Spike Lee will be on First Take this morning to discuss incident last night

[Clyde_Style]

so you guys are giving Spike a pass for lying and even worse, its was proven that he was lying, just to push your Agenda against Dolan. smh

Yep, all of the pent up rage against Dolan has overwhelmed common sense

We're really in the middle of an All or Nothing culture now where balanced reasoning gets tossed out the window

Guys like Spike are willing parties to the degradation of public discourse

There should no sides taken in this obnoxious melodramatic squabble. If Spike were a true adult he would squashed it and not dragged it out like this. Dolan is a known dummy who is tone deaf and doesn't understand much about real life, but Spike should know better

This was about much more than being butthurt over a slight at the entrance. Spike was ready to go off and he chose to use this as his pretext. He has behaved far worse than anything the organization did or bungled or stated

Spike has always been a twat. This just cements it

He’s paid enough money lining Dolans pockets for this GARBAGE product that he’s more than justified to want to be treated like a VALUED customer.

You're welcome to that thought, but it doesn't mitigate mine however, because Spike's way of going about is still aholish. It is like watching a toddler have a tantrum in public. It really became about Spike Lee's need for attention more than anything Dolan or MSG. It makes him look far more petty than the initial grievance that triggered him

[Chanel Bomber]

100% this

Espn wrote a piece on the Knicks lack of shooting coach. Two days later we have a shooting coach. Steve Stoute goes on espn and f*cks up, two days later Mills is finally fired.

Spike going on espn is exactly how to get results from Dolan.

Well said...

Dolan values optics and appearance, first and foremost and above EVERYTHING else

(Its kinda terrible to make organizational decisions based on appearances though )

Yeah, good for Spike. I'm glad he went on the show. Every chance someone gets an opportunity to shiv Dolan, it should be taken.

Not at any cost though, and especially not by blowing a trivial incident out of proportion or by lying about what actually went down. Spike already had his mind made up that he was victimized by Dolan and he distorted the truth on live television to legitimize his beef. I’m all for taking down Dolan for actual facts (that have yet to happen or be revealed), but not at the expense of the truth.

Spike and his friend the poor bully Oakley are reaching. As much as Dolan is to blame for how poorly and stupidly he’s managed this situation, no, I’m not down with the lies or the baseless accusations.

[Clyde_Style]

Well said...

Dolan values optics and appearance, first and foremost and above EVERYTHING else

(Its kinda terrible to make organizational decisions based on appearances though )

Yeah, good for Spike. I'm glad he went on the show. Every chance someone gets an opportunity to shiv Dolan, it should be taken.

Not at any cost though, and especially not by blowing a trivial incident out of proportion or by lying about what actually went down. Spike already had his mind made up that he was victimized by Dolan and he distorted the truth on live television to legitimize his beef. I’m all for taking down Dolan for actual facts that have yet to happen or be revealed, but not at the expense of the truth.

Spike and his friend the poor bully Oakley are reaching. As much as Dolan is to blame for how poorly and stupidly he’s managed this situation, no, I’m not down with the lies or the baseless accusations.

Yeah. Principles seem to be up for sale in this discussion. It's just weak. I guess it doesn't matter how someone behaves if it causes more embarrassment to someone you oppose. That's 2020 for you

[Traveyknicks23]

Dolan is part of a whole bigger problem with the Knicks but he’s not the sole issue either

[HarthorneWingo]

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People don't like seeing rich billionaires continuing to bully people around just because they can. At least Spike has created and paid tribute to works of art which shine a light on cultural issues at different times. You may like his works, not like them, like some of them. Whatever, but at least he's done something. Plus, like us, he's a loyal Knicks' fan to a fault. Fck Dolan. Anyone supporting him should have their head examined.

It doesn't make any difference whether it's a local/national celebrity, former well-respected/retired Knick, or a vocal fan who paid for his ticket like anyone else. Dolan runs the Knicks like the arrogant, stupid, petulant, spoiled brat that he is. He is our Trump, plain and simple.

I'm all for kicking bullies right in the balls.

