Miami Heat Regular Season Thread Vol. Iggy

[KingDavid]

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Lol I don't feel sorry for him, he signed that extension.

[Hallstar]

Still no to Chris Paul, that's a wreck waiting to happen

[Dr_Heat]

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[TMIMITW]

Jimmy wanted an extended all star break so since tre dropped 50 and our defense sucked... he felt the team needed practice without him so he will be back after two intense practices (The CAVS) lol

[eddieheatfan]

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i'm very intrigued as to what might be preventing him from playing.usually when a player cites absences for personal reasons.it means that,it could be for a family event (son/daughter being born,dead relative) or sometimes it means the player might be disgruntled for some reason....hope his absence is because some positive event than a negative one

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Looking at current EC standings... I kinda like the idea of finishing 4th to get that 4/5 bracket since I think we matchup better vs PHI/MIL than BOS/TOR/IND. It's absolutely imperative that we get HCA vs Philly in the 1st tho

[KingDavid]

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Ira don't know ****. **** that ****.

Wake me up when a real reporter has news.

[twix2500]

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Ira don't know ****. **** that ****.

Wake me up when a real reporter has news.

IRA knows he just not gonna tell you.

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[gom]

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As long as we are healthy for the playoffs losing these games really doesn't matter

If you want to get to the 2nd round you better hope Miami doesn't lose enough games to not have home-court advantage in the 1st round.

I absolutely hated that Riley punted the rest of the season instead of capitalizing on a great first half.

Maybe Riley was right to punt. What if the whole point of the trade was dumping the salary? Pat knows these guys and their abilities more than we do. We see the limitation now, but I doubt if he is too surprised.

We need to consider the goal:

(1) win a championship (but not this season)
(2) home court advantage (this season). This does not look great right now. The pieces we received in exchange (Crowder, Hill, and Iguodala) have not been decisive. It's not a huge surprise.
(3) Bam is an all-star. This is a big deal.
(4) development:

(a) Nunn was basically a free FRP. He's not a young player (24), but he's been a great surprise.
(b) Herro is a huge surprise. We drafted very well. We also have Okpala who looked interesting in short minutes.
(c) Duncan Robinson has stepped forward too. We know he isn't a complete player, but he shoots very well.
(d) Chris Silva may be more too.

It's not been a bad season, but if Pat looked at the mess we are and decided it's not worth raising the stakes, he is probably right.

[AirP.]

Linking from the game thread to discuss the idea better:

As long as we are healthy for the playoffs losing these games really doesn't matter

If you want to get to the 2nd round you better hope Miami doesn't lose enough games to not have home-court advantage in the 1st round.

I absolutely hated that Riley punted the rest of the season instead of capitalizing on a great first half.

Maybe Riley was right to punt. What if the whole point of the trade was dumping the salary? Pat knows these guys and their abilities more than we do. We see the limitation now, but I doubt if he is too surprised.

We need to consider the goal:

(1) win a championship (but not this season)
(2) home court advantage (this season). This does not look great right now. The pieces we received in exchange (Crowder, Hill, and Iguodala) have not been decisive. It's not a huge surprise.
(3) Bam is an all-star. This is a big deal.
(4) development:

(a) Nunn was basically a free FRP. He's not a young player (24), but he's been a great surprise.
(b) Herro is a huge surprise. We drafted very well. We also have Okpala who looked interesting in short minutes.
(c) Duncan Robinson has stepped forward too. We know he isn't a complete player, but he shoots very well.
(d) Chris Silva may be more too.

It's not been a bad season, but if Pat looked at the mess we are and decided it's not worth raising the stakes, he is probably right.

1. I"m not saying it was a bad season but when you have a first half of the season like Miami did with a 30 year old max player you just traded a younger player for, maybe... just maybe you capitalize on that. Had this team made certain moves... like CP3 before the season and/or Gallo and possibly Noel this team could have had a legit chance to get to the finals but of course, my 2021 cap space, why actually take a shot at getting out of the east now when you can sell the fanbase on hope for the future. The big 3 conspired to join up, that's not happening again. Miami got a gift in Butler FORCING his way to a team without cap space and what does Riley do, really nothing.

2. Yes, the home/away, the team is relying on too many younger players to really expect much more, another reason I wanted another vet scorer added to the team to even that out. Hi CP3 or Gallo from #1.

