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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#561 » by HomoSapien » Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:00 pm

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That's so great to hear. Taj is still balling even if he has slowed down. He is smart. He got paid from the Knicks with their capspace, is having the MSG experience and will get moved sooner or later to some contending team.

He still could have helped the Bulls as a 3rd big and maybe he was what was needed for Lauri rather than more young guys or the goofy Lopez as a mentor.


Honestly, I would gladly take him over Thadeus Young.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#562 » by Mbrahv0528 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:10 pm

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dice wrote:dinwiddie was a 2nd round pick (i.e. every team in the league passed on him once). he was in and out of the D-league for TWO FULL SEASONS and was absolutely atrocious in the little nba opportunity he got before being given up on by the pistons. after the bulls traded for him and waived him, SEVEN WEEKS later the nets signed him to a 2 year min contract. so no other team in the league showed any particular interest. he's a bad shooter and defender

let's not pretend that missing out on spencer dinwiddie was some boneheaded oversight


It was a dumbass move because he was in their building and played well for the Bulls in summer league, to the point where you didn’t need to trade for MCW, a failed draft pick who was never changing anything and most certainly didn’t fit on this roster.

At the time of the trade, people thought it was a good trade to land Dinwiddie. He fell in the draft because of injuries, not because he sucked. Draft people were still high on him. They were right.


I was begging for the Bulls to keep him and give him a roster spot that summer. I know Homo and a few others were with me on that. I admit I may have been a bit biased because he was from Colorado, but I wanted him on the Bulls and said they were idiots for keeping some of the people they did over him at the time. Look it up if you can find that summer league thread you will see I'm not making it up.
There were more than a few others who wanted the Bulls to give him a roster spot.

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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

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Post#564 » by Dan Z » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:04 am

What do you think of Ivan Rabb? I remember during the draft he was talked about as a lotto pick but then dropped (his draft year).

The Bulls could use another big and the Knicks just waived him. But I haven't watched him play very much so I don't know a lot about him.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/256796/Knicks-Waive-Ivan-Rabb-Sign-Kenny-Wooten-To-Two-Way-Deal
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#565 » by TheSuzerain » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:26 am

Kenny Wooten would have been a better signing.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#566 » by Dresden » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:43 am

What's up with Mo Bamba? Still only averaging 5/5 and playing about 15 min a game. Shooting just 33% on 3's, 60% from the free throw line. Are they just bringing him along VERY slowly, or is he just not very good?
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#567 » by JohnnyTapwater » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:32 am

Analytics is ruining the game for me.

I hate seeing the 3 point parades. I hate that players are dissuaded against the mid-range shot even it's what they may be good at.

Coaches should coach to put players in positions where they will succeed first and foremost.
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Post#568 » by RSP83 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:10 pm

I'm still on the Derrick Rose tracker, and I have to say he's better than last year. The Pistons is really bad, and it's really just Derrick that's been keeping that team afloat.

This is the Derrick Rose old man game that this board used to talk about in the past. Like how Derrick's game is going to evolve as he gets older. It's weird, he's still explosive but different. He no longer attack defender 48 minutes full for obvious reason. But when he turn on the jets, people still can't stop him.

I don't think people are taking him seriously due to how bad the Pistons is. And of course words have been going around that contenders should trade for him, but how many of them truly realize how good Derrick is still? I think last year's Derrick was a level below this year's. His current level of play reminds me of peak Tony Parker, I think Derrick can still make that kind of impact on a winning team. He's obviously not good enough to build your entire offense around. But given the right role on offense, on a good team, he can still help teams win many games.

People have been saying the Lakers is a good destination, but I think the Nuggets would be the best destination. Nuggets is already a pretty good team with solid young core, I think what is missing is a guy like Derrick who has the ability to attack and will team to win in close game situation.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#569 » by MrSparkle » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:09 pm

Dresden wrote:What's up with Mo Bamba? Still only averaging 5/5 and playing about 15 min a game. Shooting just 33% on 3's, 60% from the free throw line. Are they just bringing him along VERY slowly, or is he just not very good?


I think Orlando collectively realized he shouldn’t have been a #6 pick, but also are OK waiting him out as a 3-4 year project. Biggest issues seem to be:

1. Injury prone (no surprise given his build)

2. Bad defensive awareness and feet (incredible wing-span still make him a potential block machine)

3. Bad coordination (doesn’t catch well)

On the other hand, he does seem like an ok 3P shooter. Just needs to figure out how to defend efficiently and how to stay healthy.
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Post#570 » by MrSparkle » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:11 pm

RSP83 wrote:I'm still on the Derrick Rose tracker, and I have to say he's better than last year. The Pistons is really bad, and it's really just Derrick that's been keeping that team afloat.

This is the Derrick Rose old man game that this board used to talk about in the past. Like how Derrick's game is going to evolve as he gets older. It's weird, he's still explosive but different. He no longer attack defender 48 minutes full for obvious reason. But when he turn on the jets, people still can't stop him.

I don't think people are taking him seriously due to how bad the Pistons is. And of course words have been going around that contenders should trade for him, but how many of them truly realize how good Derrick is still? I think last year's Derrick was a level below this year's. His current level of play reminds me of peak Tony Parker, I think Derrick can still make that kind of impact on a winning team. He's obviously not good enough to build your entire offense around. But given the right role on offense, on a good team, he can still help teams win many games.

People have been saying the Lakers is a good destination, but I think the Nuggets would be the best destination. Nuggets is already a pretty good team with solid young core, I think what is missing is a guy like Derrick who has the ability to attack and will team to win in close game situation.