Being honest about Spike's own conduct is not a defense of Dolan. That's dumbing things down

But it's Dolan and his vibe which just leaves a stench around our team. A cool dude would have Spike in his office or out for dinner before/after the game. A cool owner would give Spike his cell phone number and tell him if he ever had any problems at MSG to text or call him immediately. Dolan and his ties to CAA should be trying to work with Spike ... maybe make an award-winning documentary on the Knicks. Players around the league see this and it doesn't make for a comfortable working environment.

If Spike overreacted, that's collateral to what's significant about this event which appears to occur all too often at MSG.

[Clyde_Style]

People don't like seeing rich billionaires continuing to bully people around just because they can. At least Spike has created and paid tribute to works of art which shine a light on cultural issues at different times. You may like his works, not like them, like some of them. Whatever, but at least he's done something. Plus, like us, he's a loyal Knicks' fan to a fault. Fck Dolan. Anyone supporting him should have their head examined.

It doesn't make any difference whether it's a local/national celebrity, former well-respected/retired Knick, or a vocal fan who paid for his ticket like anyone else. Dolan runs the Knicks like the arrogant, stupid, petulant, spoiled brat that he is. He is our Trump, plain and simple.

I'm all for kicking bullies right in the balls.

Being honest about Spike's own conduct is not a defense of Dolan. That's dumbing things down

But it's Dolan and his vibe which just leaves a stench around our team. A cool dude would have Spike in his office or out for dinner before/after the game. A cool owner would give Spike his cell phone number and tell him if he ever had any problems at MSG to text or call him immediately. Dolan and his ties to CAA should be trying to work with Spike ... maybe make an award-winning documentary on the Knicks. Players around the league see this and it doesn't make for a comfortable working environment.

If Spike overreacted, that's collateral to what's significant about this event which appears to occur all too often at MSG.

And yet again I'm unimpressed by justifying boorish behavior using a by any means necessary justification

[HarthorneWingo]

Well said...

Dolan values optics and appearance, first and foremost and above EVERYTHING else

(Its kinda terrible to make organizational decisions based on appearances though )

Yeah, good for Spike. I'm glad he went on the show. Every chance someone gets an opportunity to shiv Dolan, it should be taken.

Not at any cost though, and especially not by blowing a trivial incident out of proportion or by lying about what actually went down. Spike already had his mind made up that he was victimized by Dolan and he distorted the truth on live television to legitimize his beef. I’m all for taking down Dolan for actual facts (that have yet to happen or be revealed), but not at the expense of the truth.

Spike and his friend the poor bully Oakley are reaching. As much as Dolan is to blame for how poorly and stupidly he’s managed this situation, no, I’m not down with the lies or the baseless accusations.

I read the district court opinion dismissing Oakley's lawsuit, which Oakley has appealed to the Second Circuit. I think Oakley should win on appeal. I think that the district didn't view the facts in the light most favorable to the non-moving party which is what's required. I believe that the court abused its discretion and that there is sufficient issues of fact that require the case to go to a jury. So we'll see about that.

As for this Spike Lee incident, it's not about the victim anyone. It's about Dolan. The man is nuts. He isn't even business savvy. The Knicks are the NBA's number 1 valued franchise inspire of Dolan. He is emblematic of these billionaire **** who think that they can push people - be they ego-inflated celebrities, former players, or justifiably angry fans who say things he doesn't like - around just because he has the money/power to do so. It's irrelevant to me that Spike has a big ego. This is about how the Knicks treat its biggest most conspicuous celebrity fans, former players, and everyday Joes. I'm surprised I'm alone in this. Then again, nothing should surprise me these days.

[HarthorneWingo]

Being honest about Spike's own conduct is not a defense of Dolan. That's dumbing things down

But it's Dolan and his vibe which just leaves a stench around our team. A cool dude would have Spike in his office or out for dinner before/after the game. A cool owner would give Spike his cell phone number and tell him if he ever had any problems at MSG to text or call him immediately. Dolan and his ties to CAA should be trying to work with Spike ... maybe make an award-winning documentary on the Knicks. Players around the league see this and it doesn't make for a comfortable working environment.

