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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread Vol. Iggy 

Post#921 » by DayofMourning » Mon Mar 9, 2020 6:36 pm

rate_ wrote:Duncan Robinson is also TOP 3 in On-Off impact metric (min. 1500 minutes):

Player | On-Off | Minutes Played
Tatum | +11.5 | 2007
Giannis | +11.2 | 1763
DuncRob | +10.7 | 1914
LeBron | +10.4 | 2060
Gobert | +10.4 | 2111
Rubio | +10.2 | 1766
Chris Paul | +10.1 | 2003
Kawhi | +9.4 | 1618
Graham | +8.9 | 2128


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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread Vol. Iggy 

Post#922 » by MartyConlonJr » Mon Mar 9, 2020 6:38 pm

BFRESH44 wrote:Dunc’s really the best non splash brother shooter in the world, and that’s wild to say.


Outside of longevity or having performed in the playoffs, I don't think Klay Thompson has an argument.

Duncan's current season of 3.8 of 8.3 makes at 45.3% is more raw makes at a better percentage than any Klay season ever, and Duncan doesn't have the additional separation of Steph's gravity to help him. Klay's ccareer numbers are 2.9 of 7.0 at 41.9% compared to Duncan's 3.2 of 7.2 at 44.2%. I would suspect (and maybe someone can find) that Duncan makes more contested threes than Klay. I also think Duncan is more one dimensional than Klay at this stage, so people guard him for the three, not the drive.

It's still a small sample for Duncan where a 7-11 game raises his career numbers a percent or so, which means the inverse is true and a bad night brings this stuff back down, so I'm weary of any more hyperbole than this (I'm not touching the Steph one).
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Post#923 » by twix2500 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:02 pm

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He is averaging 36% from 3 on 2.6 attempts, 9 rbs and 17 pts. Might be a steal like Nunn.

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Post#924 » by AirP. » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:12 pm

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He is averaging 36% from 3 on 2.6 attempts, 9 rbs and 17 pts. Might be a steal like Nunn.

He's under contract with the Spurs for this year and next.
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Post#925 » by twix2500 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:31 pm

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He is averaging 36% from 3 on 2.6 attempts, 9 rbs and 17 pts. Might be a steal like Nunn.

He's under contract with the Spurs for this year and next.
Dam, seem like a potential complementary role player next to Bam.

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Post#926 » by AirP. » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:25 pm

63 games in 41-23

It's nice people are starting to come around on Robinson.

2 man combinations top 5 (it's all about Robinson, min 686 minutes)
1. Butler / Robinson +9.3
2. Bam / Robinson +8.6
3. Butler / Leonard +8.6
4. Dragic / Robinson +8.4
5. Leonard / Robinson +8.1

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Post#927 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:22 pm

This team could reach the next level offensively with better offensive rebounding. We're near the bottom in that category.
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Post#931 » by AirP. » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:40 pm

RonySeikalyFTW wrote:Clips signing Joakim Noah

Wish we could've got in on that hot action

Noah was the perfect vet min pickup to backup Bam. Noah actually was in the MVP race for playing EXACTLY HOW BAM IS CURRENTLY BEING UTILIZED and in Memphis last year showed he still had the ability to be a good player in the NBA. Other then Noah having that horrible looking shot, Bam isn't too far off of what Noah was most of his career, a top defensive big who also passed well to help create for others. No you couldn't play Bam and Noah together, but when Bam would come out you'd get basically the same type player in his place to not have to dramatically change your offense/defense. He would have been a great fit playing behind Bam.
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Post#932 » by MartyConlonJr » Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:23 am

I'm still convinced Bam can shoot the ball and shoot it well out to 3. I think Jimmy knows too based on his bet. Bam made 3 for 6 in the skills challenge and looked natural. You can say they were open, but they were on the run and under big lights and pressure. He has it. He made some unbelievable percentage of 3 point shots for us before he was drafted in the workouts. I remember them raving about it. I think the expectation that he can't work with an inside player and drift out a little more is wrong and I think it will be his next evolution.
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Post#933 » by KingDavid » Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:36 am

MartyConlonJr wrote:I'm still convinced Bam can shoot the ball and shoot it well out to 3. I think Jimmy knows too based on his bet. Bam made 3 for 6 in the skills challenge and looked natural. You can say they were open, but they were on the run and under big lights and pressure. He has it. He made some unbelievable percentage of 3 point shots for us before he was drafted in the workouts. I remember them raving about it. I think the expectation that he can't work with an inside player and drift out a little more is wrong and I think it will be his next evolution.

