Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread IV (Must read Post 1)

[Lalouie]

What's interesting to me is that there doesn't seem to be much of a correlation between incidence and testing absence of extreme social isolation measures. Canada has been one of the top countries re testing per capita but has the same 33% per day growth rate as virtually everyone else. The only places that have avoided those increases (i.e. China post lockdown, Japan, Vietnam, etc.) are all practicing social isolation/distancing, and are also wearing masks.

Edit: I suspect growth rates will taper off in mos countries once the public gets better at things like not touching their face, regimented cleaning, social distancing, etc. Western nations just aren't accustomed to that yet.

which means universal control only helps a little. it ultimately relies on the individual to self police and i'm afraid there are many many really stupid people walking around feeling invincible. the highest death count in manhattan has been in the age group 20 > 40

amended...that's not a death rate count, that's testing positive

[PD28]

Watching the news, there are Canadians "stuck in Peru" who went there 11 days ago and want help getting out. So they went on a vacation to take advantage of prices and now want help? Nah stay there for a few months and get to know that Peru life lol

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[LKN]

What's interesting to me is that there doesn't seem to be much of a correlation between incidence and testing absence of extreme social isolation measures. Canada has been one of the top countries re testing per capita but has the same 33% per day growth rate as virtually everyone else. The only places that have avoided those increases (i.e. China post lockdown, Japan, Vietnam, etc.) are all practicing social isolation/distancing, and are also wearing masks.

Edit: I suspect growth rates will taper off in most countries once the public gets better at things like not touching their face, regimented cleaning, social distancing, etc. Western nations just aren't accustomed to that yet.

Hard to compare countries with wildly different test rates too. The only place in the US that is really doing heavy testing is NY. Canada is testing about 10x people per capita. Honestly I'm not sure I trust most US #s outside of NY

[ThumbsUpBaby]

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Some people are coping with donuts lmfao.

Thanks, I needed the laugh. The replies are freakin' gold

[Dirk]

Show this at those airports,

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[jason bourne]

swimming pool chlorine kills the virus. i wish i was living in phx with my own pool

You're welcome any time bro...bout to be pool season here! No way the virus survives 120

most of my friends are in scottsdale. i had to cancel because my seminar was cancelled. i know scottsdale like the back of my hand. i've been doing my seminar for 30yrs in old town.

yeah i can visit and we can talk about how big a fail miller has been and how miserable my bruins have been.

I've read what sound like contradictions. One says, cleaning is minimally effective. It doesn't mean it's okay to live in a pig sty but most of the time the virus does not last outside the body. OTOH, we have had the cruise passengers get it en masse. There, bleach doesn't even disinfect it enough. Even then, the specialists say it's due to person-to-person transmission. I still would clean and disinfect, but it's not the best way to combat this. That said, a cheap disinfectant is hydrogen peroxide besides the other recommended ones.

BTW I go to Scottsdale to discuss movie posters. It's a side trip for my hobby while heading down Route 66. My daughter goes to UCLA, too, and hopefully she'll make it all right coming to visit for spring break.

[bisme37]

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[LKN]

"Health officials in New York City and Los Angeles are recommending doctors avoid coronavirus testing except when result would significantly change treatment"


This is the right move....I'm just worried that we won't have an accurate case fatality rate which might leas to more careless behavior and more death

[Ainosterhaspie]

"Health officials in New York City and Los Angeles are recommending doctors avoid coronavirus testing except when result would significantly change treatment"


This is the right move....I'm just worried that we won't have an accurate case fatality rate which might leas to more careless behavior and more death

Wouldn't we see Covid like illness as a category, something like flu like illness which already happens. Numbers won't be perfect, but probably would give a reasonably accurate prediction.

[steger_3434]

32 more us deaths today. While our infected rate continues to increase rapidly, it seems our death per capita seems low. Am I thinking that right? Yes I know it can skyrocket, but just going off present day deaths


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[jason bourne]

Show this at those airports,

I would definitely not go to Italy or Spain now. It seems there is an uneven thought process for what it means to quarantine.

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Anyway, if you want something to think about listen to this China doctor about doing autopsies on dead coronavirus patients. Some researchers in the US are advocating increased abortions and want the fetus for testing. It may be illegal now. I dunno. Much smaller body parts and less dangerous I guess.

[azcatz11]

swimming pool chlorine kills the virus. i wish i was living in phx with my own pool

You're welcome any time bro...bout to be pool season here! No way the virus survives 120

most of my friends are in scottsdale. i had to cancel because my seminar was cancelled. i know scottsdale like the back of my hand. i've been doing my seminar for 30yrs in old town.

yeah i can visit and we can talk about how big a fail miller has been and how miserable my bruins have been.

Ya...when this all blows over for sure! I wanted to do a meetup a couple of years ago...my wife works at the W in Scottsdale in sales. I can get great rates on rooms for everyone. I actually had interest but maybe we'll set something up in December....

