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[BballIsLife11]

Not trying to stir the pot, but what is there to support Trump on? The day people start voting with their brains and stop blindingly voting for "their" party will be a beautiful time let me tell you... Big beautiful brains

Prior to all this madness the easy answer was economy and jobs, and that cannot be questioned.
While I supported Barack, my biggest issue with him was foreign policy, specifically the Middle East. Made a lot of decisions that the typical Magic management would make. Some being: siding with Shia over Sunni. Iran nuclear deal(worse than what we traded Tobias for). Syria red line(450k people died and nothing done by the US). Gaddafi. Benghazi.
George Bush also deserves massive blame for getting involved over there in the first place.

[MagicFan101]

Not trying to stir the pot, but what is there to support Trump on? The day people start voting with their brains and stop blindingly voting for "their" party will be a beautiful time let me tell you... Big beautiful brains

Prior to all this madness the easy answer was economy and jobs, and that cannot be questioned.

Oh, that most certainly can be questioned.

Only a fool with little understanding of the economy gives ultimate credit (or blame) to the POTUS. This is far more complicated than that and the POTUS is really more of a figurehead role than people want to realize.

[orlando_joe]

this site has gone way way over the edge...tds is out of control

[BballIsLife11]

Not trying to stir the pot, but what is there to support Trump on? The day people start voting with their brains and stop blindingly voting for "their" party will be a beautiful time let me tell you... Big beautiful brains

Prior to all this madness the easy answer was economy and jobs, and that cannot be questioned.

Oh, that most certainly can be questioned.

Only a fool with little understanding of the economy gives ultimate credit (or blame) to the POTUS. This is far more complicated than that and the POTUS is really more of a figurehead role than people want to realize.

So what was the reasoning behind it then?
Nothing to do with deregulation, business tax cuts, consumer confidence?

[Gomagic44]

Wow, wow. Obama made lots of mistakes on foreign policy and that was a reason I voted for Trump over Clinton...but siding with the Shia over the Sunni was a mistake? How do you figure? The main Sunni government we support is Saudi Arabia. The place most the hijackers are from. What did Iran ever do to us that compared to 9/11? The hostage crisis? How are we supposed to support the sunnis in Iraq after toppling their autocrat in Saddam who brutalized the majority? We support the oppressive Sunni government in Bahrain which sent in Saudi tanks to massacre the Shia majority.

I'm not saying we should always support Shia over Sunni but that is not a criticism that I understand.

We also gave massive amounts of money to al quieda in Syria. Then there was Islamic State which is also Sunni.

I wish we just stopped getting ourselves into the quagmire that is the middle east but I question at least once a week why we are so buddy buddy with the Saudis and why we pick the sunnis over the Shia.

Not trying to stir the pot, but what is there to support Trump on? The day people start voting with their brains and stop blindingly voting for "their" party will be a beautiful time let me tell you... Big beautiful brains

Prior to all this madness the easy answer was economy and jobs, and that cannot be questioned.
While I supported Barack, my biggest issue with him was foreign policy, specifically the Middle East. Made a lot of decisions that the typical Magic management would make. Some being: siding with Shia over Sunni. Iran nuclear deal(worse than what we traded Tobias for). Syria red line(450k people died and nothing done by the US). Gaddafi. Benghazi.
George Bush also deserves massive blame for getting involved over there in the first place.

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[spinedoc]

Prior to all this madness the easy answer was economy and jobs, and that cannot be questioned.

Oh, that most certainly can be questioned.

Only a fool with little understanding of the economy gives ultimate credit (or blame) to the POTUS. This is far more complicated than that and the POTUS is really more of a figurehead role than people want to realize.

So what was the reasoning behind it then?
Nothing to do with deregulation, business tax cuts, consumer confidence?

