The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV

[elchengue20]

Oh he had a good game. Let's overeact and talk like he's a superstar.

[SavageBel]

Oh he had a good game. Let's overeact and talk like he's a superstar.

Like people react like he's **** when playing a bad game?

Ben is right now on a tear, he's awesome.

[elchengue20]

Oh he had a good game. Let's overeact and talk like he's a superstar.

Like people react like he's **** when playing a bad game?

Ben is right now on a tear, he's awesome.

Deseverdly so.

Also i'm not saying he's not a good player and denying he's in a good stretch. But he's far from a Superstar like some people here like to say.

I would definitely trade him if i can get a large haul to build around Embiid.

[kingerzz]

I think we should trial Horford off the bench, He could play the back up 5 then some minutes at the 4 instead of Mike Scott with Embiid. We need to avoid playing all three of Embiid, Horford and Simmons at the same time.

Then Ben defends 4s. Then 4s would sag off Ben to clog the paint. This doesnt solve the problem we’ve had for the last two seasons.

What we need to do is to keep running a 4 out offense at all times. And this can be done if Biid will post up less when Ben is on the court.

P.S. our starting unit has 15.7 NetRtg on 118ORtg in the 4th quarter.

Historically, most Simmons & Embiid lineups have been very good from a net ratings perspective with any other starting calibre players. But the key need around them is shooting, Horford is only shooting 32% from three which is not good enough. We expect more from Embiid and Simmons but you have to give them space to be their most effective. Richardson is only shooting 33.3% from three and Harris is at 35.9%.

Whilst I agree a 4 out offense is good in theory, Embiid going to the three point line doesn't provide that in my opinion. Embiid is only shooting 32.2% on usually wide open threes. Smart defenses are going to let him shoot that all day and clog the lane anyway.

[76ciology]

I think we should trial Horford off the bench, He could play the back up 5 then some minutes at the 4 instead of Mike Scott with Embiid. We need to avoid playing all three of Embiid, Horford and Simmons at the same time.

Then Ben defends 4s. Then 4s would sag off Ben to clog the paint. This doesnt solve the problem we’ve had for the last two seasons.

What we need to do is to keep running a 4 out offense at all times. And this can be done if Biid will post up less when Ben is on the court.

P.S. our starting unit has 15.7 NetRtg on 118ORtg in the 4th quarter.

Historically, most Simmons & Embiid lineups have been very good from a net ratings perspective with any other starting calibre players. But the key need around them is shooting, Horford is only shooting 32% from three which is not good enough. We expect more from Embiid and Simmons but you have to give them space to be their most effective. Richardson is only shooting 33.3% from three and Harris is at 35.9%.

Whilst I agree a 4 out offense is good in theory, Embiid going to the three point line doesn't provide that in my opinion. Embiid is only shooting 32.2% on usually wide open threes. Smart defenses are going to let him shoot that all day and clog the lane anyway.

Problem is that netrtg is mostly against poor teams in regular season.

We’ve seen in the playoffs how teams can neutralize biid-ben pairing. It starts with putting a mobile 4 on Ben and sagging off him. Force an Embiid post offense, clog the paint and force a TO.

Brook lopez is shooting below 30% from 3 while Bucks have elite offense.

Another thing with Embiid out is it keeps the rim protector out. Try to watch how we run our offense against the lakers and force AD outside the paint with Horford popping out

[Arsenal]

Then Ben defends 4s. Then 4s would sag off Ben to clog the paint. This doesnt solve the problem we’ve had for the last two seasons.

What we need to do is to keep running a 4 out offense at all times. And this can be done if Biid will post up less when Ben is on the court.

P.S. our starting unit has 15.7 NetRtg on 118ORtg in the 4th quarter.

Historically, most Simmons & Embiid lineups have been very good from a net ratings perspective with any other starting calibre players. But the key need around them is shooting, Horford is only shooting 32% from three which is not good enough. We expect more from Embiid and Simmons but you have to give them space to be their most effective. Richardson is only shooting 33.3% from three and Harris is at 35.9%.

Whilst I agree a 4 out offense is good in theory, Embiid going to the three point line doesn't provide that in my opinion. Embiid is only shooting 32.2% on usually wide open threes. Smart defenses are going to let him shoot that all day and clog the lane anyway.

Problem is that netrtg is mostly against poor teams in regular season.

We’ve seen in the playoffs how teams can neutralize biid-ben pairing. It starts with putting a mobile 4 on Ben and sagging off him. Force an Embiid post offense, clog the paint and force a TO.

Brook lopez is shooting below 30% from 3 while Bucks have elite offense.

Another thing with Embiid out is it keeps the rim protector out. Try to watch how we run our offense against the lakers and force AD outside the paint with Horford popping out

Bropez is only shooting 29% from 3, but his 3 pt attempt rate is really high. That creates the spacing to make their offense work.

For us, we could live with Richardson and Harris as long as the 5th guy is a straight sniper like Korkmaz, to surround Simmons and a 3 point shooting Embiid.