3. Guess what, Bam was going to be good so I don't understand this all-star thing being highlighted. Miami has 2 all-stars this season, could have went into the season with THREE all-star level players (Butler, Bam, CP3) but once again Miami's 2021 cap space.

4. Development? D.Robinson's development was getting stronger in the OFFSEASON. Nunn is what he is which is a scorer which Miami knew which is why they gave him a 3 year contract last year. Herro was a surprise till summer league. Silva, he's an energy player who fouls alot. All of these players were expected to do well(including Bam), they just weren't proven in games where fans could see the progress, the coaching staff and FO knew. Game 1 Herro(Butler out), Nunn and Bam were all starting. Game FIVE D.Robinson was starting and minus 1 game, started all the rest. THE FRONT OFFICE KNEW WHAT THEY HAD to a certain degree.

I just don't get the trading of 2021 assets like 1st round pick and Richardson for Butler if 2021 was this damn important to not add very good to great players to the team for basically cap space. You can make trades, you can get off contracts, there will be more first round picks available to trade in 2 years. I'm just completely confused about why Miami did what they did this summer then refused to keep getting better for nothing but cap space.

Miami wanting Bradley Beal who's under contract for a few years? That sounds like a player OKC would love to add with their current team and have the assets to out bid Miami by a good bit. Giannis? Why would he leave a team being built around him and performing for Miami who is fading greatly and will have a 32 year old max player eating up a lot of the cap? It just doesn't make sense to me.

[twix2500]

Linking from the game thread to discuss the idea better:

If you want to get to the 2nd round you better hope Miami doesn't lose enough games to not have home-court advantage in the 1st round.

I absolutely hated that Riley punted the rest of the season instead of capitalizing on a great first half.

Maybe Riley was right to punt. What if the whole point of the trade was dumping the salary? Pat knows these guys and their abilities more than we do. We see the limitation now, but I doubt if he is too surprised.

We need to consider the goal:

(1) win a championship (but not this season)
(2) home court advantage (this season). This does not look great right now. The pieces we received in exchange (Crowder, Hill, and Iguodala) have not been decisive. It's not a huge surprise.
(3) Bam is an all-star. This is a big deal.
(4) development:

(a) Nunn was basically a free FRP. He's not a young player (24), but he's been a great surprise.
(b) Herro is a huge surprise. We drafted very well. We also have Okpala who looked interesting in short minutes.
(c) Duncan Robinson has stepped forward too. We know he isn't a complete player, but he shoots very well.
(d) Chris Silva may be more too.

It's not been a bad season, but if Pat looked at the mess we are and decided it's not worth raising the stakes, he is probably right.

1. I"m not saying it was a bad season but when you have a first half of the season like Miami did with a 30 year old max player you just traded a younger player for, maybe... just maybe you capitalize on that. Had this team made certain moves... like CP3 before the season and/or Gallo and possibly Noel this team could have had a legit chance to get to the finals but of course, my 2021 cap space, why actually take a shot at getting out of the east now when you can sell the fanbase on hope for the future. The big 3 conspired to join up, that's not happening again. Miami got a gift in Butler FORCING his way to a team without cap space and what does Riley do, really nothing.

2. Yes, the home/away, the team is relying on too many younger players to really expect much more, another reason I wanted another vet scorer added to the team to even that out. Hi CP3 or Gallo from #1.

3. Guess what, Bam was going to be good so I don't understand this all-star thing being highlighted. Miami has 2 all-stars this season, could have went into the season with THREE all-star level players (Butler, Bam, CP3) but once again Miami's 2021 cap space.

4. Development? D.Robinson's development was getting stronger in the OFFSEASON. Nunn is what he is which is a scorer which Miami knew which is why they gave him a 3 year contract last year. Herro was a surprise till summer league. Silva, he's an energy player who fouls alot. All of these players were expected to do well(including Bam), they just weren't proven in games where fans could see the progress, the coaching staff and FO knew. Game 1 Herro(Butler out), Nunn and Bam were all starting. Game FIVE D.Robinson was starting and minus 1 game, started all the rest. THE FRONT OFFICE KNEW WHAT THEY HAD to a certain degree.

I just don't get the trading of 2021 assets like 1st round pick and Richardson for Butler if 2021 was this damn important to not add very good to great players to the team for basically cap space. You can make trades, you can get off contracts, there will be more first round picks available to trade in 2 years. I'm just completely confused about why Miami did what they did this summer then refused to keep getting better for nothing but cap space.

