2020 Draft Thread

[Onus]

i think rooks can help immediately if u get the right ones, and u can get serviceable vets via our exceptions.

Our entire bench will be comprised of young players. They can come in and fill a role but when there’s nothing but young players on the bench it’s not going to produce great results. We need to be able to add a couple of vets and the best way to do that is to use our tpe, mle, and our 2020 1st. Especially when the top of this draft isn’t really intriguing.

I want to use the tpe and I doubt it gets used by itself.
meh, i'm not as adverse to young players as you are, we have a lot of experience with Steph/Klay/Dray/Loon, and we can still add vets to the team via exceptions and min contracts, we can also bring back guys like McKinnie and Bogut.

[killmongrel]

we can also bring back guys like McKinnie

Why?

because we need a 3rd unit wing

I suppose. But I think there are better options. I also think McKinnie just extended with the Cavs.

I'd like to re-sign GR3 if possible. If not, we can aim for somebody like James Ennis. Or keep JTA on his non-guaranteed deal. I think he can rebound just as well as McKinnie and has better defense.

[clyde21]

Why?

because we need a 3rd unit wing

I suppose. But I think there are better options. I also think McKinnie just extended with the Cavs.

I'd like to re-sign GR3 if possible. If not, we can aim for somebody like James Ennis. Or keep JTA on his non-guaranteed deal. I think he can rebound just as well as McKinnie and has better defense.

i don't care about McKinnie either way, i'm just making a point that we can get vets to fill out the bench it's not a huge issue, the real priority should be adding talent, i don't care if it's young.

[killmongrel]

because we need a 3rd unit wing

I suppose. But I think there are better options. I also think McKinnie just extended with the Cavs.

I'd like to re-sign GR3 if possible. If not, we can aim for somebody like James Ennis. Or keep JTA on his non-guaranteed deal. I think he can rebound just as well as McKinnie and has better defense.

i don't care about McKinnie either way, i'm just making a point that we can get vets to fill out the bench it's not a huge issue, the real priority should be adding talent, i don't care if it's young.

I see. It's unfortunate that Iguodala is signed with the Heat till 2021, so when it comes to vet presence, it'll probably be Steph, Klay, and Dray. But that should be good enough.

[Onus]

Our entire bench will be comprised of young players. They can come in and fill a role but when there’s nothing but young players on the bench it’s not going to produce great results. We need to be able to add a couple of vets and the best way to do that is to use our tpe, mle, and our 2020 1st. Especially when the top of this draft isn’t really intriguing.

I want to use the tpe and I doubt it gets used by itself.
meh, i'm not as adverse to young players as you are, we have a lot of experience with Steph/Klay/Dray/Loon, and we can still add vets to the team via exceptions and min contracts, we can also bring back guys like McKinnie and Bogut.

Oops looks like this got lost.

The tpe is rarely used but if we attach our first with it we’d actually be able to use it and drop lower in the draft rather than trying to develop 2 more rookies. Do you really trust our scouts to find ready made players?

[cdubbz]

If the opportunity presents itself & Warriors have a higher draft pick than the Knicks I would work something out where we draft Lamelo Ball and trade with Knicks and somehow they add Robinson.

Knicks would love the flare and showmanship of a Lamelo Ball. Warriors get our Center and can use the Knicks draft pick on whoever.

[Onus]

If the opportunity presents itself & Warriors have a higher draft pick than the Knicks I would work something out where we draft Lamelo Ball and trade with Knicks and somehow they add Robinson.

Knicks would love the flare and showmanship of a Lamelo Ball. Warriors get our Center and can use the Knicks draft pick on whoever.

I’m not sure there’s a single player on the Knicks that I would want.

[chef_martin]

This draft is all about opportunity cost. Warriors have 3 ways to add impact players next year: 1st round draft pick, tax payer MLE, Iguodala trade exception. Warriors need a backup PG, big center, and 2 quality backup wings, but we only have 3 real ways to add players. In my mind, if we can get a center like Mason Plumlee on a minimum contract, I'd rather do that instead of give Wiseman a 4/40+ contract, because then we can use all our 3 remaining ways to add impact wings and a PG. Simply put there is no reason to draft a center that high when our best lineups will have Draymond at center and in the playoffs more often than not Looney will start. So that means trading down and drafting players like Okoro or Haliburton and using our exceptions on veterans who are proven winners.

[xfactor99]

Agreed. I would only draft a center high in the draft if he is an unbelievable offensive force (e.g. Towns, Jokic) or elite rim protector (Gobert, Embiid). Even Ayton at #1 is questionable in the modern NBA. Wiseman does not even profile as well as Ayton, Wiseman lacks...basketball IQ and defensive intelligence and is just relying on pure athleticism at this point. Also, you can get by in the modern NBA with centers on minimums. Forget Wiseman.

[CaliWG]

Kispert from Gonzaga has been brought up a few times in this thread, but Jake Toolson from BYU (Danny Ainge’s nephew) might actually be a better version of Kispert because of his ability to both shoot and be a playmaker. Toolson is currently shooting 49% from 3 on 5.6 attempts per game and he’s also averaging 4.3 assists in addition to being a knock down shooter. Plus he has a high level post up game to exploit mismatches on switches against smaller guards. Definitely someone to watch with that 2nd Round pick.