[stormi]

Oh he had a good game. Let's overeact and talk like he's a superstar.

toxic much

[Stonk]

Yep, one less than spectacular game is all it takes for the haters to crawl out of the woodwork (saw this with the toronto game).

It's a bit rich for them to complain about the praise he is receiving now.

[kuclas]

Historically, most Simmons & Embiid lineups have been very good from a net ratings perspective with any other starting calibre players. But the key need around them is shooting, Horford is only shooting 32% from three which is not good enough. We expect more from Embiid and Simmons but you have to give them space to be their most effective. Richardson is only shooting 33.3% from three and Harris is at 35.9%.

Whilst I agree a 4 out offense is good in theory, Embiid going to the three point line doesn't provide that in my opinion. Embiid is only shooting 32.2% on usually wide open threes. Smart defenses are going to let him shoot that all day and clog the lane anyway.

Problem is that netrtg is mostly against poor teams in regular season.

We’ve seen in the playoffs how teams can neutralize biid-ben pairing. It starts with putting a mobile 4 on Ben and sagging off him. Force an Embiid post offense, clog the paint and force a TO.

Brook lopez is shooting below 30% from 3 while Bucks have elite offense.

Another thing with Embiid out is it keeps the rim protector out. Try to watch how we run our offense against the lakers and force AD outside the paint with Horford popping out

Bropez is only shooting 29% from 3, but his 3 pt attempt rate is really high. That creates the spacing to make their offense work.

For us, we could live with Richardson and Harris as long as the 5th guy is a straight sniper like Korkmaz, to surround Simmons and a 3 point shooting Embiid.

Embiid is the outlier in post play. He is the most efficient or close to most efficient per post ups. He either draws fouls or gets to the line or scores. Teams will love it if Embiid sits on 3 point line. Less work for them.

[Sixerscan]

Then Ben defends 4s. Then 4s would sag off Ben to clog the paint. This doesnt solve the problem we’ve had for the last two seasons.

What we need to do is to keep running a 4 out offense at all times. And this can be done if Biid will post up less when Ben is on the court.

P.S. our starting unit has 15.7 NetRtg on 118ORtg in the 4th quarter.

Historically, most Simmons & Embiid lineups have been very good from a net ratings perspective with any other starting calibre players. But the key need around them is shooting, Horford is only shooting 32% from three which is not good enough. We expect more from Embiid and Simmons but you have to give them space to be their most effective. Richardson is only shooting 33.3% from three and Harris is at 35.9%.

Whilst I agree a 4 out offense is good in theory, Embiid going to the three point line doesn't provide that in my opinion. Embiid is only shooting 32.2% on usually wide open threes. Smart defenses are going to let him shoot that all day and clog the lane anyway.

Problem is that netrtg is mostly against poor teams in regular season.

We’ve seen in the playoffs how teams can neutralize biid-ben pairing. It starts with putting a mobile 4 on Ben and sagging off him. Force an Embiid post offense, clog the paint and force a TO.

Brook lopez is shooting below 30% from 3 while Bucks have elite offense.

Another thing with Embiid out is it keeps the rim protector out. Try to watch how we run our offense against the lakers and force AD outside the paint with Horford popping out

The Sixers had a +16.4 Net Rating with Embiid and Simmons on the court in the Raptors series.

[Stonk]

Problem is that netrtg is mostly against poor teams in regular season.

We’ve seen in the playoffs how teams can neutralize biid-ben pairing. It starts with putting a mobile 4 on Ben and sagging off him. Force an Embiid post offense, clog the paint and force a TO.

Brook lopez is shooting below 30% from 3 while Bucks have elite offense.

Another thing with Embiid out is it keeps the rim protector out. Try to watch how we run our offense against the lakers and force AD outside the paint with Horford popping out

Bropez is only shooting 29% from 3, but his 3 pt attempt rate is really high. That creates the spacing to make their offense work.

For us, we could live with Richardson and Harris as long as the 5th guy is a straight sniper like Korkmaz, to surround Simmons and a 3 point shooting Embiid.

Embiid is the outlier in post play. He is the most efficient or close to most efficient per post ups. He either draws fouls or gets to the line or scores. Teams will love it if Embiid sits on 3 point line. Less work for them.

But we can't look at his efficiency in a vacuum like that. We have to widen the scope and do what is most beneficial to the entire team.

It's like how we can't just say; Ben not taking jumpshots is more efficient, there for ben not taking jumpshots is good for the sixers. - that is false, we are ignoring how his lack of spacing effects everyone else on offense in this scenario.

Just like saying embiid post ups are very efficient, they are for good for the sixers. - we need to look at how it brings down everyone else offensively when we keep dumping it into him down low where the ball stops completely and the pace drops. The stop/start of the offence ruins the rhythm and flow of everyone else on the offensive end imo (especially tobias & ben).

Every player has to sacrifice for the greater good.

[nurseryc]

Oh he had a good game. Let's overeact and talk like he's a superstar.

