The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV

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Obviously if the team suceeds this season they dont need to trade neither but i think we end up with the 5th or 6th seed and lose in the first round.

If that happense then one of harris horford simmons or embiid is gone due to the salary cap implication of paying the 2nd or 3rd most highest payroll in the league for a first round exit.

Harris is a negative aseet.

Horford is a very negative asset.

Embiid and Simmons are both positive assets who both play center on offense in practise.

Thats too much money on 2 positions to your 4 highest paid players.

If ownership said we will deal simmons or embiid id rather keep simmons. This front office also prefers simmons which is clear from their actions (not retaining jimmy, keeping tobias, getting the perfect center outisde of towns to pair with simmons in horford).

If we have a first round exit i think the writing is on the wall for an embiid trade in the off season.

Disagree. There is no reason to panic and deal Embiid or Simmons. They are still only 23 sand 25 years old, so I have no idea why everyone is panicking as if we have to win this year or its the end of the world.

We can downgrade from Al Horford significantly talentwise, and still improve the team just by getting a better fit.

I just dont think we will ever have a championship level offense with embiid and simmons sharing the court unless embiid is brook lopez from 3. You cant have your 2 best players be centers on offense in this league.

Horford is still a very good player as long as hes playing center. I dont see why we need tp sell low on him just so we can keep continuing the embiid simmons partnership when its probably never going to lead us anywhere.

Horford Harris Simmons (Richardson or a sniper) plus wing or guard from Embiid deal is a much more sensible offense that works on defense as well. It lets Ben be the point center on offense where he can easily average 20 ppg on rolls duck ins and a wide open lane.

I dont think anyone disagrees with the fact that simmons numbers are much better with a stretch 5 in place of embiid.

[Arsenal]

Ben Simmons is only 23 years old. Why don't we give it some time before pulling panic moves?

I don't think age is relevant. It's development trajectory that matters. Simmons is flatlinning on his development trajectory. His contract could be absolutely terrible in the coming years. If someone offers us an out while swapping an equally talented player with a more desirable skillset, we gotta jump at that opportunity, IMO.

Disagree 100%. Ben Simmons is playing the best ball of his career this year. Once he starts shooting open outside shots, he'll get even better.

Most teams would kill for him. His combination of production and pedigree will make him an extremely valuable asset for years to come.

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Obviously if the team suceeds this season they dont need to trade neither but i think we end up with the 5th or 6th seed and lose in the first round.

If that happense then one of harris horford simmons or embiid is gone due to the salary cap implication of paying the 2nd or 3rd most highest payroll in the league for a first round exit.

Harris is a negative aseet.

Horford is a very negative asset.

Embiid and Simmons are both positive assets who both play center on offense in practise.

Thats too much money on 2 positions to your 4 highest paid players.

If ownership said we will deal simmons or embiid id rather keep simmons. This front office also prefers simmons which is clear from their actions (not retaining jimmy, keeping tobias, getting the perfect center outisde of towns to pair with simmons in horford).

If we have a first round exit i think the writing is on the wall for an embiid trade in the off season.

Disagree. There is no reason to panic and deal Embiid or Simmons. They are still only 23 sand 25 years old, so I have no idea why everyone is panicking as if we have to win this year or its the end of the world.

We can downgrade from Al Horford significantly talentwise, and still improve the team just by getting a better fit.

I just dont think we will ever have a championship level offense with embiid and simmons sharing the court unless embiid is brook lopez from 3. You cant have your 2 best players be centers on offense in this league.

Horford is still a very good player as long as hes playing center. I dont see why we need tp sell low on him just so we can keep continuing the embiid simmons partnership when its probably never going to lead us anywhere.

Horford Harris Simmons (Richardson or a sniper) plus wing or guard from Embiid deal is a much more sensible offense that works on defense as well. It lets Ben be the point center on offense where he can easily average 20 ppg on rolls duck ins and a wide open lane.

I dont think anyone disagrees with the fact that simmons numbers are much better with a stretch 5 in place of embiid.

I say the bolded is a premature conclusion, especially considering Embiid and Simmons are only 25 and 23 years old.

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Disagree. There is no reason to panic and deal Embiid or Simmons. They are still only 23 sand 25 years old, so I have no idea why everyone is panicking as if we have to win this year or its the end of the world.

We can downgrade from Al Horford significantly talentwise, and still improve the team just by getting a better fit.

I just dont think we will ever have a championship level offense with embiid and simmons sharing the court unless embiid is brook lopez from 3. You cant have your 2 best players be centers on offense in this league.

Horford is still a very good player as long as hes playing center. I dont see why we need tp sell low on him just so we can keep continuing the embiid simmons partnership when its probably never going to lead us anywhere.

