2019-2020 Trade Deadline Thread

Post #361 » by **Dadouv47** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:47 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:

Read on Twitter

WTF?

1 second before that scene I was opening my eyes so excited after reading ''OKC'' and ''Dallas'' in a Shams tweet.

jambalaya · Post #362 » by **jambalaya** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:17 pm

Roby's Summer League highlights look pretty good. Some offense (handle / passing), some defense (blocks). Turnovers are an issue in G league but weren't in college. (Thunder briefly owned the pick back in 2015 that eventually became him.) 22.

Post #363 » by **Dadouv47** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:25 pm

We should have traded Nader or Burton instead of Patton is Dallas was going to waive him...

Post #364 » by **Dadouv47** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:27 pm

So Dallas made this trade to get WCS...and we got a future all star I guess?

Kizz Fastfists · Post #365 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:35 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:So Dallas made this trade to get WCS...and we got a future all star I guess?

OKC made the trade to save money. It took about $150K off their cap number getting them closer to the tax line and they got a prospect that might become a decent stretch 4. Dallas waived Patton to open a roster spot to trade for WCS. OKC wasn't going to trade for WCS.

OKC gave up virtually nothing to gamble on an athletic stretch 4 prospect. It isn't flashy, but it isn't a bad move. It also doesn't prevent Presti from doing anything else.

Post #366 » by **Dadouv47** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:39 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:So Dallas made this trade to get WCS...and we got a future all star I guess?

OKC made the trade to save money. It took about $150K off their cap number getting them closer to the tax line and they got a prospect that might become a decent stretch 4. Dallas waived Patton to open a roster spot to trade for WCS. OKC wasn't going to trade for WCS.

OKC gave up virtually nothing to gamble on an athletic stretch 4 prospect. It isn't flashy, but it isn't a bad move. It also doesn't prevent Presti from doing anything else.

U right. Don't think it's a bad move at all. Probably insignificant move but who knows...

Was just hoping for something bigger to happen

thor19 · Post #367 » by **thor19** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:25 am

From the summer league vids I see a lot of jerami grant maybe a little more of a playmaker and jerami is more of a shotblocker and dunker

getrichordie · Post #368 » by **getrichordie** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:30 am

Didn't a report come out saying that OKC is willing to take on long-term contracts for picks?

Post #369 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:02 am

Yes.

https://www.welcometoloudcity.com/2019/12/10/21003205/report-thunder-willing-to-take-on-bad-contracts-in-potential-trades

Post #370 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:11 pm

thor19 wrote:From the summer league vids I see a lot of jerami grant maybe a little more of a playmaker and jerami is more of a shotblocker and dunker

Doesn't sound too far off. Seth Partnow of the athletic gave his breakdown:

Roby is an upside/development prospect, who had very good steal and block rates last season at Nebraska, which he paired with some very good combine numbers — 7-foot-1 wingspan 8-10 standing reach, big hands and a 32.5” standing vert. He shot the ball just well enough at Nebraska to make development into a credible NBA 3-point shooter plausible. His limited G League minutes have largely matched the profile, with high rebound, steal and block rates being accompanied by non-terrible shooting (35.7 from 3 and 69.2 from the FT line.)

Sam Vecenie

Generally, I’ve never been quite as in on Roby as everyone else seemed to be. Somewhat like Cauley-Stein, he’s a player where the tools on paper just haven’t really matched the production, unfortunately. He ended up at No. 44 on my big board last year, but it was in large part because NBA scouts kept telling me that I needed to have him higher, as he was assured to be picked in the draft. Ultimately, that came to fruition. If I didn’t account for the opinions of others in some regard on my board, I would have had him in the No. 60 range.

When I watch him, I’m just not quite sure the glue is there in his game to make all of the tools work together in harmony. Defensively, he’s not as good as his steal and block rates would lead you to believe. While he’s mobile, it’s just too easy to push him around. There’s not really any sense of disruption there. He does have a good sense of timing and is a smart kid, but he just doesn’t play with the hair-on-fire intensity that most of the league’s higher-level defensive stoppers do. And really, I think defense is the route to success for him because on offense, you’re getting a guy who can be a maybe-average shooter that doesn’t really pass it at a high level, and tends to get flustered in a way that leads to turnovers.

Old Man Game · Post #371 » by **Old Man Game** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:36 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:
thor19 wrote:From the summer league vids I see a lot of jerami grant maybe a little more of a playmaker and jerami is more of a shotblocker and dunker

Doesn't sound too far off. Seth Partnow of the athletic gave his breakdown:

Roby is an upside/development prospect, who had very good steal and block rates last season at Nebraska, which he paired with some very good combine numbers — 7-foot-1 wingspan 8-10 standing reach, big hands and a 32.5” standing vert. He shot the ball just well enough at Nebraska to make development into a credible NBA 3-point shooter plausible. His limited G League minutes have largely matched the profile, with high rebound, steal and block rates being accompanied by non-terrible shooting (35.7 from 3 and 69.2 from the FT line.)

Sam Vecenie
Generally, I’ve never been quite as in on Roby as everyone else seemed to be. Somewhat like Cauley-Stein, he’s a player where the tools on paper just haven’t really matched the production, unfortunately. He ended up at No. 44 on my big board last year, but it was in large part because NBA scouts kept telling me that I needed to have him higher, as he was assured to be picked in the draft. Ultimately, that came to fruition. If I didn’t account for the opinions of others in some regard on my board, I would have had him in the No. 60 range.