Like people react like he's **** when playing a bad game?

Ben is right now on a tear, he's awesome.

Deseverdly so.

Also i'm not saying he's not a good player and denying he's in a good stretch. But he's far from a Superstar like some people here like to say.

I would definitely trade him if i can get a large haul to build around Embiid.

Bahahahaha

[Eyeamok]

Like people react like he's **** when playing a bad game?

Ben is right now on a tear, he's awesome.

Deseverdly so.

Also i'm not saying he's not a good player and denying he's in a good stretch. But he's far from a Superstar like some people here like to say.

I would definitely trade him if i can get a large haul to build around Embiid.

Bahahahaha

When Ben plays the way that he can and should. You realize that he is just a jump shot away ( a good off season perhaps ?) from being an MVP in this league. Not a 3 point shot, just a jump shot. Which has to give you pause when even thinking about trading him.
Philly has a history of trading away #1 overall picks and not getting a stellar return. I would hate to see this happen with Ben. And I've been down on Ben too.

[Trafford10]

Deseverdly so.

Also i'm not saying he's not a good player and denying he's in a good stretch. But he's far from a Superstar like some people here like to say.

I would definitely trade him if i can get a large haul to build around Embiid.

Bahahahaha

When Ben plays the way that he can and should. You realize that he is just a jump shot away ( a good off season perhaps ?) from being an MVP in this league. Not a 3 point shot, just a jump shot. Which has to give you pause when even thinking about trading him.
Philly has a history of trading away #1 overall picks and not getting a stellar return. I would hate to see this happen with Ben. And I've been down on Ben too.

hmmm....what about the unrelenting Ben hate for months and months on this fan forum.
Surely best to trade Ben and Ben haters can all go back and live their lives again?

[Eyeamok]

Bahahahaha

When Ben plays the way that he can and should. You realize that he is just a jump shot away ( a good off season perhaps ?) from being an MVP in this league. Not a 3 point shot, just a jump shot. Which has to give you pause when even thinking about trading him.
Philly has a history of trading away #1 overall picks and not getting a stellar return. I would hate to see this happen with Ben. And I've been down on Ben too.

hmmm....what about the unrelenting Ben hate for months and months on this fan forum.
Surely best to trade Ben and Ben haters can all go back and live their lives again?

I'd like to think of it not as hate but more of fans wanting their star player to play like a star player. People have a tendency to think if you criticize a person you must hate/dislike them. On the contrary a lot of the times it is the opposite. You care enough to give your criticism in hopes that the person will understand and do something about it. Also take into account this "Ben hate/criticism" did not spring out of nowhere. It is a combination of several seasons of him not getting better. Him still being a liability in the 1/2 court during the playoffs, him not expanding his game beyond the foul line, him not playing hard.

[Stonk]

No, Ben gets so much hate as soon as he has a mediocre game and the team loses. Where as with everyone else, they are tired/gassed if they have an off night, or it's bens fault (guess who im talking about).

[Mik317]

the alternative is the moment Ben had a great game then its time to trade Embiid.

both sides are reactionary idiots who live in the moment and suddenly vanish when things go south.

also there is a difference between Ben's bad games and most players....most player just miss shots and look sluggish. The latter is not excusable but it happens. Ben's bad games come with inactivity and a unwillingness to step out of his comfort zone. If Ben's bad games came with poor shooting, I wouldn't be too mad (some would but those are the real haters who are just here to hate and validate it)...but thats not how it goes.

Most people are harsh on Ben because if he starts hitting jumpers...its over. This **** would be so free...so when he doesn't even try it makes people lose their ****. Joel is fat and out of shape BUT as a center his whole game is reliant on his teammates...Ben wants to be the point guard...where the game should be reliant on him enforcing his will. So when he doesn't, it hurts the whole team. This idea that Joel has to adjust his game more is nuts to me because Ben has JUST adjusted his game via screening more. Where as Joel has lost the two players that made things work for him. Has taken more 3s and is forced to be the hub of an offense and thisu be better out of double teams...when the main solution is for one player to take open shots.

people are hard on Ben because he is the one player that changes everything. Joel is great. But one great player does not make things go in today's NBA. LeBron **** James has dragged bums to the finish line only to get bodied by a super team...you need two. Tobias isn't it. Horford is old. Ben has to be the guy...so when he isn't...he will get the bulk of the blame. Thats how it goes..Its not fair all the time; as I stated those who get on Ben when he has a bad game, suddenly dissapear when he plays well...but he is the guy who changes our ceiling now

[Stonk]

[76ciology]

Watch on YouTube

Game against the Warriors.

This is the type of game Ben should defer because Draymond is hunting him on defense.

This is the type of game we could let Al or Biid to attack the mismatch, with Paschall and Green defending both guys

[XtremeDunkz]

Passing to a double teamed Embiid instead of taking a wide open 8 foot floater was embarrassing. All in all decent game from Ben. Better than usual when Embiid plays.