Horford Harris Simmons (Richardson or a sniper) plus wing or guard from Embiid deal is a much more sensible offense that works on defense as well. It lets Ben be the point center on offense where he can easily average 20 ppg on rolls duck ins and a wide open lane.

I dont think anyone disagrees with the fact that simmons numbers are much better with a stretch 5 in place of embiid.

I say the bolded is a premature conclusion, especially considering Embiid and Simmons are only 25 and 23 years old.

Embiid is going to be 26 before the playoffs start and with his very extensive injury history i dont think its going to be a long prime that extends to his 30s.

If his offense craters in the playoffs for the third straight season and we are a first round exit i would be willing to trade him for an allstar big or wing this off season.

[sodmoraes]

Ben Simmons is only 23 years old. Why don't we give it some time before pulling panic moves?

I don't think age is relevant. It's development trajectory that matters. Simmons is flatlinning on his development trajectory. His contract could be absolutely terrible in the coming years. If someone offers us an out while swapping an equally talented player with a more desirable skillset, we gotta jump at that opportunity, IMO.

Disagree 100%. Ben Simmons is playing the best ball of his career this year. Once he starts shooting open outside shots, he'll get even better.

Most teams would kill for him. His combination of production and pedigree will make him an extremely valuable asset for years to come.

And when he will start shooting? I dont think he will ever be confortable doing that.

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I just dont think we will ever have a championship level offense with embiid and simmons sharing the court unless embiid is brook lopez from 3. You cant have your 2 best players be centers on offense in this league.

Horford is still a very good player as long as hes playing center. I dont see why we need tp sell low on him just so we can keep continuing the embiid simmons partnership when its probably never going to lead us anywhere.

Horford Harris Simmons (Richardson or a sniper) plus wing or guard from Embiid deal is a much more sensible offense that works on defense as well. It lets Ben be the point center on offense where he can easily average 20 ppg on rolls duck ins and a wide open lane.

I dont think anyone disagrees with the fact that simmons numbers are much better with a stretch 5 in place of embiid.

I say the bolded is a premature conclusion, especially considering Embiid and Simmons are only 25 and 23 years old.

Embiid is going to be 26 before the playoffs start and with his very extensive injury history i dont think its going to be a long prime that extends to his 30s.

If his offense craters in the playoffs for the third straight season and we are a first round exit i would be willing to trade him for an allstar big or wing this off season.

If we lose in the 1st round, it will be because of the rest of our mediocre cast, not because of Embiid. Did you forget this from the Raptors series last summer?

Embiid ON: Sixers + 90
Embiid OFF: Sixers -112

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordiejones/2019/05/23/76ers-need-a-better-backup-plan-for-joel-embiid-at-center/

[XtremeDunkz]

I just dont think we will ever have a championship level offense with embiid and simmons sharing the court unless embiid is brook lopez from 3. You cant have your 2 best players be centers on offense in this league.

Horford is still a very good player as long as hes playing center. I dont see why we need tp sell low on him just so we can keep continuing the embiid simmons partnership when its probably never going to lead us anywhere.

Horford Harris Simmons (Richardson or a sniper) plus wing or guard from Embiid deal is a much more sensible offense that works on defense as well. It lets Ben be the point center on offense where he can easily average 20 ppg on rolls duck ins and a wide open lane.

I dont think anyone disagrees with the fact that simmons numbers are much better with a stretch 5 in place of embiid.

I say the bolded is a premature conclusion, especially considering Embiid and Simmons are only 25 and 23 years old.

Embiid is going to be 26 before the playoffs start and with his very extensive injury history i dont think its going to be a long prime that extends to his 30s.

If his offense craters in the playoffs for the third straight season and we are a first round exit i would be willing to trade him for an allstar big or wing this off season.

This is one of the dumbest posts ive seen in a long time. Anyone with half a brain who watched the playoffs the last 2 seasons know the last person to blame is Embiid. Get out of here with that.

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I say the bolded is a premature conclusion, especially considering Embiid and Simmons are only 25 and 23 years old.

Embiid is going to be 26 before the playoffs start and with his very extensive injury history i dont think its going to be a long prime that extends to his 30s.

If his offense craters in the playoffs for the third straight season and we are a first round exit i would be willing to trade him for an allstar big or wing this off season.

If we lose in the 1st round, it will be because of the rest of our mediocre cast, not because of Embiid. Did you forget this from the Raptors series last summer?

Embiid ON: Sixers + 90
Embiid OFF: Sixers -112

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordiejones/2019/05/23/76ers-need-a-better-backup-plan-for-joel-embiid-at-center/

Embiid scored 17 ppg on 37% fg in that series. His on off stats are always inflated since he plays the least against opponnent starters due to his highly unusual substitution patterns. No other star gets subbed out 5 mins into the 1st and 3rd quarter and is out mid way through the 2nd and 4th quarters.