He doesn't have NBA level consistency with that shot yet. Those decent 3pt shooters are automatic in practice, even with tired legs. I mean, roll out of bed with crusty eyes and knock down 30 in a row and go right back to bed.
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Post#934 » by MartyConlonJr » Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:20 am

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MartyConlonJr wrote:I'm still convinced Bam can shoot the ball and shoot it well out to 3. I think Jimmy knows too based on his bet. Bam made 3 for 6 in the skills challenge and looked natural. You can say they were open, but they were on the run and under big lights and pressure. He has it. He made some unbelievable percentage of 3 point shots for us before he was drafted in the workouts. I remember them raving about it. I think the expectation that he can't work with an inside player and drift out a little more is wrong and I think it will be his next evolution.

He doesn't have NBA level consistency with that shot yet. Those decent 3pt shooters are automatic in practice, even with tired legs. I mean, roll out of bed with crusty eyes and knock down 30 in a row and go right back to bed.


I'm not expecting him to turn into Olynyk or anything, but it pains me when guys don't honour him near the perimeter and stand 8 feet back from the 3 point line to let him shoot and he scrambles around for a hand off. I want to see him step up and take those shots, like Butler said, get 1 up a game.

He had a shot 3 years ago, I can only imagine it is improved since then.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread Vol. Iggy 

Post#935 » by HeatFanLifer » Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:23 am

KingDavid wrote:
MartyConlonJr wrote:I'm still convinced Bam can shoot the ball and shoot it well out to 3. I think Jimmy knows too based on his bet. Bam made 3 for 6 in the skills challenge and looked natural. You can say they were open, but they were on the run and under big lights and pressure. He has it. He made some unbelievable percentage of 3 point shots for us before he was drafted in the workouts. I remember them raving about it. I think the expectation that he can't work with an inside player and drift out a little more is wrong and I think it will be his next evolution.

He doesn't have NBA level consistency with that shot yet. Those decent 3pt shooters are automatic in practice, even with tired legs. I mean, roll out of bed with crusty eyes and knock down 30 in a row and go right back to bed.


That’s what Marty is saying tho. Bam does not have the NBA level consistency, but the potential is there for him to evolve to that level. I agree with what you both are saying and I hope we see that evolution continue.

I think Bam has that drive and it’s gonna be great to see where his career goes.

This team just needs one more good player. Hopefully Riley can secure that player this offseason. This team is ready to win.
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Post#936 » by batterybro42 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:15 am

Who remembers people trashing Spo for giving DRob so many minutes in the preseason? Feels like ages ago. Duncan is perhaps a top 5 shooter in the world today. He’s got incredible mechanics, looks like he’s poised for a long career. The tremendous thing about this team and the way it’s structured is we can lock in guys like Nunn, Bam, Herro, and Drob after we’ve signed a whale with bird rights. These guys won’t be cap casualties, they may at worst be victims of luxury tax, then it just comes down to owner commitment.

The long term outlook of what we are building is just incredible, all these guys under 25 years of age, it looks like a sustained run as a contending team with the potential to be much much better. Scary to think that these next two years will only serve as a preview of what is to come from this group as they work into the primes of their careers.
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Post#937 » by KingDavid » Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:52 am

I trashed Spo for playing drob, I think.

Incredible turnaround.
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Post#938 » by AirP. » Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:01 pm

Butler was on the JJ Redick Podcast today...

"Hell yeah, it was difficult. It was so different, and on any given day, me as a person, as a player, I didn't know who the f--k was in charge. I think that was my biggest thing. I didn't know what the f--k to expect whenever I would go into the gym, whenever I'd go into the plane, whenever I'd go into the game. I was like: 'Man.' I think I was as lost as the next motherf--ker."


