Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason!

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I don’t know how true that Embiid report is but it goes to show you the difficulty of building around a big man even if that big man is a very high end player. Contrast that to what the Knicks did past off-season and what we always try to do: Build around severely flawed bigs. A guaranteed recipe for failure.

Embiid is not severely flawed. The problem is their other best player is a complete non shooter and their 3rd or 4th best player should be a center as well. Sixers marginalized both Ben and Embiid by putting them together and then adding Horford on top of that.

The only reason you should have pause trading for Embiid is if you're truly scared of his medicals. He's a top 5 player in the league when healthy don't get it twisted.

It's easy to build around Embiid. The Sixers fuqqed it up, but still have overwhelming talent. Goes to show good Embiid actually is TBH.

No I think you misunderstood what I said. I said even with a great big like Embiid, it is difficult to make it work when you build around big men. Then I mentioned how crazy we have been trying to build around big men way far away from the quality of Embiid. It is insane.

And no I don’t think it is easy at all to build around Embiid and it shows. Of course he will win you 50+ games but there hasn’t been a championship team build around a big man since Shaq.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

I think you have to give it real consideration.
The thing would be having doctors upon doctors upon experts upon experts thoroughly examined his medicals (foot) and give me an expected shelf life.

He’s special and if healthy he’s only going to get better.
We’d definitely need a coach to shake some of the goofiness off. And a team that compliments his temperament on the court and off. He’d need the Derek Fisher or Rick Fox types that know how to keep him engaged and thinking team.

I’d take him over Towns any day, all things health wise being equal. But of course the health will factor.

[BKlutch]

Anybody think Cousins will wind up somewhere if his knee works again?

[moocow007]

Anybody think Cousins will wind up somewhere if his knee works again?

I think the days of prime Cousins is over. And prime Cousins was one of the biggest reasons teams were willing to overlook everything else about him. Without being prime Cousins he'd probably be relegated to the same role as Dwight Howard has rolled into. A ring chaser that will have to take less money and lesser roles to keep playing in this league. If he recovers someone will be interested. The Knicks? I mean it depends right? If the plan is to go "traditional" rebuild then no, no need at all. If the plan is to do something to try to show prospective big name FA's in 2021 and 2022 that the Knicks are worth a consideration then maybe. But it has to be really well thought out and Cousins has to be willing to accept his role but not dog it because of having to accept it.

Won't be this season though obviously or the Lakers wouldn't be waiving him.

[TBri1974]

I could see Cousins landing here as a reclamation project. I partially expect us to bring in Drummond or Wiseman and trade Mitch - although I would rather we didn't. I like the article that says we go for FVV and Wood at reasonable rates (think 20 and 10), make Randle the 6th man, and see where we draft. Waive Payton, Ellington and Portis, resign Dotson and Trier for 5 and 4 a year annually.

Mitch/Randle/Gibson
Wood/Randle
RJ/Knox/Bullock
Dotson/RJ/Trier/Bullock
FVV/Frank/Smith

[BKlutch]

Anybody think Cousins will wind up somewhere if his knee works again?

I think the days of prime Cousins is over. And prime Cousins was one of the biggest reasons teams were willing to overlook everything else about him. Without being prime Cousins he'd probably be relegated to the same role as Dwight Howard has rolled into. A ring chaser that will have to take less money and lesser roles to keep playing in this league. If he recovers someone will be interested. The Knicks? I mean it depends right? If the plan is to go "traditional" rebuild then no, no need at all. If the plan is to do something to try to show prospective big name FA's in 2021 and 2022 that the Knicks are worth a consideration then maybe. But it has to be really well thought out and Cousins has to be willing to accept his role but not dog it because of having to accept it.

Won't be this season though obviously or the Lakers wouldn't be waiving him.

Cousins may still have something to contribute physically when he recovers, and a rental piece for a year when we need a backup big for Mitch isn't inconceivable. If he is able to contribute physically, the only concern I'd have is that he can be a negative influence on a team that is still developing its identity -- which is what I expect us to be with another draft pick or two and a trade or FA.