[LKN]

32 more us deaths today. While our infected rate continues to increase rapidly, it seems our death per capita seems low. Am I thinking that right? Yes I know it can skyrocket, but just going off present day deaths


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deaths lag infections by something like 25 days until the system is overloaded
I'm also fairly certain we are missing deaths due to the extremely limited testing outside of NY. Would be really curious to see overall stats on death from pneumonia and flu like illnesses

[sfernald]

This feels like WWII in the sense of businesses. There are hero businesses that have decided to help manufacture us out of this crises like Haynes, 3M, Ford, GM to make masks, protective gear etc. Then you see the worst in companies like Disney+Boeing whining about their profit losses.

Some companies are better suited to quickly switching to necessary production though. Not sure Disney is, for example.

They could put their Imagineers on solving some problems though and they would come up with amazingly brilliant designs I bet.

[LKN]

"Health officials in New York City and Los Angeles are recommending doctors avoid coronavirus testing except when result would significantly change treatment"


This is the right move....I'm just worried that we won't have an accurate case fatality rate which might leas to more careless behavior and more death

Wouldn't we see Covid like illness as a category, something like flu like illness which already happens. Numbers won't be perfect, but probably would give a reasonably accurate prediction.

Right but Joe average isn't going to think that way I don't think

[OkcSinceSGA]

This feels like WWII in the sense of businesses. There are hero businesses that have decided to help manufacture us out of this crises like Haynes, 3M, Ford, GM to make masks, protective gear etc. Then you see the worst in companies like Disney+Boeing whining about their profit losses.

Some companies are better suited to quickly switching to necessary production though. Not sure Disney is, for example.

They could put their Imagineers on solving some problems though and they would come up with amazingly brilliant designs I bet.

Or they can step up big financially? As the 13th richest company in the USA

[ItsDanger]

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People were claiming it was not airborne a month ago really do not comprehend science. Technically while it is not airborne by accepted definition, it is essentially airborne and can travel short distance, slightly more with air flow. Its really called aerosol. For example, fog is an aerosol. If you are in a bus with a symptomatic person for 30 minutes, you are at serious risk of infection.

[Ainosterhaspie]

"Health officials in New York City and Los Angeles are recommending doctors avoid coronavirus testing except when result would significantly change treatment"


This is the right move....I'm just worried that we won't have an accurate case fatality rate which might leas to more careless behavior and more death

Wouldn't we see Covid like illness as a category, something like flu like illness which already happens. Numbers won't be perfect, but probably would give a reasonably accurate prediction.

Right but Joe average isn't going to think that way I don't think

I'd like to see a public advertising campaign with leaders from both parties making statements about what we need to do. Like get Pelosi, Biden, Sanders, Trump and McConnell (that covers most major factions) and have all of them saying the same thing. If they can't all get on the same page to say "Socially isolate even if you're young and not feeling symptoms and we can all get through this if we work together", i don't know what to say.

[bwgood77]

Masks, this covers it all think

Sadly this doesn't cover everything. Unless I missed it, VERY BOLD needs to be guidelines on HOW to properly put on, wear, remove, and dispose of any mask -- and the when/timing of changing out and properly disposing of certain kinds of masks (surgical vs. N95).

If any of these are done incorrectly, masks will INCREASE the rate of transmission of CV (and any transmissible disease).

This is no different for people wearing gloves or other protective devices. Next time you are at your dentist, watch their gloved hands touch so many damn things, than back in your mouth -- it will gross you out. Of course better offices wrap handles/surfaces (but need to change them out between patients) and change out gloves OFTEN.

Also no different than all washing hands is NOT effective for cleaning hands -- the how you do it is more important (at least 20 seconds, type of soap, full scrub coverage, etc.). If you don't believe me, google how surgeons TRAIN to scrub into surgery -- all to prevent just one contaminate for 'simple' infection prevention (simple in the sense not a complex virus like CV).

Protective wear (masks, gloves, eye protection) do NOT give a cloak of immunity from the virus!!!

This details everything I believe.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks

[Metallikid]

Two things;

A bit of semantics. State or federal, either way it puts a strain on some kind of government.
Unemployment will also lead to people being less likely to spend the money they are getting, which would further hurt the economy.

That doesn't make any sense. If you're unemployed you need that money to spend on food and utilities at the very least. There is zero incentive to not spend that money right now. Unless you think unemployed people have a bunch of supplies saved up and they're gonna hold onto that cheque to take a cruise when this is all over.

What you're actually describing is exactly what rich people do when they're given tax breaks...

No, they'll spend on the essentials and only the essentials. But that isn't the problem with the economy because EVERYONE will be spending on the essentials. The issue is with other areas, for example restaurants. You think unemployed people will be ordering takeout? So that's less people supporting businesses that will already be struggling.

Dude, restaurants are screwed regardless and that's besides the places (which will keep growing) where they are shut down by government altogether. Do you think anybody is spending much money on anything besides essentials at this point? Do you even think about the statements you are making?

Plus I like how you ignored the fact that you described the exact behavior that rich people engage in when they receive tax breaks - they hoard their money instead of putting it back into the economy.