said the Bucks are very good defensively even when Antetokounmpo sits, which is a big part of why they're +8.9 points per 100 without him on the floor.

Lopez brothers + Giannis is the one on the upper left corner

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[Gooner]

Harden is the most impressive player this season. Giannis' sucess is a product of Budenholzer's system in large part.

[AussieBuck]

Everyone should get one of those systems.

[KGtabake]

LeBron strengthens his case while AD is out.
17th season...sigh. Phenom.

[KGtabake]

Harden is the most impressive player this season. Giannis' sucess is a product of Budenholzer's system in large part.

3 years ago he averaged 27/10 at the age of 22. Was that a product of Kidd's system?

[Gooner]

Harden is the most impressive player this season. Giannis' sucess is a product of Budenholzer's system in large part.

3 years ago he averaged 27/10 at the age of 22. Was that a product of Kidd's system?

What was their record and final result? That Kidd comparison just makes my point. Giannis needs a specific team and a great coach like Budenholzer to have this type of success. Harden can carry any team with different types of teammates to elite records. He just does more offensively than Giannis.

[Gooner]

Everyone should get one of those systems.

Budenholzer did the same thing in Atlanta, winning 60 games and getting to conference finals. He is creative.

[KGtabake]

Harden is the most impressive player this season. Giannis' sucess is a product of Budenholzer's system in large part.

3 years ago he averaged 27/10 at the age of 22. Was that a product of Kidd's system?

What was their record and final result? That Kidd comparison just makes my point. Giannis needs a specific team and a great coach liek Budenholzer to have thsi type of success. Harden can carry any team with different types of teammates to elite records. He just does more offensively than Giannis.

Giannis is better overall player than Harden. Like it or not there are two sides on the court.
Offensively...offensively...offensively...you do know that Giannis is 2nd scoring while being a permanent DPOY candidate.
But you never mention it. If it was all about offense Harden would be having 5 straight championships by now.
Do you want to name MVP the best scorer? If yes, just say it.
Nothing makes your point. Because your point is always to discredit antetokounmpo no matter what he does.
You make it sound like Harden was coached only by bad coaches like Kidd in his career.
On his first season with a good coach, he had a 60 win season and went to the ECF.
On his second season, they are on a 70 win pace.
You never take into account defense. Elite scoring yes. What else?

Luka is horrible in defense but at least he has the excuse of being 20 years old. If he continues to be negative on that end in the next few seasons, he will follow the same route(although his playing style and mavs' system isn't that annoying for the eye thank god)

[MrPerfect1]

Harden is the most impressive player this season. Giannis' sucess is a product of Budenholzer's system in large part.

We all know that Harden's coach has 0 History of inflating the stats of Primary Ball Handlers. Nash won all his MVP's prior to Dantoni and Lin remains a perennial All Star caliber player