[BKlutch]

I could see Cousins landing here as a reclamation project. I partially expect us to bring in Drummond or Wiseman and trade Mitch - although I would rather we didn't. I like the article that says we go for FVV and Wood at reasonable rates (think 20 and 10), make Randle the 6th man, and see where we draft. Waive Payton, Ellington and Portis, resign Dotson and Trier for 5 and 4 a year annually.

Mitch/Randle/Gibson
Wood/Randle
RJ/Knox/Bullock
Dotson/RJ/Trier/Bullock
FVV/Frank/Smith

I'm not certain about trading Mitch, although I understand he hasn't shown the progress this year we'd hoped. But he is still young and has some great stretches of play I like FVV if his cost is reasonable and agree we should waive Payton, Ellington, and Portis. I like Dot but really can't figure out what's with Trier. He should be a great instant offense shooter, but instead, he seems to struggle and unsettles the offense.

[Richard4444]

Free agency picture

1) Near impossible dreams: AD and Ingram

2) Difficult targets (RFA): Bogdan, Malik, Boucher and Melton - Current teams will match any reasonable offer. Possibly overpay situation or sign and trade deals.

3) Best Young Targets (UFA): FVV, Bertans, Grant (assuming opting out), Wood, Joe Harris, Montrezl Harrell, Korkmaz, Derrick Jones Jr, Pat Conaughton, Josh Jackson, RHJ, Noel, Giles, Mudlay, Willy.

4) Opting out possibilities: Drummond (if he opts out), DeRozan (If he opts out), Otto (if he opts out), Fournier (if he opts out)

5) Vet Options for win now teams (UFA): Morris, Milsap, Galo, Gasol, Dragic, Favors, Crowder, Clarkson, Ibaka, Whiteside, Bazemore, Tristan, Baynes, Carmelo, Cousins, Howard, Marv Williams, Carroll, MKG, Reggie Jackson, Teague, Byombo, Harkless, Mason.

6) Other Targets (RFA): Dunn, Saric, Poetl, Dotson, Dort, Craig, Valentine, Frank Jacson, Trier, MCLaugling, Tacko Fall, Thon Maker

[newyorker4ever]

[HarthorneWingo]

I could see Cousins landing here as a reclamation project. I partially expect us to bring in Drummond or Wiseman and trade Mitch - although I would rather we didn't. I like the article that says we go for FVV and Wood at reasonable rates (think 20 and 10), make Randle the 6th man, and see where we draft. Waive Payton, Ellington and Portis, resign Dotson and Trier for 5 and 4 a year annually.

Mitch/Randle/Gibson
Wood/Randle
RJ/Knox/Bullock
Dotson/RJ/Trier/Bullock
FVV/Frank/Smith

I'm not certain about trading Mitch, although I understand he hasn't shown the progress this year we'd hoped. But he is still young and has some great stretches of play I like FVV if his cost is reasonable and agree we should waive Payton, Ellington, and Portis. I like Dot but really can't figure out what's with Trier. He should be a great instant offense shooter, but instead, he seems to struggle and unsettles the offense.

Then send him down to the G League or, better yet, need to waive Bullock and Ellington so that we can play Dotson and Trier.

[HarthorneWingo]

Free agency picture

1) Near impossible dreams: AD and Ingram

2) Difficult targets (RFA): Bogdan, Malik, Boucher and Melton - Current teams will match any reasonable offer. Possibly overpay situation or sign and trade deals.

3) Best Young Targets (UFA): FVV, Bertans, Grant (assuming opting out), Wood, Joe Harris, Montrezl Harrell, Korkmaz, Derrick Jones Jr, Pat Conaughton, Josh Jackson, RHJ, Noel, Giles, Mudlay, Willy.