If Spike overreacted, that's collateral to what's significant about this event which appears to occur all too often at MSG.

And yet again I'm unimpressed by justifying boorish behavior using a by any means necessary justification

What's "boorish" about attempting to peacefully enter MSG to go watch the game like he has for the past 25 years?

[Chanel Bomber]

Yeah, good for Spike. I'm glad he went on the show. Every chance someone gets an opportunity to shiv Dolan, it should be taken.

Not at any cost though, and especially not by blowing a trivial incident out of proportion or by lying about what actually went down. Spike already had his mind made up that he was victimized by Dolan and he distorted the truth on live television to legitimize his beef. I’m all for taking down Dolan for actual facts (that have yet to happen or be revealed), but not at the expense of the truth.

Spike and his friend the poor bully Oakley are reaching. As much as Dolan is to blame for how poorly and stupidly he’s managed this situation, no, I’m not down with the lies or the baseless accusations.

I read the district court opinion dismissing Oakley's lawsuit, which Oakley has appealed to the Second Circuit. I think Oakley should win on appeal. I think that the district didn't view the facts in the light most favorable to the non-moving party which is what's required. I believe that the court abused its discretion and that there is sufficient issues of fact that require the case to go to a jury. So we'll see about that.

As for this Spike Lee incident, it's not about the victim anyone. It's about Dolan. The man is nuts. He isn't even business savvy. The Knicks are the NBA's number 1 valued franchise inspire of Dolan. He is emblematic of these billionaire **** who think that they can push people - be they ego-inflated celebrities, former players, or justifiably angry fans who say things he doesn't like - around just because he has the money/power to do so. It's irrelevant to me that Spike has a big ego. This is about how the Knicks treat its biggest most conspicuous celebrity fans, former players, and everyday Joes. I'm surprised I'm alone in this. Then again, nothing should surprise me these days.

Maybe you missed my posts in this thread but I expressed very clearly that Dolan was to blame for this situation, that the way he treated Spike was wrong (or insufficient) just like he takes Knicks fans for granted, and that his statement was unprofessional, juvenile and flat-out pathetic. So no need to be overdramatic and self-victimize like Spike and Oakley, you’re not “alone in this”. Regardless, this doesn’t justify Spike going on First Take to lie about the facts while airing his grievances because of an ego war. Just because Dolan was wrong doesn’t mean I’m automatically gonna support the other side, in this case Spike let alone Oak.

Dolan committed the first foul, Spike committed a flagrant foul in response (a flagrant 2 tbh), doubled down and Dolan responded with a flagrant 2 of his own. I’m not supporting anybody in this and I don’t think anyone should either. Because the only losers here are Knicks fans and all three of them escalated this situation and led to this mess.

[Clyde_Style]

But it's Dolan and his vibe which just leaves a stench around our team. A cool dude would have Spike in his office or out for dinner before/after the game. A cool owner would give Spike his cell phone number and tell him if he ever had any problems at MSG to text or call him immediately. Dolan and his ties to CAA should be trying to work with Spike ... maybe make an award-winning documentary on the Knicks. Players around the league see this and it doesn't make for a comfortable working environment.

If Spike overreacted, that's collateral to what's significant about this event which appears to occur all too often at MSG.

And yet again I'm unimpressed by justifying boorish behavior using a by any means necessary justification

What's "boorish" about attempting to peacefully enter MSG to go watch the game like he has for the past 25 years?

Really?

[HarthorneWingo]

Not at any cost though, and especially not by blowing a trivial incident out of proportion or by lying about what actually went down. Spike already had his mind made up that he was victimized by Dolan and he distorted the truth on live television to legitimize his beef. I’m all for taking down Dolan for actual facts (that have yet to happen or be revealed), but not at the expense of the truth.

Spike and his friend the poor bully Oakley are reaching. As much as Dolan is to blame for how poorly and stupidly he’s managed this situation, no, I’m not down with the lies or the baseless accusations.

