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2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

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Who do you prefer of the following prospects?

Desmond Bane
12
41%
Saddiq Bey
1
3%
RJ Hampton
1
3%
Kira Lewis Jr
4
14%
Tyrese Maxey
2
7%
Aaron Nesmith
2
7%
Isaac Okoro
1
3%
Jalen Smith
2
7%
Tyrell Terry
2
7%
Patrick Williams
2
7%
 
Total votes: 29

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Post#161 » by Mr Puddles » Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:15 am

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thamadkant wrote:I think Brandon Clarke is perfect next to Ayton, would Grizzlies trade him for a pick between 12 and 15?


He’d be so perfect it hurts and I wasn’t a big fan of him. Looking past the “dashboard” stats his metrics are impressive too. He’s 2nd in BPM and VORP.

We passed twice (and he’s a PHX kid to boot)...


The Grizzlies seem to be super high on him (atleast the fans are). The fact that he's been able to hit the three consistently (albeit on low volume) changes everything - there is no way Memphis makes him available for just the 12th - 15th pick, we'd have to add Bridges as well.
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Post#162 » by Desertfox » Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:24 pm

It was sheer stupidity to pass on him. Half the board would have been ok with him at 6, and he was a no-brainer at 11. Instead we got an injury prone backup 3 with one usable skill, 10 picks too early.
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Post#163 » by Bogyo » Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:46 pm

Desertfox wrote:It was sheer stupidity to pass on him. Half the board would have been ok with him at 6, and he was a no-brainer at 11. Instead we got an injury prone backup 3 with one usable skill, 10 picks too early.


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Post#164 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:00 pm

https://uproxx.com/dimemag/2020-under-the-radar-nba-draft-prospects/ .

Potential cheap contractual developmental assets with solid potential that we could acquire, Should we just trade for/ or buy a 2nd round pick. Also, It wouldn't hurt to have extra depth and insurance against injury depletion for our roster too.
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Post#165 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:56 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:https://uproxx.com/dimemag/2020-under-the-radar-nba-draft-prospects/ .

Potential cheap contractual developmental assets with solid potential that we could acquire, Should we just trade for/ or buy a 2nd round pick. Also, It wouldn't hurt to have extra depth and insurance against injury depletion for our roster too.


I'm not at all against buying a 2nd rounder in this draft. Should be some for sale, given the number of teams who have multiple picks. Probably buyers, too, given how many teams have none.
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Post#166 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:12 pm

Desertfox wrote:It was sheer stupidity to pass on him. Half the board would have been ok with him at 6, and he was a no-brainer at 11. Instead we got an injury prone backup 3 with one usable skill, 10 picks too early.
Clarke is such an interesting case because lots ofk draft types online loved the dude he still fell to 21. Ryen Russillo mentioned talking to GMs predraft and asking about Clarke and some being super dismissive of Clarke basically saying 'nice story but not a player'.

I think it happens in all sports where guys that don't really fit the normal profile because of size or age or whatever are hard for GMs to wrap their head around. Not saying it's right or any excuse but just that it happens.

Now not picking PJ Washington, who did check many traditional boxes is what bothers me.

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Post#167 » by Desertfox » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:20 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Clarke is such an interesting case because lots ofk draft types online loved the dude he still fell to 21. Ryen Russillo mentioned talking to GMs predraft and asking about Clarke and some being super dismissive of Clarke basically saying 'nice story but not a player'.

I think it happens in all sports where guys that don't really fit the normal profile because of size or age or whatever are hard for GMs to wrap their head around. Not saying it's right or any excuse but just that it happens.

Now not picking PJ Washington, who did check many traditional boxes is what bothers me.

As much as I love Clarke, I would have been ok with Washington and NAW as they would have at least made sense.

Now Cam Johnson was just so far out of left field... And his advantage of being a senior with plenty of college experience was exactly the same as Clarke's, and it wasn't like Cam was bigger and/or more athletic than Clarke...
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Post#168 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:42 pm

Desertfox wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Clarke is such an interesting case because lots ofk draft types online loved the dude he still fell to 21. Ryen Russillo mentioned talking to GMs predraft and asking about Clarke and some being super dismissive of Clarke basically saying 'nice story but not a player'.

