Miami Heat Regular Season Thread Vol. Iggy

[AirP.]

Something I was thinking about right after the trade with Memphis that I almost posted.

These are my thoughts based off rumors and facts I've read/heard through podcasts and through blue checked tweeters. This is somewhat long and complex.

What if based on Winslow's availability history and with his current injury Miami was ready to cut ties with Winslow, either by trading him as an asset or not picking up his 2021 option meaning he was no longer in Miami's long term plans. To some teams he's worth the risk as an asset.

What if Jae Crowder was Miami's initial target on Memphis, not Iguodala but Winslow was seen as too much to give up for a expiring Crowder and maybe some cap relief so the trade would have to be expanded.

Memphis wanted to save some face with it's fan base by moving Iguodala where it looked like they didn't just give into him with him being away from the team the whole year.

Memphis put out some feelers, found out Minnesota would move Dieng(who is a solid but overpaid big) for JJ. Memphis then came back to Miami saying they'd trade Crowder to Miami and take on 2 2 year salaries(Waiters & JJ) if Miami would take Iguodala also(if Iguodala can be a rotation player, that's more then what they expected out of Waiters or JJ). Iguodala basically said he'd join the team if extended 2 years and finally came to an agreement of 2 years with the 2nd year a team option BUT... there's a little bit more to that team option, the team has to pick up Iggy's team option if they do not sign a MAX star free agent.

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With having to add Iguodala in the trade, Crowder wasn't needed as much as a defender off the bench, so Miami put out more feelers and found OKC open to adding Crowder, Miami releasing their options on their picks and probably getting a package built around Crowder and Olynyk(to replace Gallinari at stretch PF) for Gallinari. Miami then made a decision, to go all in or not, they DID discuss an extension with Gallinari(OKC had to allow that to happen), Miami did ask Noel to waive his no trade clause to be included in the trade and either Gallo asking for too many years or Noel saying no to the trade stopped Gallo from being moved to Miami.

So right now, if Miami crash and burns this year and next which may result in no max stars wanting to go to Miami, Miami's paying a 37 year old Iguodala 15 million, and add that on to a 32 year old Jimmy Butler making 36 million.

You think it's bad now, it could get a whole lot worse. What a huge gamble to HOPE a star signs in Miami in 2021, punting 2 seasons that this team could be a contender plus promising to pick up Iggy's team option if they don't get a star to sign with them.

[GameTime_3]

This season we have seen our share of Up's and Down's. We have given our rookies alot of love. We have praised Spo for handling of the roster to start the year. But.....As we did to start the year, Its time to start questioning those same with same energy. I'll start with Spo;

Losing 7 of last 9 isnt talent based. Last two loses have come to T-Wolves at home with 12 point lead in 4th QT and the Cav's with double digit lead. These are not talent loses or based on any injury, this has has been SpoBOT reverting back to his old days of taking a few games to realize an issue. The Cav's game, Duncan on Larry Nance was a disaster. Eric Reid and Co. couldnt help question why we kept that match up going and Spo did nothing. Larry Nancy lead the Cavs back, let that sink in. That's on Spo. Last night, our offense was ISO and Hand offs in the 4th. Crowder has been great but last night was a step slow, the jumper wasn't falling and wasn't the answer yet Spo kept him in longer than KO(Who had a good game) and DJJ(Who had a good game) all because it was set? Secondly, Spo needs to find an answer for our lack of offensive urgency. We consistently start our sets with 10 seconds left? That's coaching.

Point Guard Play; I like Nunn and what he is bringing but to often he goes James Harden and dribbles till the air comes out, leaving us with either a bad shot or a rushed shot. He needs to work on getting his team into position to score not just himself. Goran is in the same boat to often. He has fallen in love with that step back 3 as he has lot a step to the basket. Goran is coming a scorer not a PG anymore. PG play down the stretch has been terrible.

Iggy- When will we see a quaility rotation player? I know Riley loves himself vets and he loves that 15 million dollar a year contract but right now Iggy is our worst rotation player. More is expected and I know Riley has to be thinking the same. This isnt the Warriors where its ok to stand in the corner and wait for the ball.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Sucks that you can't sell high and trade coaches like you can with overrated players. Spo somehow has a good reputation around the league but for how long can that possibly last?

[Bourne85]

Good post Gametime.