I read the district court opinion dismissing Oakley's lawsuit, which Oakley has appealed to the Second Circuit. I think Oakley should win on appeal. I think that the district didn't view the facts in the light most favorable to the non-moving party which is what's required. I believe that the court abused its discretion and that there is sufficient issues of fact that require the case to go to a jury. So we'll see about that.

As for this Spike Lee incident, it's not about the victim anyone. It's about Dolan. The man is nuts. He isn't even business savvy. The Knicks are the NBA's number 1 valued franchise inspire of Dolan. He is emblematic of these billionaire **** who think that they can push people - be they ego-inflated celebrities, former players, or justifiably angry fans who say things he doesn't like - around just because he has the money/power to do so. It's irrelevant to me that Spike has a big ego. This is about how the Knicks treat its biggest most conspicuous celebrity fans, former players, and everyday Joes. I'm surprised I'm alone in this. Then again, nothing should surprise me these days.

Maybe you missed my posts in this thread but I expressed very clearly that Dolan was to blame for this situation, that the way he treated Spike was wrong (or insufficient) just like he takes Knicks fans for granted, and that his statement was unprofessional, juvenile and flat-out pathetic. So no need to be overdramatic and self-victimize like Spike and Oakley, you’re not “alone in this”. Regardless, this doesn’t justify Spike going on First Take to lie about the facts while airing his grievances because of an ego war. Just because Dolan was wrong doesn’t mean I’m automatically gonna support the other side, in this case Spike let alone Oak.

Dolan committed the first foul, Spike committed a flagrant foul in response (a flagrant 2 tbh), doubled down and Dolan responded with a flagrant 2 of his own. I’m not supporting anybody in this and I don’t think anyone should either. Because the only losers here are Knicks fans and all three of them escalated this situation and led to this mess.

Okay, I'm with you. What did Spike lie about? I missed that part. I don't understand what he has to lie about? Seems like the mere basic facts are all that's important. See? This is why being a lawyer sucks. Clients always think they know how they can make the case better. Nothing had to be embellished. What exactly did Spike add to the story?

[NJ-NYK-17]

everyone involved in this looks like a fricken idiot

[HarthorneWingo]

And yet again I'm unimpressed by justifying boorish behavior using a by any means necessary justification

What's "boorish" about attempting to peacefully enter MSG to go watch the game like he has for the past 25 years?

Really?

No. Not really. I just type whatever nonsense comes to my fingertips of which I have no control. My apologies.

[Clyde_Style]

What's "boorish" about attempting to peacefully enter MSG to go watch the game like he has for the past 25 years?

Really?

No. Not really. I just type whatever nonsense comes to my fingertips of which I have no control. My apologies.

I think his behavior is wrong-headed, you don't have to agree. If I say two wrongs don't make a right then that's how I roll, but I'm not going to get into a fight over it

[Chanel Bomber]

I read the district court opinion dismissing Oakley's lawsuit, which Oakley has appealed to the Second Circuit. I think Oakley should win on appeal. I think that the district didn't view the facts in the light most favorable to the non-moving party which is what's required. I believe that the court abused its discretion and that there is sufficient issues of fact that require the case to go to a jury. So we'll see about that.

As for this Spike Lee incident, it's not about the victim anyone. It's about Dolan. The man is nuts. He isn't even business savvy. The Knicks are the NBA's number 1 valued franchise inspire of Dolan. He is emblematic of these billionaire **** who think that they can push people - be they ego-inflated celebrities, former players, or justifiably angry fans who say things he doesn't like - around just because he has the money/power to do so. It's irrelevant to me that Spike has a big ego. This is about how the Knicks treat its biggest most conspicuous celebrity fans, former players, and everyday Joes. I'm surprised I'm alone in this. Then again, nothing should surprise me these days.

Maybe you missed my posts in this thread but I expressed very clearly that Dolan was to blame for this situation, that the way he treated Spike was wrong (or insufficient) just like he takes Knicks fans for granted, and that his statement was unprofessional, juvenile and flat-out pathetic. So no need to be overdramatic and self-victimize like Spike and Oakley, you’re not “alone in this”. Regardless, this doesn’t justify Spike going on First Take to lie about the facts while airing his grievances because of an ego war. Just because Dolan was wrong doesn’t mean I’m automatically gonna support the other side, in this case Spike let alone Oak.

