Miami Heat Regular Season Thread Vol. Iggy

[AirP.]

Cousins? Are you #()_$)( kidding me? I just don't get this franchise I guess. A few years ago Miami goes 30-11 and instead of just thinking... wow, we're overachieving Miami goes all-in with extending that group and it screws them for a few years. This year Miami once again overachieves in the 1st half of the season, some wins by utilizing the zone more since most teams aren't ready for it and then once again expect this team to maintain overachieving. I really don't get this acceptance of overachieving and not making moves to upgrade the roster and UTILIZE that great 1st half. Other than playing in better weather I don't know why Giannis would want to go to Miami, this FO has really screwed up twice in the last few years by expecting the overachieving to continue(which is why almost everyone except the Miami FO expected this team to come back down to earth).

The FO didn't even bring in a backup defensive big, because of the lack of defensive bigs, if Bam goes out for any length of time this team is going to be bad. Maybe with everyone but Bam healthy, they can stay .500 but for some reason, no defensive big/rim protector was added to the roster. It would be just layup lines and hope Miami out shoots the other team from 3.

Miami got a gift with Butler forcing himself to Miami when they had no cap space and the FO basically said thanks and we'll wait till 2021, it just seems like they're fine wasting the last of Butler's prime.

Well I already feel like Giannis isn't coming here to begin with. That aside, who was the team interested in trading for that wouldn't have affected the cap space for that summer?

I absolutely HATE limiting the team for 2 years for "cap space". This team could have had CP3 who WILL be at or near an all-star level player his whole contract(even if it's bad), that's 2-3 all-stars for at least 3 years. Gallo was obtainable but hey... can't go into 2021. I'm sure there are others, like D.Green but no... 2021. All I can say is good luck with that while this team probably is a first-round exit the 2 years before that 2021 summer(the team could be worse next year if Riley continues to keep 2021 cap space available) and will have a 32-year-old max player on the roster to try to entice a top tier guy joining Miami... it's not looking all that good.

[AirP.]

Cousins? Are you #()_$)( kidding me? I just don't get this franchise I guess. A few years ago Miami goes 30-11 and instead of just thinking... wow, we're overachieving Miami goes all-in with extending that group and it screws them for a few years. This year Miami once again overachieves in the 1st half of the season, some wins by utilizing the zone more since most teams aren't ready for it and then once again expect this team to maintain overachieving. I really don't get this acceptance of overachieving and not making moves to upgrade the roster and UTILIZE that great 1st half. Other than playing in better weather I don't know why Giannis would want to go to Miami, this FO has really screwed up twice in the last few years by expecting the overachieving to continue(which is why almost everyone except the Miami FO expected this team to come back down to earth).

The FO didn't even bring in a backup defensive big, because of the lack of defensive bigs, if Bam goes out for any length of time this team is going to be bad. Maybe with everyone but Bam healthy, they can stay .500 but for some reason, no defensive big/rim protector was added to the roster. It would be just layup lines and hope Miami out shoots the other team from 3.

Miami got a gift with Butler forcing himself to Miami when they had no cap space and the FO basically said thanks and we'll wait till 2021, it just seems like they're fine wasting the last of Butler's prime.

I don't think the franchise is settled on this team. They are looking for another star, but one hasn't become available yet to them. I'm bit confused on your frustration, In one breath you're angry that they didn't add a defensive big to help this overachieving team continue success but in another breath you're angry that they are trying to continue running with this overachieving team?

Yeah, I'm angry at multiple things, I absolutely hate the idea of well, we won games we shouldn't have, we've overachieved better not fix this messed up roster.

The Heat are trying to sell themselves to another disgruntled star. They tried to add Paul, Westbrook or Holiday. But couldnt get those players' GM to lower their demands. Until that happens, they are observing and evaluating Herro, Nunn and Okpala development to see if it's possible they have star potential soon or to what level of role players they can provide. In the meantime everyone outside of Bam and Jimmy are trade chips for a third go-too player. If a mega star becomes available I wouldn't be surprised if Bam or Butler are not safe, just to prepare yourselves.