To me it’s much simpler and clearer. We are simply a treadmill team. A team relying on dleaguers making the minimum.

What happens when we pay Nunn? DRob? What happens when we pay the MAX to Bam?

We will be screwed that’s what.

If we weren’t going for lottery balls then we should’ve gone all in on this season, on an open season to anyone. Should’ve gone for Gallo or CP3 or both. Salary cap be damned. But we didn’t, we got rid of two pot heads and a broken player and got a role player and a guy that is wayyyyy past it plus gave him a free extra 15mil to boot. We treadmilled it up like we have been the past 6 years.

Giannis is not coming here, neither is AD. We should’ve gone for it now or torn the team down and began to build correctly through the draft. Our guys all had great value that could’ve been turned into picks left n right. We did neither, and now we are locked in on treadmill status.

Teams that have tanked recently all have future Super stars on their team and we have an aging Jimmy Butler. Doncic, Trae, Morant, Zion and go back the past 5 seasons other studs that we had no shot in getting because we are too busy fighting for the 8th seed.

Riley needs to put his pride aside and do what needs to be done. Tank for a top 3 pick, draft our next Wade, tank year after year until we get our guy. But he won’t, cuz Miami fans are the type to not show up to the games and cost Arison money. We are in no mans land.

When Lebron left I said we wouldn’t sniff a chance at a title for a good 10 years. I think I was wrong this might be 15-20plus years if Riley keeps steering us into treadmill waters.

This franchise never won anything until we DRAFTED a superstar. That drafted player brought us 3 titles. Now his Jersey is up in the rafters. I guess Riley still hasn’t learned. There is no point in competing if you don’t have a true superstar on your team. Jimmy isn’t that, neither is Bam. Nothing will happen until we land a top 3 pick and hit on that pick.

If we are expecting to win with Jimmy and Bam then I have a bridge to sell all of you. The only one winning here is Jimmy on the way to the bank and on the way to his bedroom filled with Latina ass

[Feel_the_Heat15]

We're back to overreacting. You win games you shouldn't have and you lose games you shouldn't have. We'll probably beat the Mavericks tomorrow and go back to talking about how great this season has been.

[Kobewade11]

Something I was thinking about right after the trade with Memphis that I almost posted.

These are my thoughts based off rumors and facts I've read/heard through podcasts and through blue checked tweeters. This is somewhat long and complex.

What if based on Winslow's availability history and with his current injury Miami was ready to cut ties with Winslow, either by trading him as an asset or not picking up his 2021 option meaning he was no longer in Miami's long term plans. To some teams he's worth the risk as an asset.

What if Jae Crowder was Miami's initial target on Memphis, not Iguodala but Winslow was seen as too much to give up for a expiring Crowder and maybe some cap relief so the trade would have to be expanded.

Memphis wanted to save some face with it's fan base by moving Iguodala where it looked like they didn't just give into him with him being away from the team the whole year.

Memphis put out some feelers, found out Minnesota would move Dieng(who is a solid but overpaid big) for JJ. Memphis then came back to Miami saying they'd trade Crowder to Miami and take on 2 2 year salaries(Waiters & JJ) if Miami would take Iguodala also(if Iguodala can be a rotation player, that's more then what they expected out of Waiters or JJ). Iguodala basically said he'd join the team if extended 2 years and finally came to an agreement of 2 years with the 2nd year a team option BUT... there's a little bit more to that team option, the team has to pick up Iggy's team option if they do not sign a MAX star free agent.

Read on Twitter

With having to add Iguodala in the trade, Crowder wasn't needed as much as a defender off the bench, so Miami put out more feelers and found OKC open to adding Crowder, Miami releasing their options on their picks and probably getting a package built around Crowder and Olynyk(to replace Gallinari at stretch PF) for Gallinari. Miami then made a decision, to go all in or not, they DID discuss an extension with Gallinari(OKC had to allow that to happen), Miami did ask Noel to waive his no trade clause to be included in the trade and either Gallo asking for too many years or Noel saying no to the trade stopped Gallo from being moved to Miami.

So right now, if Miami crash and burns this year and next which may result in no max stars wanting to go to Miami, Miami's paying a 37 year old Iguodala 15 million, and add that on to a 32 year old Jimmy Butler making 36 million.