4) Opting out possibilities: Drummond (if he opts out), DeRozan (If he opts out), Otto (if he opts out), Fournier (if he opts out)

5) Vet Options for win now teams (UFA): Morris, Milsap, Galo, Gasol, Dragic, Favors, Crowder, Clarkson, Ibaka, Whiteside, Bazemore, Tristan, Baynes, Carmelo, Cousins, Howard, Marv Williams, Carroll, MKG, Reggie Jackson, Teague, Byombo, Harkless, Mason.

6) Other Targets (RFA): Dunn, Saric, Poetl, Dotson, Dort, Craig, Valentine, Frank Jacson, Trier, MCLaugling, Tacko Fall, Thon Maker

We also have to see how we'd like to match up these pieces. We'll probably have to overpay for a RFA that we target and hope he plays up to the contract. The UFA in '20 and '21 are very underwhelming (mostly based on age and salary demands) and probably won't come here anyway.

IMO we really have to scour the G League and many of these young players you listed that could developing into something nice. Thing about where the 80s/90s Knicks would've been without John Starks and Anthony Mason.

[TBri1974]

I could see Cousins landing here as a reclamation project. I partially expect us to bring in Drummond or Wiseman and trade Mitch - although I would rather we didn't. I like the article that says we go for FVV and Wood at reasonable rates (think 20 and 10), make Randle the 6th man, and see where we draft. Waive Payton, Ellington and Portis, resign Dotson and Trier for 5 and 4 a year annually.

Mitch/Randle/Gibson
Wood/Randle
RJ/Knox/Bullock
Dotson/RJ/Trier/Bullock
FVV/Frank/Smith

I'm not certain about trading Mitch, although I understand he hasn't shown the progress this year we'd hoped. But he is still young and has some great stretches of play I like FVV if his cost is reasonable and agree we should waive Payton, Ellington, and Portis. I like Dot but really can't figure out what's with Trier. He should be a great instant offense shooter, but instead, he seems to struggle and unsettles the offense.

I agree 100% about Mitch. I am not saying I want to see him traded, only that if we land Drummond or Wiseman I think the front office may trade him. I think Mitch is one of the most exciting young bigs out there and should be starting for us.

[aq_ua]

Free agency picture

1) Near impossible dreams: AD and Ingram

2) Difficult targets (RFA): Bogdan, Malik, Boucher and Melton - Current teams will match any reasonable offer. Possibly overpay situation or sign and trade deals.

3) Best Young Targets (UFA): FVV, Bertans, Grant (assuming opting out), Wood, Joe Harris, Montrezl Harrell, Korkmaz, Derrick Jones Jr, Pat Conaughton, Josh Jackson, RHJ, Noel, Giles, Mudlay, Willy.

4) Opting out possibilities: Drummond (if he opts out), DeRozan (If he opts out), Otto (if he opts out), Fournier (if he opts out)

5) Vet Options for win now teams (UFA): Morris, Milsap, Galo, Gasol, Dragic, Favors, Crowder, Clarkson, Ibaka, Whiteside, Bazemore, Tristan, Baynes, Carmelo, Cousins, Howard, Marv Williams, Carroll, MKG, Reggie Jackson, Teague, Byombo, Harkless, Mason.

6) Other Targets (RFA): Dunn, Saric, Poetl, Dotson, Dort, Craig, Valentine, Frank Jacson, Trier, MCLaugling, Tacko Fall, Thon Maker

We also have to see how we'd like to match up these pieces. We'll probably have to overpay for a RFA that we target and hope he plays up to the contract. The UFA in '20 and '21 are very underwhelming (mostly based on age and salary demands) and probably won't come here anyway.

IMO we really have to scour the G League and many of these young players you listed that could developing into something nice. Thing about where the 80s/90s Knicks would've been without John Starks and Anthony Mason.

It's been mentioned before, but I think Hield will be a viable trade target this offseason. It will cost us a first round pick of course, but Bogdan will likely sign a large contract and start, which means Hield will likely request a move.