They could have HAD CP3 but wanted draft picks with him. They could have had Westbrook but refused to give much in assets, Holiday I don't know but Gallo... all they had to do is extend him(and possibly trade him in a year or 2) and they had him and were talking with Noel about waiving his no trade clause(don't know if he was willing to do that) to come with Gallo. This current Miami squad could have had 3 all-star level players for the next 3-4 years and all it would have taken is letting go of that 2021 cap space. Thank goodness Toronto didn't think like that by giving up one of their 2 top players to rent a player to give them a legit chance at a championship... hats off to them for having the guts to go for it.

If Butler were to be moved after forcing himself to Miami, don't expect another player to sacrifice/force themselves to get to Miami for a long, long time.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

I was against CP0 but I'm starting to come around after the fact. To think that we could've possibly got Gallo and Noel with him (plus the Iggy deal)... that's a legit contender this season and next

C - Bam/Noel
F - Gallo/Crowder/DJJ
F - Butler/Iggy/DJJ
G - DRob/Iggy
G - CP0/Nunn

Damn scary team right there even without a top 5 mega superstar

But tbf the CP0 talk was during preseason when there was really no way of knowing this team would be a few pieces away already, or that CP0 would hold up health-wise (even still, there's the very real chance CP0 could breakdown in the yoffs as that's basically been his MO). I seriously doubt anyone had those expectations going into the season. And even with this hypothetical roster you'd still have spoiled Heat fans bitching about muh whales if we came anything short of a ship

[BenoUdrihFTL]

And Presti likely still has PTSD from getting fleeced by Houston and Indiana in the Harden/PG deals, so he might be unreasonable to deal with at this point. The fact that he not only wanted to remove protection on 2023 FRP but then also add a 2025 FRP is pretty insane given Gallo is probably a rental for them. The Clippers were willing to overpay OKC but they were in quite a different position than Miami

[twix2500]

I was against CP0 but I'm starting to come around after the fact. To think that we could've possibly got Gallo and Noel with him (plus the Iggy deal)... that's a legit contender this season and next

C - Bam/Noel
F - Gallo/Crowder/DJJ
F - Butler/Iggy/DJJ
G - DRob/Iggy
G - CP0/Nunn

Damn scary team right there even without a top 5 mega superstar

But tbf the CP0 talk was during preseason when there was really no way of knowing this team would be a few pieces away already, or that CP0 would hold up health-wise (even still, there's the very real chance CP0 could breakdown in the yoffs as that's basically been his MO). I seriously doubt anyone had those expectations going into the season. And even with this hypothetical roster you'd still have spoiled Heat fans bitching about muh whales if we came anything short of a ship

I dont think the Heat would of gotten all of that if they gave the Thunder what they wanted. I believe the Thunder wanted two young players (Winslow and another) and draft pick for Paul. Doubt Galli would been involved. I think it was something like Fillers, Leonard, Winslow, Herro, release the conditional pick that they have. Heat would of been drained a lot from making a secondary move.

[Rock Hardy]

If Boogie is getting waived, he should be willing to take a vet min, ring chaser deal, no? That's unless he really needs the money. He should still get hit $3.5M this season, unless he expects to get more on a playoff contract. I think it's definitely worth a look at that asking price, and even more worthwhile if Pat can convince him to stick around for what should be a better team in a couple of seasons. A Bam-Boogie backcourt sounds nice to me, in theory. Even better if we can apply some Heat conditioning to that situation.

[JLop]

It almost seems as if people are sabotaging our plans for 2021. On the one hand, you have those who request to trade for CP3 (whom no team wants), on the other hand, you have those who demand to sign DeMarcus Cousins ​​(who cannot play this season and has been excluded from a team who thinks JaVale McGee and Rajon Rondo are better players). The same people wanted to trade Kendrick Nunn and our draft picks for a two-month rental (Danilo Gallinari). I wonder if they are Heat fans or just pretend to be Heat fans with hidden agendas.