I think it happens in all sports where guys that don't really fit the normal profile because of size or age or whatever are hard for GMs to wrap their head around. Not saying it's right or any excuse but just that it happens.

Now not picking PJ Washington, who did check many traditional boxes is what bothers me.

As much as I love Clarke, I would have been ok with Washington and NAW as they would have at least made sense.

Now Cam Johnson was just so far out of left field... And his advantage of being a senior with plenty of college experience was exactly the same as Clarke's, and it wasn't like Cam was bigger and/or more athletic than Clarke...
Yeah I liked NAW too. I have to admit while I had talked myself into being fine with Clarke as the pick I had some concerns. The age didn't bother me but his funky looking shot and lack of length gave me pause.

Cam seemed out of left field but I actually don't think it was as much of a reach as some, like I think OKC would have loved to take him 21 and he might have went even sooner because of the leagues obsession with shooting.

While he wasn't my guy I actually kind of like Cams overall game more than I thought I would. I think he'll be a decent NBA rotation player.

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Post#169 » by bwgood77 » Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:07 am

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:https://uproxx.com/dimemag/2020-under-the-radar-nba-draft-prospects/ .

Potential cheap contractual developmental assets with solid potential that we could acquire, Should we just trade for/ or buy a 2nd round pick. Also, It wouldn't hurt to have extra depth and insurance against injury depletion for our roster too.


I'm not at all against buying a 2nd rounder in this draft. Should be some for sale, given the number of teams who have multiple picks. Probably buyers, too, given how many teams have none.


When have we bought a second round pick since Sarver owned the team? This is a bad draft in the first place. Not one to buy extra picks, and even the guys Ghost likes are projected in the 20s, like Nesmith and Vassell.
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Post#170 » by bwgood77 » Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:10 am

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Desertfox wrote:It was sheer stupidity to pass on him. Half the board would have been ok with him at 6, and he was a no-brainer at 11. Instead we got an injury prone backup 3 with one usable skill, 10 picks too early.
Clarke is such an interesting case because lots ofk draft types online loved the dude he still fell to 21. Ryen Russillo mentioned talking to GMs predraft and asking about Clarke and some being super dismissive of Clarke basically saying 'nice story but not a player'.

I think it happens in all sports where guys that don't really fit the normal profile because of size or age or whatever are hard for GMs to wrap their head around. Not saying it's right or any excuse but just that it happens.

Now not picking PJ Washington, who did check many traditional boxes is what bothers me.

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Yeah, there were people who absolutely loved the way he played but when they saw his measurements and wingspan dismissed him completely....even though he was a phenomenal defender who can guard most positions and had some of the highest efficiency ever. It's funny because in many ways he was similar to Zion. They both had super hops but not long wingspans. Oh well.
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Post#171 » by bwgood77 » Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:11 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Desertfox wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Clarke is such an interesting case because lots ofk draft types online loved the dude he still fell to 21. Ryen Russillo mentioned talking to GMs predraft and asking about Clarke and some being super dismissive of Clarke basically saying 'nice story but not a player'.

I think it happens in all sports where guys that don't really fit the normal profile because of size or age or whatever are hard for GMs to wrap their head around. Not saying it's right or any excuse but just that it happens.

Now not picking PJ Washington, who did check many traditional boxes is what bothers me.

As much as I love Clarke, I would have been ok with Washington and NAW as they would have at least made sense.

Now Cam Johnson was just so far out of left field... And his advantage of being a senior with plenty of college experience was exactly the same as Clarke's, and it wasn't like Cam was bigger and/or more athletic than Clarke...
Yeah I liked NAW too. I have to admit while I had talked myself into being fine with Clarke as the pick I had some concerns. The age didn't bother me but his funky looking shot and lack of length gave me pause.

Cam seemed out of left field but I actually don't think it was as much of a reach as some, like I think OKC would have loved to take him 21 and he might have went even sooner because of the leagues obsession with shooting.

While he wasn't my guy I actually kind of like Cams overall game more than I thought I would. I think he'll be a decent NBA rotation player.

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Yeah, I actually like Cam's game, and if we do end up dealing Oubre, I think we would have a nice pair at the 3 spot and might be able to get a very nice player for Oubre.
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Post#172 » by AtheJ415 » Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:37 am

I don't mind Cam but will never understand picking him over Clarke.