Nuggets would be a nice situation for him.
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Post#571 » by step » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:39 pm

RSP83 wrote:People have been saying the Lakers is a good destination

Well he didn't have the best of times in Cleveland playing that role... sure it was early and expectations different, but not I'm not sure he'd want to revisit that.
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Post#572 » by ZOMG » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:45 pm

Dan Z wrote:What do you think of Ivan Rabb? I remember during the draft he was talked about as a lotto pick but then dropped (his draft year).

The Bulls could use another big and the Knicks just waived him. But I haven't watched him play very much so I don't know a lot about him.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/256796/Knicks-Waive-Ivan-Rabb-Sign-Kenny-Wooten-To-Two-Way-Deal


We already have TWO non-shooting bigs playing rotation minutes (a huge risk in today's NBA). Rabb is a 3rd year player who's 3-15 from the perimeter over his career. We literally have no use for a guy like that.

Besides, we certainly don't need another big. We need a wing and/or a real playmaker.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#573 » by Dresden » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:36 pm

MrSparkle wrote:
Dresden wrote:What's up with Mo Bamba? Still only averaging 5/5 and playing about 15 min a game. Shooting just 33% on 3's, 60% from the free throw line. Are they just bringing him along VERY slowly, or is he just not very good?


I think Orlando collectively realized he shouldn’t have been a #6 pick, but also are OK waiting him out as a 3-4 year project. Biggest issues seem to be:

1. Injury prone (no surprise given his build)

2. Bad defensive awareness and feet (incredible wing-span still make him a potential block machine)

3. Bad coordination (doesn’t catch well)

On the other hand, he does seem like an ok 3P shooter. Just needs to figure out how to defend efficiently and how to stay healthy.


A number of the big men from that draft are having injury problems. Bagley missed a good chunk of last year, and was hurt again this year. He's just now getting back into a groove. And we know what's happened with Wendell. It really slows down development when you miss so much time early in your career. And of course Ayton with the suspension. Looks like the two best players from that "big man's draft" will end up being a pg and a point forward.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#574 » by Dan Z » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:50 pm

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Dan Z wrote:What do you think of Ivan Rabb? I remember during the draft he was talked about as a lotto pick but then dropped (his draft year).

The Bulls could use another big and the Knicks just waived him. But I haven't watched him play very much so I don't know a lot about him.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/256796/Knicks-Waive-Ivan-Rabb-Sign-Kenny-Wooten-To-Two-Way-Deal


We already have TWO non-shooting bigs playing rotation minutes (a huge risk in today's NBA). Rabb is a 3rd year player who's 3-15 from the perimeter over his career. We literally have no use for a guy like that.

Besides, we certainly don't need another big. We need a wing and/or a real playmaker.


Fair enough. I don't know enough about Rabb. But I do think the team needs another big. I don't trust Kornet or Felicio.
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Post#575 » by johnnyvann840 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:07 am

Jaren Jackson Jr. is going to really be something. Kid just turned 20 too. He'll always be overshadowed from his draft because of Luka, but that kid is special. Going to be great watching him mature.
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Post#576 » by kulaz3000 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:12 am

johnnyvann840 wrote:Jaren Jackson Jr. is going to really be something. Kid just turned 20 too. He'll always be overshadowed from his draft because of Luka, but that kid is special. Going to be great watching him mature.


He has picked it up a little as of late, but he has been extremely underwhelming this season. I was expecting more progress from him.

I know he plays out at the 3 point a lot, but he should be a much better rebounder than he is.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#577 » by johnnyvann840 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:31 am

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johnnyvann840 wrote:Jaren Jackson Jr. is going to really be something. Kid just turned 20 too. He'll always be overshadowed from his draft because of Luka, but that kid is special. Going to be great watching him mature.


He has picked it up a little as of late, but he has been extremely underwhelming this season. I was expecting more progress from him.

I know he plays out at the 3 point a lot, but he should be a much better rebounder than he is.


When you watch him play, it looks like an issue of how he is used when it comes to his rebounding. I agree that he should be getting more boards, though. I just like the way he carries himself on the court. He's a very smart player. Like Luka, he still can't buy a beer. Wait a few years and JJJ is going to be a big star in this league.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#578 » by TheGOATRises007 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:34 am

Ja Morant is putting on a show vs Houston.
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Post#579 » by kulaz3000 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:35 am

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johnnyvann840 wrote:Jaren Jackson Jr. is going to really be something. Kid just turned 20 too. He'll always be overshadowed from his draft because of Luka, but that kid is special. Going to be great watching him mature.


He has picked it up a little as of late, but he has been extremely underwhelming this season. I was expecting more progress from him.

I know he plays out at the 3 point a lot, but he should be a much better rebounder than he is.


When you watch him play, it looks like an issue of how he is used when it comes to his rebounding. I agree that he should be getting more boards, though. I just like the way he carries himself on the court. He's a very smart player. Like Luka, he still can't buy a beer. Wait a few years and JJJ is going to be a big star in this league.


Oh, I don't doubt he will only get better - he has all the tools, and as you said, he has a good energy on the floor, and he plays like he cares.

It's a shame, because though all signs pointed to the Bulls not holding Luka to high regard in the draft, there were plenty of stories which showed that the Bulls were indeed extremely high on JJJ, so it would have been interesting to have seen him on our team right now.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#580 » by kulaz3000 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:37 am

Eddy_JukeZ wrote:Ja Morant is putting on a show vs Houston.


Now THIS kid is a player I wanted on the Bulls so badly. He is exactly the type of player the city of Chicago needed, but alas. He is going to rot in Memphis for a few years yet, before inevitably, he leaves. And mark my words, he is eventually going to leave for a bigger market.
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