[Dr_Heat]

^^^^^^ ooof

[AirP.]

I was against CP0 but I'm starting to come around after the fact. To think that we could've possibly got Gallo and Noel with him (plus the Iggy deal)... that's a legit contender this season and next

C - Bam/Noel
F - Gallo/Crowder/DJJ
F - Butler/Iggy/DJJ
G - DRob/Iggy
G - CP0/Nunn

Damn scary team right there even without a top 5 mega superstar

But tbf the CP0 talk was during preseason when there was really no way of knowing this team would be a few pieces away already, or that CP0 would hold up health-wise (even still, there's the very real chance CP0 could breakdown in the yoffs as that's basically been his MO). I seriously doubt anyone had those expectations going into the season. And even with this hypothetical roster you'd still have spoiled Heat fans bitching about muh whales if we came anything short of a ship

Going into the season, the team was at least solid and it had Butler, that's an above .500 team, adding CP3 would have made the team a 50+ team even without Bam or others breaking out. The lack of moves just makes me think Butler was added because he was an upgrade and guy to get this franchise back to its old ways of preparing for games, not to actually compete for a title.

I believe Crowder was part of the package that would have went to OKC in the trade for Gallo.

Now Miami has to put all it's hope into Herro and Nunn to be the scorers since Riley refused to let go of that cap space in 2021(which may look really odd after Giannis takes the max this summer). Butler can grind out scores in the playoffs but Miami doesn't have enough defense to make that viable, Miami's going to have to have a couple of players each night put up big points which they can, just not consistantly enough to win in the playoffs.

[Pure_Basketball]

This coming offseason, what would you pay Andre Drummond? Pretend that we were interested in him, what's the very maximum you would give him that'd take his contract past next offseason. I know Drummond gets a lot of hate, but he IS a good player, he just needs to be in the right situation and Detroit/Cavs arent it.

10m/15m a year?

[puppa bear]

This coming offseason, what would you pay Andre Drummond? Pretend that we were interested in him, what's the very maximum you would give him that'd take his contract past next offseason. I know Drummond gets a lot of hate, but he IS a good player, he just needs to be in the right situation and Detroit/Cavs arent it.

10m/15m a year?

I just wouldn’t - he doesn’t fit here. He fits better next to Love than Bam.

If you could get him onto a team with a spacing PF then he’s worth $20m.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

I imagine there's zero chance Drumbo doesn't opt in to his $29 mil next season

[al bondiga]

I think someone like cousins almost surely wants one of two things as motivation: money or contender right now... we only have the third best thing... City ( weather, tax, lifestyle, etc)

[twix2500]

Who's a better player Gallinari or Cousins? #BattleofTheBadBodyInjuryProneBigs

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[TMIMITW]

Any news on whats up with Jimmy?

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[twix2500]

Justise Winslow trying to blend in with the team last night as if no one will notice lol

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[MartyConlonJr]

Checked it out and Duncan Robinson is the all time highest 3 point maker per minute in league history (removing guys that played very little. I set it at 50 games played)

http://bkref.com/tiny/ImBVq

Troy Daniels is second, Steph Curry third.

[Hallstar]

This coming offseason, what would you pay Andre Drummond? Pretend that we were interested in him, what's the very maximum you would give him that'd take his contract past next offseason. I know Drummond gets a lot of hate, but he IS a good player, he just needs to be in the right situation and Detroit/Cavs arent it.

10m/15m a year?

If we didn't play Bam next to Hassan, would be crazy to bring in Drummond

[Cmon_Son-_-]

Watching this Dwade doc and them talking about that 2016 off season brings me back to how toxic this board got at that time. Good times lol

[twix2500]

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