Miami wanting Bradley Beal who's under contract for a few years? That sounds like a player OKC would love to add with their current team and have the assets to out bid Miami by a good bit. Giannis? Why would he leave a team being built around him and performing for Miami who is fading greatly and will have a 32 year old max player eating up a lot of the cap? It just doesn't make sense to me.

I get what you are saying AirP. There are a lot of different opinions on the impact that Westbrook, Paul or Gallinari would of had. Also, Westbrook I wasn't a big fan of but I get it. I think that failed because Thunder didn't like none of what the Heat could offer. Chris Paul I think was very close to becoming a Heat as a Rocket if Thunder didn't bid on him. Then I think there was some tough negotiations between Heat and Thunder that was just again just too far apart from agreememt.

Gallinari, is not in the class of Paul and Westbrook. Hes a good role player, however you dont sacrifice your plans for adding a star for a role player. He would of made the heat more competitive but I dont think he would of pushed the heat over the top. I think the heat had to make a judgment call. Was it worth losing trade chips and sign him long term or sign him long term this summer and keep the trade chips. Also build a relationship with Crowder to resign him.

The Heat knows what Gallinari wants and will likely do so and trade for a third star this summer. I think the Heat may revisit Paul option. If Gallinari is in agreement for this summer, then the Heat will be in better position to throw the kitchen sink for Derozan and Beal or some other star.

I think the wait for 2021 narrative has been overstated here in this group. The heat are not waiting for 2021. They gonna try to add a go too player before that.

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[TMIMITW]

I was going to talk about my depression after we loose a game like that but airp made a good point. I like our direction.... i want us to grab boogie.... and wait on beal to force out of Washington. I dont see gianis or AD leaving

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[AirP.]

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Linking from the game thread to discuss the idea better:



Maybe Riley was right to punt. What if the whole point of the trade was dumping the salary? Pat knows these guys and their abilities more than we do. We see the limitation now, but I doubt if he is too surprised.

We need to consider the goal:

(1) win a championship (but not this season)
(2) home court advantage (this season). This does not look great right now. The pieces we received in exchange (Crowder, Hill, and Iguodala) have not been decisive. It's not a huge surprise.
(3) Bam is an all-star. This is a big deal.
(4) development:

(a) Nunn was basically a free FRP. He's not a young player (24), but he's been a great surprise.
(b) Herro is a huge surprise. We drafted very well. We also have Okpala who looked interesting in short minutes.
(c) Duncan Robinson has stepped forward too. We know he isn't a complete player, but he shoots very well.
(d) Chris Silva may be more too.

It's not been a bad season, but if Pat looked at the mess we are and decided it's not worth raising the stakes, he is probably right.

1. I"m not saying it was a bad season but when you have a first half of the season like Miami did with a 30 year old max player you just traded a younger player for, maybe... just maybe you capitalize on that. Had this team made certain moves... like CP3 before the season and/or Gallo and possibly Noel this team could have had a legit chance to get to the finals but of course, my 2021 cap space, why actually take a shot at getting out of the east now when you can sell the fanbase on hope for the future. The big 3 conspired to join up, that's not happening again. Miami got a gift in Butler FORCING his way to a team without cap space and what does Riley do, really nothing.

2. Yes, the home/away, the team is relying on too many younger players to really expect much more, another reason I wanted another vet scorer added to the team to even that out. Hi CP3 or Gallo from #1.

3. Guess what, Bam was going to be good so I don't understand this all-star thing being highlighted. Miami has 2 all-stars this season, could have went into the season with THREE all-star level players (Butler, Bam, CP3) but once again Miami's 2021 cap space.

4. Development? D.Robinson's development was getting stronger in the OFFSEASON. Nunn is what he is which is a scorer which Miami knew which is why they gave him a 3 year contract last year. Herro was a surprise till summer league. Silva, he's an energy player who fouls alot. All of these players were expected to do well(including Bam), they just weren't proven in games where fans could see the progress, the coaching staff and FO knew. Game 1 Herro(Butler out), Nunn and Bam were all starting. Game FIVE D.Robinson was starting and minus 1 game, started all the rest. THE FRONT OFFICE KNEW WHAT THEY HAD to a certain degree.