This draft I'd be aiming at Killian Hayes or Tyrese Haliburton. I know both are projected to go higher than we pick though. I'd say we should try to trade up but Jones clearly doesn't believe in the draft, which is unfortunate (Melton and Clarke would be good on this team).

Not a fan of Mannion and haven't been hugely impressed on Cole Anthony although I'd be okay taking a flier on him. Wouldn't mind Obi Toppin either but he has some issues. Prefer him slightly to Jalen Smith.

Others I like who aren't ideal fits positionwise: Josh Green, Vernon Carey, Sadiq Bey

Guys I want to avoid: Jaden McDaniels (just think he's a low IQ decisionmaker), Mannion (I just think he won't have the athleticism to get separation in the NBA, and he doesn't defend, is an unwilling rebounder. I think he's a backup PG at best and we would be better off with Hayes / Haliburton next to Book or Anthony if it came down to it).
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Post#173 » by AtheJ415 » Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:40 am

Also I have long been on the start Mikal at the 4 bandwagon, but we do need a traditional big to match up against teams with a lot of size better. I think trading back for Carey and moving on from Baynes could save us some cap space also.
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Post#174 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:18 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:https://uproxx.com/dimemag/2020-under-the-radar-nba-draft-prospects/ .

Potential cheap contractual developmental assets with solid potential that we could acquire, Should we just trade for/ or buy a 2nd round pick. Also, It wouldn't hurt to have extra depth and insurance against injury depletion for our roster too.


I'm not at all against buying a 2nd rounder in this draft. Should be some for sale, given the number of teams who have multiple picks. Probably buyers, too, given how many teams have none.


When have we bought a second round pick since Sarver owned the team? This is a bad draft in the first place. Not one to buy extra picks, and even the guys Ghost likes are projected in the 20s, like Nesmith and Vassell.


Whilst your not wrong in that Sarver has over his tenure here, Has created a blatant image of himself being cheap and grossly inept when it comes to recognizing value and potential especially with respect to the draft, it's prospects,
And their obvious potential as tradable assets that can be cheaply acquired, Or as cost effective ways to add depth, James Jones himself has professed a newfound perspective on the value of the draft, As well as in adding veteran players too.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/arizonasports.com/story/2252459/gm-james-jones-reinforces-stance-on-how-suns-value-nba-draft/amp/

The draft is a place where you can add tremendous depth, where you can add tremendous capacity to your team and set you up for the future but current players actually produce and you see that productivity in real time,” he said Tuesday. “It just depends on the situation, depends on the player and more importantly it depends on the position.”

So with respect to that statement as well as the supposed newfound independence and autonomy gifted to Jones and Bowers, by sarver stepping back and relinquishing more control, It should be reasonable to infer that there is hope for a different model for success or vision finally. Hopefully they also have woken up to the reality that the draft, and more specifically the 2nd round prospects offer minimal to no real monetary or contractual risk , As they're unguaranteed contracts, Yet many still carry immense untapped potential.

But obviously it's our responsibility to properly identify such undiscovered talent and potential as other successful franchises seem to do each and every year. My hope is that our front office has finally become aware of the inherent value of building through the draft and creating a system with high levels of player development and also recognize that their scouting staff needs to become a very strong aspect of their front office.

Lastly, Whilst I can agree with your statement that on the surface, We can say this draft isn't nearly as loaded with top tier talent, Nor has it been hyped to any comparable levels as other drafts may have. It would be ignorant and/or shortsighted for anyone to make proclamations regarding the overall value of the players throughout, As there's many various starter level and role player level players still to be found with differing levels of perspective value, depending upon what each individual team is looking for honestly. Also, as we've seen time and time again each year, whether it be in the first or 2nd round, There are always a number of unknown or undiscovered players that get overlooked, Only to be found by the very best franchises that have managed to realize the value of the draft. And as such, Now have young, high potential, talented high value tradable assets that can be cost controlled through out their rookie contracts (about 6 years)? If they don't accept their qualifying offer?