RJ / Hield / Frank is a nice young backcourt / swing combination. There's also a very nice correlation between three point contest champions and long-term success in the NBA.

[HarthorneWingo]

Free agency picture

1) Near impossible dreams: AD and Ingram

2) Difficult targets (RFA): Bogdan, Malik, Boucher and Melton - Current teams will match any reasonable offer. Possibly overpay situation or sign and trade deals.

3) Best Young Targets (UFA): FVV, Bertans, Grant (assuming opting out), Wood, Joe Harris, Montrezl Harrell, Korkmaz, Derrick Jones Jr, Pat Conaughton, Josh Jackson, RHJ, Noel, Giles, Mudlay, Willy.

4) Opting out possibilities: Drummond (if he opts out), DeRozan (If he opts out), Otto (if he opts out), Fournier (if he opts out)

5) Vet Options for win now teams (UFA): Morris, Milsap, Galo, Gasol, Dragic, Favors, Crowder, Clarkson, Ibaka, Whiteside, Bazemore, Tristan, Baynes, Carmelo, Cousins, Howard, Marv Williams, Carroll, MKG, Reggie Jackson, Teague, Byombo, Harkless, Mason.

6) Other Targets (RFA): Dunn, Saric, Poetl, Dotson, Dort, Craig, Valentine, Frank Jacson, Trier, MCLaugling, Tacko Fall, Thon Maker

We also have to see how we'd like to match up these pieces. We'll probably have to overpay for a RFA that we target and hope he plays up to the contract. The UFA in '20 and '21 are very underwhelming (mostly based on age and salary demands) and probably won't come here anyway.

IMO we really have to scour the G League and many of these young players you listed that could developing into something nice. Thing about where the 80s/90s Knicks would've been without John Starks and Anthony Mason.

It's been mentioned before, but I think Hield will be a viable trade target this offseason. It will cost us a first round pick of course, but Bogdan will likely sign a large contract and start, which means Hield will likely request a move.

RJ / Hield / Frank is a nice young backcourt / swing combination. There's also a very nice correlation between three point contest champions and long-term success in the NBA.

I’d like that. That is a deal we should explore.

[HarthorneWingo]

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[Richard4444]

We also have to see how we'd like to match up these pieces. We'll probably have to overpay for a RFA that we target and hope he plays up to the contract. The UFA in '20 and '21 are very underwhelming (mostly based on age and salary demands) and probably won't come here anyway.

IMO we really have to scour the G League and many of these young players you listed that could developing into something nice. Thing about where the 80s/90s Knicks would've been without John Starks and Anthony Mason.

It's been mentioned before, but I think Hield will be a viable trade target this offseason. It will cost us a first round pick of course, but Bogdan will likely sign a large contract and start, which means Hield will likely request a move.

RJ / Hield / Frank is a nice young backcourt / swing combination. There's also a very nice correlation between three point contest champions and long-term success in the NBA.

I’d like that. That is a deal we should explore.

I would not trade this year FRP for Buddy and I like him. We need good players in rookie deals before making trades. It is important not to rush things and develop some young blood in cheap deals first.

And I dont know if Buddy or Kings would be interested in a trade. Bogdan could also play PG or SF. They can easily play together. Both can play 30 minutes each game.

[spree2kawhi]

We also have to see how we'd like to match up these pieces. We'll probably have to overpay for a RFA that we target and hope he plays up to the contract. The UFA in '20 and '21 are very underwhelming (mostly based on age and salary demands) and probably won't come here anyway.

IMO we really have to scour the G League and many of these young players you listed that could developing into something nice. Thing about where the 80s/90s Knicks would've been without John Starks and Anthony Mason.

It's been mentioned before, but I think Hield will be a viable trade target this offseason. It will cost us a first round pick of course, but Bogdan will likely sign a large contract and start, which means Hield will likely request a move.

RJ / Hield / Frank is a nice young backcourt / swing combination. There's also a very nice correlation between three point contest champions and long-term success in the NBA.