I just don't get the trading of 2021 assets like 1st round pick and Richardson for Butler if 2021 was this damn important to not add very good to great players to the team for basically cap space. You can make trades, you can get off contracts, there will be more first round picks available to trade in 2 years. I'm just completely confused about why Miami did what they did this summer then refused to keep getting better for nothing but cap space.

Miami wanting Bradley Beal who's under contract for a few years? That sounds like a player OKC would love to add with their current team and have the assets to out bid Miami by a good bit. Giannis? Why would he leave a team being built around him and performing for Miami who is fading greatly and will have a 32 year old max player eating up a lot of the cap? It just doesn't make sense to me.

I get what you are saying AirP. There are a lot of different opinions on the impact that Westbrook, Paul or Gallinari would of had. Also, Westbrook I wasn't a big fan of but I get it. I think that failed because Thunder didn't like none of what the Heat could offer. Chris Paul I think was very close to becoming a Heat as a Rocket if Thunder didn't bid on him. Then I think there was some tough negotiations between Heat and Thunder that was just again just too far apart from agreememt.

Gallinari, is not in the class of Paul and Westbrook. Hes a good role player, however you dont sacrifice your plans for adding a star for a role player. He would of made the heat more competitive but I dont think he would of pushed the heat over the top. I think the heat had to make a judgment call. Was it worth losing trade chips and sign him long term or sign him long term this summer and keep the trade chips. Also build a relationship with Crowder to resign him.

The Heat knows what Gallinari wants and will likely do so and trade for a third star this summer. I think the Heat may revisit Paul option. If Gallinari is in agreement for this summer, then the Heat will be in better position to throw the kitchen sink for Derozan and Beal or some other star.

I think the wait for 2021 narrative has been overstated here in this group. The heat are not waiting for 2021. They gonna try to add a go too player before that.

I wasn't all that interested in Westbrook except was open to it since hearing that Spo has wanted him for years and had schemed what he'd do with him in previous seasons, maybe he wanted to surround him with 3pt shooters and have him attacking the rim because they didn't do that in OKC.

Miami could have had CP3 or/and Gallo if they would have went into 2021 cap space. In the CP3 Miami wanted their draft picks back and without proven players, OKC valued those draft picks higher than Miami(asset wise) and gambled Miami wouldn't be all that good to lower the draft pick's values. Gallo, they had him, it was close enough where OKC allowed Miami to negotiate with Gallo on an extension. I get that Gallo is 31 already and will be on the downside of his career but he's a 6'10'' SF/PF who can shoot and that's not going to change, his size is going to keep him from degrading a bunch into his mid 30s. I think you could team up a Bam/Gallinari frontcourt for the next 3+ years while searching for Gallinari's replacement during that time, and if Miami were to have gotten Noel(who has a no trade clause and was being asked to waive that), that's a much better team then anything they have now.

It's quite possible that Miami could be rolling with CP3, Butler, Robinson, Gallinari, and Bam with their starters with probably Herro and Nunn on the bench(possibly not Nunn) with whoever else they got or signed for the next 3+ years and be "contenders" instead of disappointed when Giannis signs his max and Miami gets outbid for Beal. That's expecting, Winslow, Olynyk, Waiters, JJ, and possibly Dragic and/or Leonard were also moved. OKC has a lot of average to low first round picks, that's not exactly how you acquire top tier talent, I expect them to go hunting this summer and may retain CP3 and Gallo.

I think Miami has wasted an incredible opportunity to have a shot at getting to the finals this year. All or most of Dragic, DJJ, Olynyk, Leonard, and Crowder may not be on this roster next year, this team could very well get worse. A bunch of the top teams in the East should be better next year then this current season. KD and Kyrie will make Brooklyn a top team next year(they may have to make a few trades to build correctly around those 2), Boston should continue to get better(and add the right center), Philly may finally figure out Embiid and Simmons are better individually then together and truly build around one of the, Milwaukee maxing Giannis out can go all in long term with Giannis, Indiana should have Oladipo getting back into form during the season and may move one of their bigs for a better fit. It's not getting easier, this year was a year the finals were possibility with an added 20ppg guy.