[TB]

My hunch is that a trade down likely won't be possible, nor will a trade for a vet that is better than rolling the dice on a pick.... so here is how I see the top 5 going, and my thoughts on what i'd do.

1-2) Wiseman and Ball. HUGE question marks here, but really the only 2 guys I see with the upside of a top 2 pick. Time to deal with the reality that the 2020 draft might just get you Whiteside or a tall J-Will. Both will be positive players with potential to be elite.

3) I guess you gotta go with Edwards? That being said i'm pretty sure I like Okoro and Avidja better longterm...

4-5) I think Okoro ends up in top 5, and I'd almost rather reach and take him over Edwards. Same goes for Avidja. I see Okoro and Avidja as great glue guy starters, and in this draft i may take that over the Wiggins/barnes type hype of a Edwards.

If for some reason we get a late first, my favorites are:

- Snag a roation big that drops in Stewart or Carney
- Take a flier on a potential star in Ramsey or Pokusevski
- Take a flier on a potential elite glue guy in Lewis

for our 2nds, it really come down to who drops... but i'd be looking at Lewis, Joe, Neismith, Kispert, Winston at this point.

[clyde21]

Agreed. I would only draft a center high in the draft if he is an unbelievable offensive force (e.g. Towns, Jokic) or elite rim protector (Gobert, Embiid). Even Ayton at #1 is questionable in the modern NBA. Wiseman does not even profile as well as Ayton, Wiseman lacks...basketball IQ and defensive intelligence and is just relying on pure athleticism at this point. Also, you can get by in the modern NBA with centers on minimums. Forget Wiseman.

ding ding ding

that would be Evan Mobley next year.

[Mylie10]

Kispert from Gonzaga has been brought up a few times in this thread, but Jake Toolson from BYU (Danny Ainge’s nephew) might actually be a better version of Kispert because of his ability to both shoot and be a playmaker. Toolson is currently shooting 49% from 3 on 5.6 attempts per game and he’s also averaging 4.3 assists in addition to being a knock down shooter. Plus he has a high level post up game to exploit mismatches on switches against smaller guards. Definitely someone to watch with that 2nd Round pick.

Nice find, what are his measurables?

[TB]

Just looked up Toolson and his numbers are crazy good...

he's 6'5, seems decent enough size...

annnnd he's Van Wilder. About 37 years old.

[chef_martin]

My hunch is that a trade down likely won't be possible, nor will a trade for a vet that is better than rolling the dice on a pick.

I was thinking about trading down with Detroit/Chicago for smaller pieces like Derrick Rose or Tomas Satoransky and their 7/8 pick. The idea would be that we get one of Avdija or Okoro and a solid backup PG and Detroit/Chicago get a top 3 player in this draft. It would also make use of our TPE without giving up more assets. Obviously this depends on where the lottery balls fall.

[KevinMcreynolds]

Kispert from Gonzaga has been brought up a few times in this thread, but Jake Toolson from BYU (Danny Ainge’s nephew) might actually be a better version of Kispert because of his ability to both shoot and be a playmaker. Toolson is currently shooting 49% from 3 on 5.6 attempts per game and he’s also averaging 4.3 assists in addition to being a knock down shooter. Plus he has a high level post up game to exploit mismatches on switches against smaller guards. Definitely someone to watch with that 2nd Round pick.

Nice find, what are his measurables?

wouldn't you like to know

[Mylie10]

Can't hate on a dude shooting 49% from 3. Can't have enough shooters.

[TB]

My hunch is that a trade down likely won't be possible, nor will a trade for a vet that is better than rolling the dice on a pick.

I was thinking about trading down with Detroit/Chicago for smaller pieces like Derrick Rose or Tomas Satoransky and their 7/8 pick. The idea would be that we get one of Avdija or Okoro and a solid backup PG and Detroit/Chicago get a top 3 player in this draft. It would also make use of our TPE without giving up more assets. Obviously this depends on where the lottery balls fall.

NIce plan. Saw something similar someone mentioned with a scenario of Detroit falling in love with a Wiseman type, and sending Kennard and their pick to move up.

I'd much rather have Kennard and either Okoro/Deni than just having Wiseman or Edwards.

[Marcus]

Agreed. I would only draft a center high in the draft if he is an unbelievable offensive force (e.g. Towns, Jokic) or elite rim protector (Gobert, Embiid). Even Ayton at #1 is questionable in the modern NBA. Wiseman does not even profile as well as Ayton, Wiseman lacks...basketball IQ and defensive intelligence and is just relying on pure athleticism at this point. Also, you can get by in the modern NBA with centers on minimums. Forget Wiseman.

ding ding ding

that would be Evan Mobley next year.

If Evan is off the board would you take Badji with Minny's pick?

[ChuckDurn]

Agreed. I would only draft a center high in the draft if he is an unbelievable offensive force (e.g. Towns, Jokic) or elite rim protector (Gobert, Embiid). Even Ayton at #1 is questionable in the modern NBA. Wiseman does not even profile as well as Ayton, Wiseman lacks...basketball IQ and defensive intelligence and is just relying on pure athleticism at this point. Also, you can get by in the modern NBA with centers on minimums. Forget Wiseman.

ding ding ding

that would be Evan Mobley next year.

If Evan is off the board would you take Badji with Minny's pick?

It might just be me, but a hypothetical on a draft which is 16 months in the future seems a bit...... speculative.