I’d like that. That is a deal we should explore.

This is absolutely the way to go. Keep Frank around and draft another lead guard. With those four we suddenly look damn good.

[spree2kawhi]

Free agency picture

1) Near impossible dreams: AD and Ingram

2) Difficult targets (RFA): Bogdan, Malik, Boucher and Melton - Current teams will match any reasonable offer. Possibly overpay situation or sign and trade deals.

3) Best Young Targets (UFA): FVV, Bertans, Grant (assuming opting out), Wood, Joe Harris, Montrezl Harrell, Korkmaz, Derrick Jones Jr, Pat Conaughton, Josh Jackson, RHJ, Noel, Giles, Mudlay, Willy.

4) Opting out possibilities: Drummond (if he opts out), DeRozan (If he opts out), Otto (if he opts out), Fournier (if he opts out)

5) Vet Options for win now teams (UFA): Morris, Milsap, Galo, Gasol, Dragic, Favors, Crowder, Clarkson, Ibaka, Whiteside, Bazemore, Tristan, Baynes, Carmelo, Cousins, Howard, Marv Williams, Carroll, MKG, Reggie Jackson, Teague, Byombo, Harkless, Mason.

6) Other Targets (RFA): Dunn, Saric, Poetl, Dotson, Dort, Craig, Valentine, Frank Jacson, Trier, MCLaugling, Tacko Fall, Thon Maker

You mention Grant, he should be one of our top priorities. I have mixed feelings about FVV, but I like him too. So ideally sign FVV+J. Grant, maybe trade for Hield, keep Frank, RJ, Mitch, see what you can get in the draft. Tadaa!

[YungKnicks]

I have no faith in the Knicks picking up young talent... they have sucked for years in doing it... even if get someone, instead of spending time developing them and giving them playing time.. we give up on them so fast, we always end up trading or releasing them in like 1 to 2 years...

I have stated I wish the Knicks would pick up guys that were available like... Christian Woods for 3 years now, Naz Reid was another one within our reach, the Kid is from NJ, right in our backyard, is going to go to another level soon... Kevin Porter is another one. Svi in Detroit, Marquese Chriss floating around as a Free Agent,
Anfernee Simons was there for us to pick up, De'Anthony Melton also, Tacko Fall and Bol Bol (still a fan) were within reach, Jalen Lecque, another young local guy available .....even Rondae Hollis-Jefferson...25 yrs, was available for us to pick up... who would have easily been one of our top 2 wing defenders.... point is I have no faith in our scouting department...
We have young players like Trier and Dotson, who can get buckets and shot, and would grow defensively... that have higher ceilings compare to a Ellington but we give no playing time to them. This doesn't make any sense for a lottery bottom of the barrel NBA team. Right now Trier, Dotson etc.. should be playing 32+ minutes a night. Those two would be scoring 15+ ppg every single night. Developing their games on the court. Increasing their asset value, potentially even for trades. NY is the dumbest organization in basketball, period. SMH

My Up Next List (UFA, RFA):
Malik Beasley RFA
Christian Wood UFA
Nerlens Noel UFA
Jordan Clarkson UFA
De'Anthony Melton RFA
Derrick Jones Jr. UFA
Juan Hernangomez UFA
Thon Maker RFA
Harry Giles UFA
Furkan Korkmaz RFA (I believe)
Damyean Dotson RFA, our own
Allonzo Trier RFA, our own
Glenn Robinson III UFA
Bryn Forbes UFA
Noah Vonleh UFA
Wenyen Gabriel RFA
Chris Boucher RFA
Josh Jackson UFA

Of course.... Fred VanVleet, Bogdan Bogdanovic, Joe Harris, Davis Bertans, Harrell etc...

[Clyde_Style]

Anybody think Cousins will wind up somewhere if his knee works again?

Yeah, walking a rotweiler at the dog park and getting into an argument with Wingo