You think it's bad now, it could get a whole lot worse. What a huge gamble to HOPE a star signs in Miami in 2021, punting 2 seasons that this team could be a contender plus promising to pick up Iggy's team option if they don't get a star to sign with them.

The move was to wait. We just had one more year before getting out of James Waiters Penitentiary. Only a trade for a star truly elevates the ceiling of this team. You let Winslow heal up, and at worst if you have to move him you try to do it as part of a bigger package for a star player down the line, we did it for Jae Crowder and the corpse of Andre Iguodala, just to dump two guys that were coming off the books soon anyway.

[AirP.]

We're back to overreacting. You win games you shouldn't have and you lose games you shouldn't have. We'll probably beat the Mavericks tomorrow and go back to talking about how great this season has been.

Maybe for most of the fans, I have expected this for a while if talent wasn't brought in. The team is 12-14 it's last 26 games (38 win pace) with 2 wins and 1 loss in overtime, this team realistically could be 10-16 it's last 26 games if it lost all 3 OT games which would be a 32 win pace team , that's really bad.

I know a lot of fans don't care, but I think Haslem taking up a roster spot instead of possibly having a defensive big who can actually help the team on the court has hurt the team greatly, especially since the injury to Leonard.

[dagger151]

Lets not overreact here. We all had to assume we would fall back to the mean, i mean really, we were totally overachieving with these young guys.

I bet Riley pulls a trade off this summer and dont be surprised if its Beal. Dont give up yet.

[AirP.]

Lets not overreact here. We all had to assume we would fall back to the mean, i mean really, we were totally overachieving with these young guys.

I bet Riley pulls a trade off this summer and dont be surprised if its Beal. Dont give up yet.

I'll be surprised because Beal is nearly a perfect fit for OKC who has way more assets to throw at Washington. The thing is, the wording of the Iguodala deal, that they will pick up his 15 million dollar option if Miami does not recruit a max star. I don't think adding a star in 2020 will stop Iguodala from expecting his option to be picked up at age 37.

By the way, isn't it odd that OKC has the same exact record as Miami this late in the season? They're 2 games away from having home court advantage in the west.

[Wiltside]

OKC probably don’t even need Beal, given they have SGA who is younger and cheaper. I guess the way the league is now, you could start Paul, Beal
And SGA as your 1/2/3.

I’d be surprised if Riley ain’t hunting in the offszn, have a feeling that old mate John Wall would be coming with Beal if we actually pulled it off though.

[DayofMourning]

Nerlens Noel available this offseason?

[HeatIn5]

Why not buy out Solomon Hill and sign Faried?

[Flash4thewin]

Something I was thinking about right after the trade with Memphis that I almost posted.

These are my thoughts based off rumors and facts I've read/heard through podcasts and through blue checked tweeters. This is somewhat long and complex.

What if based on Winslow's availability history and with his current injury Miami was ready to cut ties with Winslow, either by trading him as an asset or not picking up his 2021 option meaning he was no longer in Miami's long term plans. To some teams he's worth the risk as an asset.

What if Jae Crowder was Miami's initial target on Memphis, not Iguodala but Winslow was seen as too much to give up for a expiring Crowder and maybe some cap relief so the trade would have to be expanded.

Memphis wanted to save some face with it's fan base by moving Iguodala where it looked like they didn't just give into him with him being away from the team the whole year.

Memphis put out some feelers, found out Minnesota would move Dieng(who is a solid but overpaid big) for JJ. Memphis then came back to Miami saying they'd trade Crowder to Miami and take on 2 2 year salaries(Waiters & JJ) if Miami would take Iguodala also(if Iguodala can be a rotation player, that's more then what they expected out of Waiters or JJ). Iguodala basically said he'd join the team if extended 2 years and finally came to an agreement of 2 years with the 2nd year a team option BUT... there's a little bit more to that team option, the team has to pick up Iggy's team option if they do not sign a MAX star free agent.

Read on Twitter

With having to add Iguodala in the trade, Crowder wasn't needed as much as a defender off the bench, so Miami put out more feelers and found OKC open to adding Crowder, Miami releasing their options on their picks and probably getting a package built around Crowder and Olynyk(to replace Gallinari at stretch PF) for Gallinari. Miami then made a decision, to go all in or not, they DID discuss an extension with Gallinari(OKC had to allow that to happen), Miami did ask Noel to waive his no trade clause to be included in the trade and either Gallo asking for too many years or Noel saying no to the trade stopped Gallo from being moved to Miami.