Its the same linear growth line from the crash in '08. We have had a 10 year bull market. Anyone in the stock market could tell you that. Yes, it was juiced by de-regulation, but negative things come from that as well. The debt was growing again, when it was coming down during Obama. Like I said, I knew this year was going to be a rough one, I didn't expect a pandemic however. But, it was obvious that a bear market was coming. Over 1300 CEO's were replaced in this last year. Some removed sure, like the CEO of McDonald's, but many took a buyout and left to leave their legacy in tact.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/why-have-more-1-000-ceos-left-their-post-past-n1076201

[BballIsLife11]

Wow, wow. Obama made lots of mistakes on foreign policy and that was a reason I voted for Trump over Clinton...but siding with the Shia over the Sunni was a mistake? How do you figure? The main Sunni government we support is Saudi Arabia. The place most the hijackers are from. What did Iran ever do to us that compared to 9/11? The hostage crisis? How are we supposed to support the sunnis in Iraq after toppling their autocrat in Saddam who brutalized the majority? We support the oppressive Sunni government in Bahrain which sent in Saudi tanks to massacre the Shia majority.

I'm not saying we should always support Shia over Sunni but that is not a criticism that I understand.

We also gave massive amounts of money to al quieda in Syria. Then there was Islamic State which is also Sunni.

I wish we just stopped getting ourselves into the quagmire that is the middle east but I question at least once a week why we are so buddy buddy with the Saudis and why we pick the sunnis over the Shia.

Not trying to stir the pot, but what is there to support Trump on? The day people start voting with their brains and stop blindingly voting for "their" party will be a beautiful time let me tell you... Big beautiful brains

Prior to all this madness the easy answer was economy and jobs, and that cannot be questioned.
While I supported Barack, my biggest issue with him was foreign policy, specifically the Middle East. Made a lot of decisions that the typical Magic management would make. Some being: siding with Shia over Sunni. Iran nuclear deal(worse than what we traded Tobias for). Syria red line(450k people died and nothing done by the US). Gaddafi. Benghazi.
George Bush also deserves massive blame for getting involved over there in the first place.

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It would be better to not show support for either tbh, but to me personally I consider the Sunnis the lesser of two evils. So we can agree to disagree on that.

[BballIsLife11]

Oh, that most certainly can be questioned.

Only a fool with little understanding of the economy gives ultimate credit (or blame) to the POTUS. This is far more complicated than that and the POTUS is really more of a figurehead role than people want to realize.

So what was the reasoning behind it then?
Nothing to do with deregulation, business tax cuts, consumer confidence?

Its the same linear growth line from the crash in '08. We have had a 10 year bull market. Anyone in the stock market could tell you that. Yes, it was juiced by de-regulation, but negative things come from that as well. The debt was growing again, when it was coming down during Obama. Like I said, I knew this year was going to be a rough one, I didn't expect a pandemic however. But, it was obvious that a bear market was coming. Over 1300 CEO's were replaced in this last year. Some removed sure, like the CEO of McDonald's, but many took a buyout and left to leave their legacy in tact.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/why-have-more-1-000-ceos-left-their-post-past-n1076201

The debt during Obama’s presidency went from $10.6t to $19.9t. So I’m not sure what you mean by your statement above.
My biggest issue with Trumps presidency is his spending, he spends like a liberal.

[MagicFan101]

Prior to all this madness the easy answer was economy and jobs, and that cannot be questioned.

Oh, that most certainly can be questioned.

Only a fool with little understanding of the economy gives ultimate credit (or blame) to the POTUS. This is far more complicated than that and the POTUS is really more of a figurehead role than people want to realize.

So what was the reasoning behind it then?
Nothing to do with deregulation, business tax cuts, consumer confidence?

Stop listening to InfoWars, Fox News or the Donald himself. Go look up actual trend lines since the Great Depression for key segments of unemployment, wages and other metrics across each demographic.

You will start seeing that the economy is above the squabbles of Obama vs. Trump and moves right along ... until COVID-19 hits.