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Embiid is going to be 26 before the playoffs start and with his very extensive injury history i dont think its going to be a long prime that extends to his 30s.

If his offense craters in the playoffs for the third straight season and we are a first round exit i would be willing to trade him for an allstar big or wing this off season.

If we lose in the 1st round, it will be because of the rest of our mediocre cast, not because of Embiid. Did you forget this from the Raptors series last summer?

Embiid ON: Sixers + 90
Embiid OFF: Sixers -112

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordiejones/2019/05/23/76ers-need-a-better-backup-plan-for-joel-embiid-at-center/

Embiid scored 17 ppg on 37% fg in that series. His on off stats are always inflated since he plays the least against opponnent starters due to his highly unusual substitution patterns. No other star gets subbed out 5 mins into the 1st and 3rd quarter and is out mid way through the 2nd and 4th quarters.

His defense makes the much bigger impact vs his offense. And all you have is speculation that his numbers are inflated. Meanwhile every single advanced stat (RPM, RAPM, etc.) disagrees with you.

Just look at our record with Embiid vs. without since 2016. It's totally obvious that he makes the most massive and outsized impact towards this team winning, far more than Simmons or anyone else.

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To ask Ben Simmons to start shooting or get good at shooting is the same as aking gobert capela dwight or drummond to get good at shooting. Its an absurd suggestion. None of them can shoot due to their poor hand eye coordination. If time in the gym was the only thing preventing them from being able to shoot they would all be sharp shooters by now.

Simmons has the same shot chart as those players and has similar abysmal shooting from the line as those players. He will never be a good shooter or even an average shooter due to his hand eye coordination and physiology.

The sooner this fan base accepts that simmons is at a similar shooting baseline to dwight capela gobert drummond etc. the better off we will be in terms of team building discussions.

Ben is not without fault since hes the one on insisting on being a pg when in reality he is a 3 on defense who can guard 1 through 4 and a 5 on offense

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To ask Ben Simmons to start shooting or get good at shooting is the same as aking gobert capela dwight or drummond to get good at shooting. Its an absurd suggestion. None of them can shoot due to their poor hand eye coordination. If time in the gym was the only thing preventing them from being able to shoot they would all be sharp shooters by now.

Simmons has the same shot chart as those players and has similar abysmal shooting from the line as those players. He will never be a good shooter or even an average shooter due to his hand eye coordination and physiology.

The sooner this fan base accepts that simmons is at a similar shooting baseline to dwight capela gobert drummond etc. the better off we will be in terms of team building discussions.

Ben is not without fault since hes the one on insisting on being a pg when in reality he is a 3 on defense who can guard 1 through 4 and a 5 on offense

That's fine. Doesn't change the fact that Embiid + Simmons units have been dominant when surrounded by complimentary pieces, and not by other non-spacing centers like Horford.

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To ask Ben Simmons to start shooting or get good at shooting is the same as aking gobert capela dwight or drummond to get good at shooting. Its an absurd suggestion. None of them can shoot due to their poor hand eye coordination. If time in the gym was the only thing preventing them from being able to shoot they would all be sharp shooters by now.

Simmons has the same shot chart as those players and has similar abysmal shooting from the line as those players. He will never be a good shooter or even an average shooter due to his hand eye coordination and physiology.

The sooner this fan base accepts that simmons is at a similar shooting baseline to dwight capela gobert drummond etc. the better off we will be in terms of team building discussions.

Ben is not without fault since hes the one on insisting on being a pg when in reality he is a 3 on defense who can guard 1 through 4 and a 5 on offense

Simmons is 3 for 3 on in game 3's this season.

[76ciology]

Adding to my point of running an offense that adjusts to simmons.

The team has the highest TO% when Biid is oncourt and the lowest when he is offcourt. You can see how low our TOs are right now in this stretch that Biid is not playing.

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To ask Ben Simmons to start shooting or get good at shooting is the same as aking gobert capela dwight or drummond to get good at shooting. Its an absurd suggestion. None of them can shoot due to their poor hand eye coordination. If time in the gym was the only thing preventing them from being able to shoot they would all be sharp shooters by now.

Simmons has the same shot chart as those players and has similar abysmal shooting from the line as those players. He will never be a good shooter or even an average shooter due to his hand eye coordination and physiology.

The sooner this fan base accepts that simmons is at a similar shooting baseline to dwight capela gobert drummond etc. the better off we will be in terms of team building discussions.

Ben is not without fault since hes the one on insisting on being a pg when in reality he is a 3 on defense who can guard 1 through 4 and a 5 on offense

Asking Ben to shoot is like asking everyone to save the earth by conserving energy and recycle. It’s a nice thought but it’s never gonna happen.