So right now, if Miami crash and burns this year and next which may result in no max stars wanting to go to Miami, Miami's paying a 37 year old Iguodala 15 million, and add that on to a 32 year old Jimmy Butler making 36 million.

You think it's bad now, it could get a whole lot worse. What a huge gamble to HOPE a star signs in Miami in 2021, punting 2 seasons that this team could be a contender plus promising to pick up Iggy's team option if they don't get a star to sign with them.

That’s an interesting take, but then that means this off season is the pay up moment for Crowder. For him to take a one year deal with the way he is not playing is not realistic but if possible will cost a pretty penny. Dragic also needs to get paid. Without Dragic this season we would be an a world of pain.

[eddieheatfan]

welp i'm screwed youtubetv wont be carrying the fox stations because of a dispute with sinclair. now i wont be able to watch the games unless i switch to hulutv and i am tired of switching providers so i guess i will have to follow the online scoreboards from now on

these corporations are so fking greedy

[AirP.]

That’s an interesting take, but then that means this off season is the pay up moment for Crowder. For him to take a one year deal with the way he is not playing is not realistic but if possible will cost a pretty penny. Dragic also needs to get paid. Without Dragic this season we would be an a world of pain.

Sure, it's why I think next year will probably be a worse year for Miami. I doubt Crowder gets paid by Miami or they would have done the extension move with him like they did with Iggy(who probably pushed Miami for it) and tried to do with Gallo(to not rent him). I could see Miami bringing back Dragic, DJJ, and Leonard on high-value contracts and I'm going to guess Olynyk opts-in unless he knows for sure there's a solid multiyear contract out there for him.

That promise to Iggy about the team opting in is about a max star is about 2021 if Miami were to make a big move in 2020 there's no reason why Miami couldn't pay Iggy that 15 mil because they're not going to be able to create max cap space, it's all about needing that cap space for a MAX star, not a 20 million dollar player, a MAX star.

[Bourne85]

welp i'm screwed youtubetv wont be carrying the fox stations because of a dispute with sinclair. now i wont be able to watch the games unless i switch to hulutv and i am tired of switching providers so i guess i will have to follow the online scoreboards from now on

these corporations are so fking greedy

Illegal streams Eddie. Buff streams or something like that

[puppa bear]

Well, I had us 6th behind Philly and Indy, at the start of pre-season. Bam has stepped up more than I expected and we got a lot more from Nunn/Herro/Robinson than I imagined we might. So, for me this year is a win. We’ve potentially positioned ourselves to bid for a max FA this year (AD), should it become a thing, and cleared more cap for 2021 (or allowed space to resign DJJ).

If we can host in the 1st round and see the 2nd, then it’s a huge experience win for the rooks and youngsters.

[AirP.]

welp i'm screwed youtubetv wont be carrying the fox stations because of a dispute with sinclair. now i wont be able to watch the games unless i switch to hulutv and i am tired of switching providers so i guess i will have to follow the online scoreboards from now on

these corporations are so fking greedy

They're all trying to make money and sometimes flex their power for better prices, at least there are options whereas just a few years ago there weren't. I'm paying for NBA Broadband and still, there are times they don't carry the live game in which I go and utilize certain websites.

[KingDavid]

Well, I had us 6th behind Philly and Indy, at the start of pre-season. Bam has stepped up more than I expected and we got a lot more from Nunn/Herro/Robinson than I imagined we might. So, for me this year is a win. We’ve potentially positioned ourselves to bid for a max FA this year (AD), should it become a thing, and cleared more cap for 2021 (or allowed space to resign DJJ).

If we can host in the 1st round and see the 2nd, then it’s a huge experience win for the rooks and youngsters.

AD is not leaving the Lakers. He got traded to the team and the city he wanted to play for and the Lakers gave up a lot for him.

[AirP.]

I'm watching the OKC/Sac game and just thinking, there really was a path THIS SEASON(and for the next 2-3 years) to have CP3, Nunn/Robinson, Butler, Gallo, and Bam as Heat starters. That's a championship-caliber squad.

It's nuts that OKC, who traded George and Westbrook, this late in the year have a better record than Miami.