I’m not going to give you an MBA here today. You will have study yourself to understand why this is true but it isn’t hard to look at the fact and see what I’m saying.


$$$$$ >>>>> Politics.

[BballIsLife11]

Oh, that most certainly can be questioned.

Only a fool with little understanding of the economy gives ultimate credit (or blame) to the POTUS. This is far more complicated than that and the POTUS is really more of a figurehead role than people want to realize.

So what was the reasoning behind it then?
Nothing to do with deregulation, business tax cuts, consumer confidence?

Stop listening to InfoWars, Fox News or the Donald himself. Go look up actual trend lines since the Great Depression for key segments of unemployment, wages and other metrics across each demographic.

You will start seeing that the economy is above the squabbles of Obama vs. Trump and moves right along ... until COVID-19 hits.

Thankfully I don’t watch any of that BS along with all other cable news networks. You can look up trend lines all you want but the fundamentals of this economy are stronger than they have ever been in my lifetime, which is why I think we will recover fairly quickly from this. But time will be the judge on that.
Lowering the business tax rate was huge. Deregulation on a parallel path making it easier for companies is equally as important.

[BballIsLife11]

Oh, that most certainly can be questioned.

Only a fool with little understanding of the economy gives ultimate credit (or blame) to the POTUS. This is far more complicated than that and the POTUS is really more of a figurehead role than people want to realize.

So what was the reasoning behind it then?
Nothing to do with deregulation, business tax cuts, consumer confidence?

Stop listening to InfoWars, Fox News or the Donald himself. Go look up actual trend lines since the Great Depression for key segments of unemployment, wages and other metrics across each demographic.

You will start seeing that the economy is above the squabbles of Obama vs. Trump and moves right along ... until COVID-19 hits.

I’m not going to give you an MBA here today. You will have study yourself to understand why this is true but it isn’t hard to look at the fact and see what I’m saying.


$$$$$ >>>>> Politics.

Additionally why in every discussion with someone on the left or that has tds must they always say Fox News Fox News?? Gotta come better than that ish. Weak.

[spinedoc]

So what was the reasoning behind it then?
Nothing to do with deregulation, business tax cuts, consumer confidence?

Its the same linear growth line from the crash in '08. We have had a 10 year bull market. Anyone in the stock market could tell you that. Yes, it was juiced by de-regulation, but negative things come from that as well. The debt was growing again, when it was coming down during Obama. Like I said, I knew this year was going to be a rough one, I didn't expect a pandemic however. But, it was obvious that a bear market was coming. Over 1300 CEO's were replaced in this last year. Some removed sure, like the CEO of McDonald's, but many took a buyout and left to leave their legacy in tact.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/why-have-more-1-000-ceos-left-their-post-past-n1076201

The debt during Obama’s presidency went from $10.6t to $19.9t. So I’m not sure what you mean by your statement above.
My biggest issue with Trumps presidency is his spending, he spends like a liberal.

Here, you need to read this. The rate of spending was on a downward slope after the first year, which was the bail out. Its all negative numbers, but still different sizes of negative numbers. Your perception is wrong. As we say, we don't like tax and spend liberals, at least they are better than tax cut and spend conservatives. Its tough to run a business if you cut revenue like that, even harder to run a government.
https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-under-obama-3306293

[spinedoc]

So what was the reasoning behind it then?
Nothing to do with deregulation, business tax cuts, consumer confidence?

Stop listening to InfoWars, Fox News or the Donald himself. Go look up actual trend lines since the Great Depression for key segments of unemployment, wages and other metrics across each demographic.

You will start seeing that the economy is above the squabbles of Obama vs. Trump and moves right along ... until COVID-19 hits.

Thankfully I don’t watch any of that BS along with all other cable news networks. You can look up trend lines all you want but the fundamentals of this economy are stronger than they have ever been in my lifetime, which is why I think we will recover fairly quickly from this. But time will be the judge on that.
Lowering the business tax rate was huge. Deregulation on a parallel path making it easier for companies is equally as important.