Dolan committed the first foul, Spike committed a flagrant foul in response (a flagrant 2 tbh), doubled down and Dolan responded with a flagrant 2 of his own. I’m not supporting anybody in this and I don’t think anyone should either. Because the only losers here are Knicks fans and all three of them escalated this situation and led to this mess.

Okay, I'm with you. What did Spike lie about? I missed that part. I don't understand what he has to lie about? Seems like the mere basic facts are all that's important. See? This is why being a lawyer sucks. Clients always think they know how they can make the case better. Nothing had to be embellished. What exactly did Spike add to the story?

That he didn’t shake hands with Dolan. It’s largely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. It just gives more ammo to Dolan. In fact let me change my position slightly on this, I don’t think that lie or omission is that relevant (as it doesn’t actually support his point), but it does hurt the credibility of his story. Can we believe him then when he says he wasn’t notified?

Spike admittedly not being open to dialogue when Dolan came to talk (Dolan making the first step was probably a BIG deal to him) was unwise, insulting and immature, and it undoubtedly triggered Dolan’s pettiness. Both acted like adolescents and did nothing to come to a positive resolution. But Spike asked for smoke when he refused to engage in conversation, and Dolan and his petty self happily proceeded.

Btw apologies for the tone of my previous post. I just wanted to underline that at the end of the day I’m with you and I also believe that Dolan is responsible, regardless of how I feel about Spike’s actions. And I hope to see Spike at the Garden soon enough.

[HerSports85]

I actually hope attendance hits rock bottom and I’m enjoying Dolan getting dragged in the media and the more I think about it this is needed. I was annoyed when it first happened and spike still lame how he reacted but I think we are coming to a turning point. Just give me a little more drama, more “sell the team” chants, more public Dolan bashing and hopefully it finally leads to drastic change - top to bottom!

[Oscirus]

Once attendance hits rock bottom is when the stupid Isaiah deals will start

[HarthorneWingo]

More great press for Dolan and the Knicks. The hit list keeps growing. More "entitled" fans get their First Amendment rights trampled on by Bluesman Jimmy.

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-fans-sell-the-team-security-madison-square-garden-grizzlies-20200305-qwfxp4iz7zatzkia5yvz2s27gm-story.html

Knicks fan says he was interrogated and threatened with arrest for chanting 'Sell the Team’

By STEFAN BONDY
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS |
MAR 04, 2020 | 11:12 PM


A Knicks fan who chanted ‘Sell the Team’ with his friends Wednesday said he was “interrogated” by security for 15 minutes before leaving Madison Garden following the Knicks loss to the Jazz.

The fan, who wanted to be called ‘John from Long Island,’ posted a video on Twitter of him and at least three friends being surrounded by six security guards and one police officer near the MSG elevator.

John said a security guard threatened them with arrest but they are allowed back at the Garden. Moments earlier — as the Knicks were in the final minutes of their 112-104 defeat — the group started chanting, ‘Sell the Team,’ and it was briefly picked up by other fans. They were leaving when they began to yell — a smart tactic since that can prompt an ejection at MSG — and a security guard quickly approached them to make sure they left.

John then posted a picture outside the Garden with four friends and the caption, “Escorted out of Spike’s entrance.” It was a reference to the employee entrance Spike Lee was banned from using.

An MSG spokesman said the fans were neither ejected nor escorted from the arena. Earlier this season, owner James Dolan appeared to order security to eject a teenage fan as the entire arena erupted in a ‘Sell the Team’ chant.

And on Tuesday, Knicks superman Spike Lee said he was boycotting the remainder of the season because of his treatment at MSG.

“I’m being harassed by James Dolan,” Lee said on ESPN’s First Take.

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[HarthorneWingo]

Okay, everybody needs to chill the fck out. Y'all are getting me stressed out.

Watch this.

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[malik959]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/knicks-have-lowest-home-attendance-in-over-13-years-after-incident-with-spike-lee/