Another important consideration being overlooked, particularly with respect to our current roster situation is in that these rookies on minimal contracts easily provide depth and additional insurance againsthaving an injury depleted roster, as well as needed depth throughout the season. Lastly, it's true that I would love them to consider Vassell and/ or Nesmith for a potential additional pick. As I just think that they have tremendous potential, IF DEVELOPED CORECTLY or if they go to the right system that actually plays them and doesn't just randomly ship them off before realizing what they have to offer. But even as BW himself stated, They've already moved up into the 20s' from the 2nd round, Thusly substantiating my claim that value can be identified or recognized, anywhere in the draft. This is because the draft is fluid with varying talent moving up and down a scale. But again, Not all highly talented players are immediately recognized as many such " hidden gems" don't get the same levels of media attention and hype , Because they didn't ( for whatever reason) go to major universities or well known programs. It happens. But that fact doesn't negate or diminish that individual players potential or inherent talent. Ultimately, it's up to our front office to properly identify, acquire and develop these very same unknown or undiscovered talents, Just as the bigger, more successful franchises do. So, You can argue all you want against the draft, But aside from the draft, In this last decade or so of misding the playoffs, What have we really accomplished through trades and free agency that has helped us reclaim relevance again???

Just because we drafted really poorly in the past, doesn't mean it's not easily the most viable, And cost effective way for a franchise with our issues, poor overall image and culture to add actual depth and talent. But also more importantly, it's a very cost effective way to replenish our depleted trade assets. So yes, despite not being a highly anticipated or well hyped draft, We should definitely add a pick or two, not necessarily with the expectations of them stepping right in and contributing, But to give us additional depth, and high potential trade assets as they're developed properly. :D
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Post#175 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:16 pm

Sure the suns haven't drafted well... but they also haven't traded well or done well signed FAs. Basically if the suns stopped doing things they haven't done well they would have to shut down the franchise :)

So I finally got around to start looking at prospects. I don't really watch much college hoops. First question why is Nico Mannion from AZ considered a top 10 pick? Like what am I supposed like about him, his numbers are let's just say less than exciting.
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Post#176 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:56 pm

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Post#177 » by ATTL » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:58 am

Ball becoming a great player would be my biggest shock in my time of draft watching.
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Post#178 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:08 pm

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ATTL wrote:There are a few intriguing power forward prospects that should be available for us.
Reed, toppin, Smith, okongwu.
Okongwu probably struggles at the 4 until he learns to shoot but the other guys seem capable from 3 already.


I think Okongwu has the best chance of becoming a star with his terrific combination of speed, strength, length and skills. He's the only player I'd consider on this list were we to have, say the #4 pick. I agree that he's not a perfect fit next to Ayton, since all he does is dive to the rim every time he gets the ball. OTOH, you draft for talent, not for fit. Amirite?

I'd strongly consider Toppin at the back of the lottery if he fell to us. Dynamic, NBA-ready offensive game that would help us from day 1. Doesn't get you the blocks, steals or rebounds that the rest of these guys get, and may not have as high a ceiling because his age. My biggest concerns are whether he'll prove a useful defender at the NBA level, whether he'll improve his long ball, and whether he'll develop as a facilitator.

I really struggle choosing between Reed and Smith. I love Reed's upside as a potential defensive superstar, but he's been inconsistent and DePaul isn't winning. Jalen Smith, meanwhile, gives you a steady stream of rebounds, blocks and three point shooting for a top college team, at 19. My biggest concern with Smith is that he plays the 5 in college, and I think he'll play the 5 in the NBA as well. Ultimately, I suppose I gotta give the edge to Paul Reed if I'm choosing between them, but I'm not sold on either of these guys as being our best option with a back-of-the-lotto pick.


I'm changing my pick. Assuming none of Okongwu, Halliburton, Advija and Hayes are on the board, give me Paul Reed. If he ever develops a long ball, you won't be able to keep him off the court.

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Post#180 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:43 pm

This isn't really relevant for this upcoming draft. But it was just posted by schmidt as a big time top tier developing prospect that they apparently discovered for the upcoming draft. Again, This is nothing of immenent importance, But definitely an intriguing international prospect to keep tabs on. They say he projects as a mix of Rudy Gobert and Kristaps Porzingis. Anyways.......

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He's slated for around the 2022-2023 draft. Might be cool to follow a bit for his development and potential?
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