LOL, what are you 20? Its not the truth at all. Trump did not have the greatest economy in the history of this country. Its rhetoric that you gobble up. There have been other better economies. Why is it always the best ever with narcissists?

[BballIsLife11]

Stop listening to InfoWars, Fox News or the Donald himself. Go look up actual trend lines since the Great Depression for key segments of unemployment, wages and other metrics across each demographic.

You will start seeing that the economy is above the squabbles of Obama vs. Trump and moves right along ... until COVID-19 hits.

Thankfully I don’t watch any of that BS along with all other cable news networks. You can look up trend lines all you want but the fundamentals of this economy are stronger than they have ever been in my lifetime, which is why I think we will recover fairly quickly from this. But time will be the judge on that.
Lowering the business tax rate was huge. Deregulation on a parallel path making it easier for companies is equally as important.

LOL, what are you 20? Its not the truth at all. Trump did not have the greatest economy in the history of this country. Its rhetoric that you gobble up. There have been other better economies. Why is it always the best ever with narcissists?

Since 1980 when has the economy been better than it was 2 months ago?

[spinedoc]

Thankfully I don’t watch any of that BS along with all other cable news networks. You can look up trend lines all you want but the fundamentals of this economy are stronger than they have ever been in my lifetime, which is why I think we will recover fairly quickly from this. But time will be the judge on that.
Lowering the business tax rate was huge. Deregulation on a parallel path making it easier for companies is equally as important.

LOL, what are you 20? Its not the truth at all. Trump did not have the greatest economy in the history of this country. Its rhetoric that you gobble up. There have been other better economies. Why is it always the best ever with narcissists?

Since 1980 when has the economy been better than it was 2 months ago?

I'll answer your question, but you should really start doing some of your own research. Just thinking its one way or another is not a good way to go through life. Here is a chart of the GDP's since the great depression. As MF101 said it has been a steady climb since then for nominal GDP, but you have to look at the actual growth rate. I count a total of 24 years it was better than in 2019.
https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543

Edit: Excuse me, not counting Trump's first two years in office which were better than last year too.

[MagicFan101]

Basically, if there is enough money to be had by filming it together you will find a Bernie Sanders and Ted Cruz sex tape.

Politics means nothing if enough money is to be had. Never kid yourself into thinking otherwise.

The economy will always be above politics.

[BballIsLife11]

LOL, what are you 20? Its not the truth at all. Trump did not have the greatest economy in the history of this country. Its rhetoric that you gobble up. There have been other better economies. Why is it always the best ever with narcissists?

Since 1980 when has the economy been better than it was 2 months ago?

I'll answer your question, but you should really start doing some of your own research. Just thinking its one way or another is not a good way to go through life. Here is a chart of the GDP's since the great depression. As MF101 said it has been a steady climb since then for nominal GDP, but you have to look at the actual growth rate. I count a total of 24 years it was better than in 2019.
https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543

Edit: Excuse me, not counting Trump's first two years in office which were better than last year too.

Is GDP that #1 stat in your opinion then? No doubt it is one of the top ones but definitely is not the total picture of things.
What are your thoughts on his trade policies then? Approve of the new NAFTA, and what he is doing with China?
Side thought. I consider unemployment rate a flawed stat that people reference way too much. Labor participation is the more appropriate one.

[MagicFan101]

Since 1980 when has the economy been better than it was 2 months ago?

I'll answer your question, but you should really start doing some of your own research. Just thinking its one way or another is not a good way to go through life. Here is a chart of the GDP's since the great depression. As MF101 said it has been a steady climb since then for nominal GDP, but you have to look at the actual growth rate. I count a total of 24 years it was better than in 2019.
https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543

Edit: Excuse me, not counting Trump's first two years in office which were better than last year too.