Zach Lowe's been on the Heat's bandwagon all year, he picked them for the 3rd seed but also said that was dependant on them making 1 big trade(which they didn't do) which would make this team really dangerous. It's like those terrible contracts for Waiters, JJ... has actually made this team too worried about the future and possibly screwed up another few seasons because of it. Riley took the chance with Butler then punted, what a waste of a gift like Butler forcing himself to a team that had really no ability to add a guy like Butler going into that offseason.

[gom]

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I think the wait for 2021 narrative has been overstated here in this group. The heat are not waiting for 2021. They gonna try to add a go too player before that.

Agreed. The point of the trade was to free the Heat from JJ, Waiters, and Winslow's contract obligations.

Also, passing on Chris Paul was never about his performance this season. It's about two seasons down the line when you're paying $43m for a player who likely won't deserve a max deal. I'm actually impressed and support the FO's restraint. They had the good sense to see the true colors of the team (not a finals team) and NOT pull the trigger.

As for the comments about Nunn, Herro, Robinson, and the others... well, yes, the fans didn't know, but without being tested in actual games, in clutch moments (like how we didn't perform yesterday), the players never get an opportunity to show who they are either. I'm happy with the trajectory. It gives us options we did not have.

[TMIMITW]

May only bright side about it all....WE HAVE NEVER PLAYED A GAME FULLY HEALTHY

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Issue with the team is 3-point defense with Herro and Leonard out. Bam got to defend the perimeter more with Leonard defending the rim. This Heat team could on a huge run if the top 9 players are healthy.

[AirP.]

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I think the wait for 2021 narrative has been overstated here in this group. The heat are not waiting for 2021. They gonna try to add a go too player before that.

Agreed. The point of the trade was to free the Heat from JJ, Waiters, and Winslow's contract obligations.

Also, passing on Chris Paul was never about his performance this season. It's about two seasons down the line when you're paying $43m for a player who likely won't deserve a max deal. I'm actually impressed and support the FO's restraint. They had the good sense to see the true colors of the team (not a finals team) and NOT pull the trigger.

As for the comments about Nunn, Herro, Robinson, and the others... well, yes, the fans didn't know, but without being tested in actual games, in clutch moments (like how we didn't perform yesterday), the players never get an opportunity to show who they are either. I'm happy with the trajectory. It gives us options we did not have.

I think there's a better chance that CP3 at 43 million in 2021-2022 will be better than any player Miami will actually sign with their cap space. I'm not talking about trading into their cap space because quite honestly, even without cap space there will be enough teams with space you'll be able to move some salary out by attaching assets to create the needed space.

Also on adding another "star" Miami will have to battle at least OKC who is positioned asset wise to reasonably overbid basically anyone. Maybe adding Beal while taking Wall could be in Miami's future, not sure OKC would do that.

[AirP.]

May only bright side about it all....WE HAVE NEVER PLAYED A GAME FULLY HEALTHY

It's the NBA, injuries happen.


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[KingDavid]

I think the wait for 2021 narrative has been overstated here in this group. The heat are not waiting for 2021. They gonna try to add a go too player before that.

Agreed. The point of the trade was to free the Heat from JJ, Waiters, and Winslow's contract obligations.

Also, passing on Chris Paul was never about his performance this season. It's about two seasons down the line when you're paying $43m for a player who likely won't deserve a max deal. I'm actually impressed and support the FO's restraint. They had the good sense to see the true colors of the team (not a finals team) and NOT pull the trigger.

As for the comments about Nunn, Herro, Robinson, and the others... well, yes, the fans didn't know, but without being tested in actual games, in clutch moments (like how we didn't perform yesterday), the players never get an opportunity to show who they are either. I'm happy with the trajectory. It gives us options we did not have.

I think there's a better chance that CP3 at 43 million in 2021-2022 will be better than any player Miami will actually sign with their cap space. I'm not talking about trading into their cap space because quite honestly, even without cap space there will be enough teams with space you'll be able to move some salary out by attaching assets to create the needed space.

Also on adding another "star" Miami will have to battle at least OKC who is positioned asset wise to reasonably overbid basically anyone. Maybe adding Beal while taking Wall could be in Miami's future, not sure OKC would do that.

I think cp3 will be a very bad defender and/or injury prone come 2021-2022.

I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't think having cp3 and Butler right now would get us ahead of Toronto, Boston, Milwaukee, La, and La. What were OKC asking of us last summer for cp3? I'm pretty sure Herro was on that list.

[Kobewade11]

Boogie lol