Face the reality. Make Ben a 20ppg scorer. Have an efficient offense that doesnt turn the ball over at a ridiculous rate. That can happen if we tailor the offense for Ben then let the rest of the guys adjust to it.

If we can have Biid get his 20+, with more less challenged shots baskets via off the ball or spot up. Have Tobias get his 20. And finally make Ben an artificial 20ppg scorer. You have a potent scoring trio.

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To ask Ben Simmons to start shooting or get good at shooting is the same as aking gobert capela dwight or drummond to get good at shooting. Its an absurd suggestion. None of them can shoot due to their poor hand eye coordination. If time in the gym was the only thing preventing them from being able to shoot they would all be sharp shooters by now.

Simmons has the same shot chart as those players and has similar abysmal shooting from the line as those players. He will never be a good shooter or even an average shooter due to his hand eye coordination and physiology.

The sooner this fan base accepts that simmons is at a similar shooting baseline to dwight capela gobert drummond etc. the better off we will be in terms of team building discussions.

Ben is not without fault since hes the one on insisting on being a pg when in reality he is a 3 on defense who can guard 1 through 4 and a 5 on offense

Simmons is 3 for 3 on in game 3's this season.

It's 2-2. Not much of a sample size.

[shlo]

To ask Ben Simmons to start shooting or get good at shooting is the same as aking gobert capela dwight or drummond to get good at shooting. Its an absurd suggestion. None of them can shoot due to their poor hand eye coordination. If time in the gym was the only thing preventing them from being able to shoot they would all be sharp shooters by now.

Simmons has the same shot chart as those players and has similar abysmal shooting from the line as those players. He will never be a good shooter or even an average shooter due to his hand eye coordination and physiology.

The sooner this fan base accepts that simmons is at a similar shooting baseline to dwight capela gobert drummond etc. the better off we will be in terms of team building discussions.

Ben is not without fault since hes the one on insisting on being a pg when in reality he is a 3 on defense who can guard 1 through 4 and a 5 on offense

Simmons is 3 for 3 on in game 3's this season.

It's 2-2 in regular season. Not much of a sample size.

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To ask Ben Simmons to start shooting or get good at shooting is the same as aking gobert capela dwight or drummond to get good at shooting. Its an absurd suggestion. None of them can shoot due to their poor hand eye coordination. If time in the gym was the only thing preventing them from being able to shoot they would all be sharp shooters by now.

Simmons has the same shot chart as those players and has similar abysmal shooting from the line as those players. He will never be a good shooter or even an average shooter due to his hand eye coordination and physiology.

The sooner this fan base accepts that simmons is at a similar shooting baseline to dwight capela gobert drummond etc. the better off we will be in terms of team building discussions.

Ben is not without fault since hes the one on insisting on being a pg when in reality he is a 3 on defense who can guard 1 through 4 and a 5 on offense

So this is a body double.

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[76ciology]

After this stretch of of games where he looked good on offense, the desire of him shooting the 3 will be more unlikely.

[Simmons25]

Ben Simmons is only 23 years old. Why don't we give it some time before pulling panic moves?

I don't think age is relevant. It's development trajectory that matters. Simmons is flatlinning on his development trajectory. His contract could be absolutely terrible in the coming years. If someone offers us an out while swapping an equally talented player with a more desirable skillset, we gotta jump at that opportunity, IMO.

Disagree 100%. Ben Simmons is playing the best ball of his career this year. Once he starts shooting open outside shots, he'll get even better.

Most teams would kill for him. His combination of production and pedigree will make him an extremely valuable asset for years to come.

"Once he starts shooting open outside shots" <--- I used to live on that hill but not anymore. It's just never going to happen and people need to accept it.

This year should have been the year he started shooting outside shots. He has absolutely no reason not to... and the fact he is not even taking them and the season is officially half over just makes me angry now.

The only reason he is having these patches of 20+ scoring games is because Joel isn't there. As soon as Joel comes back, the tempo will be deliberately slowed down for Joel, the lanes will be clogged and all of Ben's weaknesses will come to the fore again... and he still won't take a jumper because he refuses to.

If a guy can't even improve his free throw shooting, what hope do we have that he will improve in any other area. That should be the easiest part of the game for anybody in the world to get better at... free throw shooting and somehow Ben has managed to get worse.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I say the bolded is a premature conclusion, especially considering Embiid and Simmons are only 25 and 23 years old.

Embiid is going to be 26 before the playoffs start and with his very extensive injury history i dont think its going to be a long prime that extends to his 30s.

If his offense craters in the playoffs for the third straight season and we are a first round exit i would be willing to trade him for an allstar big or wing this off season.

This is one of the dumbest posts ive seen in a long time. Anyone with half a brain who watched the playoffs the last 2 seasons know the last person to blame is Embiid. Get out of here with that.

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