Is GDP that #1 stat in your opinion then? No doubt it is one of the top ones but definitely is not the total picture of things.
What are your thoughts on his trade policies then? Approve of the new NAFTA, and what he is doing with China?
Side thought. I consider unemployment rate a flawed stat that people reference way too much. Labor participation is the more appropriate one.

Along with GDP ... Go look at unemployment, wages and nearly any other metric you wish.

** any true unemployment stat only takes into account those looking for work.

The upward trends start as we are coming out of the Great Recession and just continue right on through. Neither Obama nor Trump have much impact on swaying this momentum. Only COVID-19 does. ... because neither is a king.

The only segment / demographic which seems to be impacted by the change in POTUS is pockets of the African American community which you can either say are severely hurt by Trump or overly biased by Obama and corrected by Trump.

[spinedoc]

Since 1980 when has the economy been better than it was 2 months ago?

I'll answer your question, but you should really start doing some of your own research. Just thinking its one way or another is not a good way to go through life. Here is a chart of the GDP's since the great depression. As MF101 said it has been a steady climb since then for nominal GDP, but you have to look at the actual growth rate. I count a total of 24 years it was better than in 2019.
https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543

Edit: Excuse me, not counting Trump's first two years in office which were better than last year too.

Is GDP that #1 stat in your opinion then? No doubt it is one of the top ones but definitely is not the total picture of things.
What are your thoughts on his trade policies then? Approve of the new NAFTA, and what he is doing with China?
Side thought. I consider unemployment rate a flawed stat that people reference way too much. Labor participation is the more appropriate one.

Yes, I look at growth rate and deficits. Sometimes its okay to use high deficits in my mind, depending on the circumstances. Bailing out the banks so peoples' savings don't go up in smoke, infrastructure for the betterment of the economy, and times of emergency like a pandemic are some examples. I do approve of the new NAFTA, there are better labor laws that benefit the U.S. worker. I opposed getting out of TPP, it would have put much more restrictions on China and kept them in check. I don't like tariffs, and being a red blooded conservative, you shouldn't like them either. Tariffs are taxes that are distributed to the american consumer. See? I'm not the biggest liberal ever. I was a proud independent who voted for members of both parties. There was a time where I felt divided government was good. I liked it when congress was a different party than the president. It meant that they had to compromise and find most of us in the middle where we all agreed. That was a different time. I don't know if I would vote a Republican in for dog catcher now, even if he was my cousin and I owed him money.

[spinedoc]

I'll answer your question, but you should really start doing some of your own research. Just thinking its one way or another is not a good way to go through life. Here is a chart of the GDP's since the great depression. As MF101 said it has been a steady climb since then for nominal GDP, but you have to look at the actual growth rate. I count a total of 24 years it was better than in 2019.
https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543

Edit: Excuse me, not counting Trump's first two years in office which were better than last year too.

Is GDP that #1 stat in your opinion then? No doubt it is one of the top ones but definitely is not the total picture of things.
What are your thoughts on his trade policies then? Approve of the new NAFTA, and what he is doing with China?
Side thought. I consider unemployment rate a flawed stat that people reference way too much. Labor participation is the more appropriate one.

Along with GDP ... Go look at unemployment, wages and nearly any other metric you wish.

** any true unemployment stat only takes into account those looking for work.

The upward trends start as we are coming out of the Great Recession and just continue right on through. Neither Obama nor Trump have much impact on swaying this momentum. Only COVID-19 does. ... because neither is a king.

The only segment / demographic which seems to be impacted by the change in POTUS is pockets of the African American community which you can either say are severely hurt by Trump or overly biased by Obama and corrected by Trump.

True. There are other factors that can skew it as well, like having an anti-immigration platform for government. If you cut down on those coming in looking for work, that too has an effect. An aging population is another, but you're right, its about how many people looking for work. Unemployment is like a temperature gauge, only when it hits a certain mark should you worry and look for reasons why.