The website I think go this wrong, they were talking last year so I'd assume he's talking about Minnesota, not Philly. In Minnesota Thibs was in the hot seat, Thibs absolutely would have given Butler the max as the coach and President of Basketball operations but he wasn't in charge, the owner who also told GMs to bypass the FO to talk directly to him was the issue, that whole situation was really messed up, not Phillies. It sounded exactly how I had expected it, IMO Butler didn't want to stay in such a volatile situation, he loves Thibs but probably didn't think Thibs would be there long(which he wasn't), the owner should have never went to a consultant to hire a coach he didn't mesh with. Glen Taylor needs to have a ton of input, probably one of the reasons Minnesota has been horrible for 15+ years, but to his credit, he seems to be allowing Gersson Rosas to do his job. How different of a franchise is Minnesota if Glen Taylor doesn't refuse to trade Wiggins for Butler and only trades Wiggins and Dunn (no pick swap to downgrade to LaVine) for Butler, drafts Markannan and has a starting lineup of Teague, LaVine(when he came back), Butler, Markannan, and Towns, maybe not great defensively but wow, that's an incredible offensive team.

The reason why Butler isn't in Philly, sounded like they'd give him the max but someone in the FO or higher asked if B.Brown could "control" Butler, hearing that he was done in Philly.

Butler also said it was really #)($(F up that in the 2nd round B.Brown decided to take the ball away from Simmons and give it to Butler, the reason why Butler said it was messed up was because it was completely changing how the team had played up to that point. To me(my opinion) B.Brown knew the best option was Butler with the ball, but to keep a young star happy he had kept the ball in Simmons' hands till it was time to win or go home and had Embiid not missed a game being sick, that series may not have went past 6 games.

Also Butler and JJ mention how much control the coaches have, they tell you your role and you do it, it's your job. Butler mentions Robinson having Spoelstra go off on him for attacking the basket(early on), saying you're there to shoot 3s. Both Butler and JJ mention someone may have a limited role but as the coach feels more comfortable with them, will usually expand their role.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2880333-heats-jimmy-butler-rips-76ers-i-didnt-know-who-the-f-k-was-in-charge

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Post#939 » by KingDavid » Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:36 pm

AirP. wrote:Butler was on the JJ Redick Podcast today...

"Hell yeah, it was difficult. It was so different, and on any given day, me as a person, as a player, I didn't know who the f--k was in charge. I think that was my biggest thing. I didn't know what the f--k to expect whenever I would go into the gym, whenever I'd go into the plane, whenever I'd go into the game. I was like: 'Man.' I think I was as lost as the next motherf--ker."


The website I think go this wrong, they were talking last year so I'd assume he's talking about Minnesota, not Philly. In Minnesota Thibs was in the hot seat, Thibs absolutely would have given Butler the max as the coach and President of Basketball operations but he wasn't in charge, the owner who also told GMs to bypass the FO to talk directly to him was the issue, that whole situation was really messed up, not Phillies. It sounded exactly how I had expected it, IMO Butler didn't want to stay in such a volatile situation, he loves Thibs but probably didn't think Thibs would be there long(which he wasn't), the owner should have never went to a consultant to hire a coach he didn't mesh with. Glen Taylor needs to have a ton of input, probably one of the reasons Minnesota has been horrible for 15+ years, but to his credit, he seems to be allowing Gersson Rosas to do his job. How different of a franchise is Minnesota if Glen Taylor doesn't refuse to trade Wiggins for Butler and only trades Wiggins and Dunn (no pick swap to downgrade to LaVine) for Butler, drafts Markannan and has a starting lineup of Teague, LaVine(when he came back), Butler, Markannan, and Towns, maybe not great defensively but wow, that's an incredible offensive team.

The reason why Butler isn't in Philly, sounded like they'd give him the max but someone in the FO or higher asked if B.Brown could "control" Butler, hearing that he was done in Philly.

Butler also said it was really #)($(F up that in the 2nd round B.Brown decided to take the ball away from Simmons and give it to Butler, the reason why Butler said it was messed up was because it was completely changing how the team had played up to that point. To me(my opinion) B.Brown knew the best option was Butler with the ball, but to keep a young star happy he had kept the ball in Simmons' hands till it was time to win or go home and had Embiid not missed a game being sick, that series may not have went past 6 games.

Also Butler and JJ mention how much control the coaches have, they tell you your role and you do it, it's your job. Butler mentions Robinson having Spoelstra go off on him for attacking the basket(early on), saying you're there to shoot 3s. Both Butler and JJ mention someone may have a limited role but as the coach feels more comfortable with them, will usually expand their role.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2880333-heats-jimmy-butler-rips-76ers-i-didnt-know-who-the-f-k-was-in-charge

The Podcast(Jimmy is on it at 24:20)
https://art19.com/shows/the-jj-redick-podcast/episodes/be628b35-7cca-4910-9d0b-fedc55378bde

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Post#940 » by AirP. » Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:31 pm

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