When I watch him, I’m just not quite sure the glue is there in his game to make all of the tools work together in harmony. Defensively, he’s not as good as his steal and block rates would lead you to believe. While he’s mobile, it’s just too easy to push him around. There’s not really any sense of disruption there. He does have a good sense of timing and is a smart kid, but he just doesn’t play with the hair-on-fire intensity that most of the league’s higher-level defensive stoppers do. And really, I think defense is the route to success for him because on offense, you’re getting a guy who can be a maybe-average shooter that doesn’t really pass it at a high level, and tends to get flustered in a way that leads to turnovers.

The fact that he wasn't even getting minutes with their D League roster probably tells you something about him as a prospect. Not a guarantee but not a good sign (unless he was injured).

Galloisdaman · Post #372 » by **Galloisdaman** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:32 pm

getrichordie wrote:Didn't a report come out saying that OKC is willing to take on long-term contracts for picks?

The goal is to have 24 first round picks so they can have a 12 man NBA roster of first round picks plus a dleague roster of first round picks. (joke)

Post #373 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:25 am

Jazz are playing so well and Conley still sucks. Just sayin.

Sea2003 · Post #374 » by **Sea2003** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:28 am

Would Utah entertain a trade for CP?

Post #375 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:57 am

Sea2003 wrote:Would Utah entertain a trade for CP?

In my opinion, they should. They are really good. The chance for a title outweighs the downside of cp3s additional year.

Sea2003 · Post #376 » by **Sea2003** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:18 am

ThunderBolt wrote:
Sea2003 wrote:Would Utah entertain a trade for CP?

In my opinion, they should. They are really good. The chance for a title outweighs the downside of cp3s additional year.

I think a trade would be more probable in the off-season. I don't see them making any major trades in the season, be it whoever.

Post #377 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:32 am

Sea2003 wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:
Sea2003 wrote:Would Utah entertain a trade for CP?

In my opinion, they should. They are really good. The chance for a title outweighs the downside of cp3s additional year.

I think a trade would be more probable in the off-season. I don't see them making any major trades in the season, be it whoever.

You’re right in that it probably won’t happen this year but I think it’s a mistake but all contenders. If I were a fan of any of the contenders and my team failed to make a move that could make them significantly better, I would be disgusted. For the last few years there wasn’t any realistic move any team could make to compete with the warriors. Now that it’s wide open, it’s not the time to be conservative. In my opinion, cp3 makes Utah the favorites in my opinion. Probably would make Miami close to the favorites in the east. Super teams will be back. It’s inevitable.

Sea2003 · Post #378 » by **Sea2003** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:01 am

ThunderBolt wrote:
Sea2003 wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:In my opinion, they should. They are really good. The chance for a title outweighs the downside of cp3s additional year.

I think a trade would be more probable in the off-season. I don't see them making any major trades in the season, be it whoever.

You’re right in that it probably won’t happen this year but I think it’s a mistake but all contenders. If I were a fan of any of the contenders and my team failed to make a move that could make them significantly better, I would be disgusted. For the last few years, there wasn’t any realistic move any team could make to compete with the warriors. Now that it’s wide open, it’s not the time to be conservative. In my opinion, cp3 makes Utah the favorites in my opinion. Probably would make Miami close to the favorites in the east. Super teams will be back. It’s inevitable.

For starters, I think the only two title-contending teams that can trade for CP3 is either Milluwake and Utah. I don't think CP3 raises both team's ceilings dramatically. Utah's gonna want to extend Gobert and Mitchell soon, so i don't know if they want so much money tied around 3 guys. The bucks would have to trade at least 3 guys to match salary's so i don't see that happening.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #379 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:39 am

Mitchell and Gobert would both hit FA right before CP3's finally season. If Utah were willing to take a potential year in the tax down the road for a chance at a championship now it would make sense for them. If they aren't willing to go into the tax then they could still do it with the intent of flipping CP3 before that season. I think the risk/reward adds up for Utah. I'm not sure I want OKC to lose their coach with how young this team is. If Presti hires a competent coach in the off-season I'd be more willing to move CP3.

Post #380 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:02 am

Sea2003 wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:
Sea2003 wrote:
I think a trade would be more probable in the off-season. I don't see them making any major trades in the season, be it whoever.

You’re right in that it probably won’t happen this year but I think it’s a mistake but all contenders. If I were a fan of any of the contenders and my team failed to make a move that could make them significantly better, I would be disgusted. For the last few years, there wasn’t any realistic move any team could make to compete with the warriors. Now that it’s wide open, it’s not the time to be conservative. In my opinion, cp3 makes Utah the favorites in my opinion. Probably would make Miami close to the favorites in the east. Super teams will be back. It’s inevitable.

For starters, I think the only two title-contending teams that can trade for CP3 is either Milluwake and Utah. I don't think CP3 raises both team's ceilings dramatically. Utah's gonna want to extend Gobert and Mitchell soon, so i don't know if they want so much money tied around 3 guys. The bucks would have to trade at least 3 guys to match salary's so i don't see that happening.

Heat and Utah are the two teams I’m primarily referring to. Passing up a chance at a championship because of pending extensions seems foolish to me. What of Gobert walks in free agency? I disagree with the notion that cp3 over Conley doesn’t significantly raise their ceiling. Conley has been terrible.