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[spinedoc]

Anyone else see the coronavirus briefing? The President just put out a propaganda video on the public dime. I have never seen anything like that in my lifetime, we have officially hit a new low. Trump even made Fauci walk back his comments on Sunday. He wants credit for saving millions of lives, unbelievable. Everything he did was perfect, no self reflection at all, but perfect. You have got to be kidding me. Then, he goes on about how he has complete authority to re-open the country, when before he had to defer to the states to impose restrictions. This guy is losing it. Trump is suffering from some pathology, its disturbing to watch, and how is it that not all of us can see it? Its Orwellian.

it was friggin awsome! put the press and dems in there place...lol

Really? You know its going to unravel on him right? All that crap was taken out of context on a very dubious timeline. And another thing, don't complain that the Kool-aid is grape, it hides the bitter taste better.

[Bensational]

That is a nice pipe dream. We all know that taxes will most likely be heavily levied against the middle class.

You call it a nice pipe dream, but then you're against Bernie who was the biggest champion for shifting the burden of tax responsibility onto corporations? I think you've got some soul searching to do. You're a bleeding heart socialist at the core!

Question? Do you live in the USA or Australia? I forgot.

Anyways, I like many of Bernies ideas. But, he won't talk about how he won't heavily tax the middle class aa well. Because, only taxing the rich will never happen in this country due to all politicians getting most of their money from the rich and lobbyists. Hence, most of Bernies ideas will never see the light of day.

It seems to me that in a Bernie society, a Programmer or Engineer with a masters degree will make maybe $10-20k more per year than a McDonalds worker. He really does admire Castro and Stalinism. He would be the master of flattening the curve. What would be the use of trying to achieve your dreams of that huge house or bettering yourself at that point. But, if Socialism in Bernies view ends up happening, I won't be very mad, I will just be a witness to a changing society.

But, I sure do like some of his ideas, just don't know how he can make anything happen realistically, because no way Congress or even the Supreme Court will allow most of what he wants to actually happen. What would really happen in the end is "shifting the majority of the burden to the middle class"

I'm Australian and living there at the moment, but I'm in the US frequently for work.

Bernie isn't as extreme as Castro or Stalin. He really just seems like someone who wants to level the playing field. A lot of Bernie's ideas start first and foremost with large corporations and the wealthy as a means to lighten the burden on the middle class, and to do so by providing free services like universal health and free education. Think about the cost of those alone through the current private system for a middle class person; heavy debt and possible bankruptcy potential. Alleviate the overhanging expenses of those, remove student loan repayments, add the savings on expensive health insurance policies and the middle class are more likely to come out ahead. Remember, the top 10% of US household incomes have 70% of the wealth of the US. They can afford to cover the gap for the middle class and poor and then some.

The other big intent of Bernie's measures on large corporations would be a dilution of power, even amongst that tier of society. That's a healthy thing, particularly when it comes to media, but especially when it comes to policy and political influence.

You fear these measures falling on you, but the burden has already been shifted to the middle class and working class in your current system. Corporations and high end earners aren't paying for it. The only way to improve it is to make them pay for it by paying a fair share of tax, which is what Bernie was all about.

But I don't see how any of these changes will happen without the full force of a revolution. Maybe the longer covid goes on, the more people will see value in having community services which support them, and that will be enough to start tipping some more measures through. I'm doubtful, though. The last few decades have been a slow etching away of people's rights whilst they've been disillusioned into protecting things that don't matter to them.

[spinedoc]

Yeah, I see very interesting parallels of inherent racism that spinedoc is talking about, but that seems more a tool for control than a principle value.

Personally, I think that capitalistic nature is what drives conservative opinion. It's about maximising the value of the self to provide security for that self, even if at the expense of others. In fact, capitalism demands 'success' come at the expense of other people. For someone to go with, someone has to go without. The USA is trying to straddle two different worlds. With the dollar and so many larger corporations, they're set up for a role of bal dominance via management and services, like the UK were for many years. Those countries manufacture little, so the true exploitation doesn't happen onshore. They import everything from countries that are happy to pay their workers pennies. This means they don't have as much disparity between the 'working class' and the general white collar workers, because even the working class are afforded better wages there. Meanwhile in the US, you've got people celebrating a secured $15/hr wage for an adult in 2020. I was being paid $15/hr as a teenager working part-time in high school.

That, to me, is where the conservatives really latched on to slavery and the racist undertones spinedoc is talking about - because the exploitation of free labour from slaves made their lives better economically. Ever since human rights started spreading around the world, capitalism has done everything it can to circumvent that. Indentured slavery, migrant slavery, prison slavery - they're all ways to regain the free labour lost to human rights. Religion, politics, credit/debt, etc have all just become tools to control the masses to steer them towards being mindless sheep who only worry about themselves and don't question authority.

Lastly, I just want to add one note about our own Orlando Magic. Owned by the DeVos family of Amway, a group that preyed on working and middle-class Americans, robbing them blind whilst encouraging them to do the same to their families and friends. Amway has sent thousands of people into bankruptcy. Despite ruining so many lives, they still think of themselves as good people of God. So much so that they have spent over $200M supporting the Republican party since the 70's, and bought themselves so much influence that Betsy DeVos is now in a cabinet.

That is the state of politics in the USA right there. A corporation set up to exploit millions of people became so profitable and powerful that they purchased freedoms for themselves at the expense of the rest of the country. They even opened the door for more MLMs and pyramid schemes to continue in their wake.

Interesting, I don't disagree. Yeah, I see capitalism in there as far as getting the cheapest labor as possible. Entrepreneur spirit can be seen there I suppose, but I just want to point out a couple things. Indentured servants worked off their debt, they were not owned in the literal sense. Many groups of people have been mistreated in this country, African Americans don't have a monopoly on that. Indentured servants were other groups of Europeans who were taken advantage of, made to go into huge debt for the trip over here, getting them a job (coal mines as example), making them shop at their on site store at inflated prices. This caused them to become more in debt, and they therefore had to work off more time than they should have. The Irish come to mind, very mistreated at the time. Made to work in unsafe conditions, and virtually owned by the company store, but still not the same. Also, once their obligation was done, they were full citizens. Slaves were 3/5ths of a person, not quite apples to apples. Now, you still get a lot of Irish jokes because of that history, but not the looks and mistreatment as you would a person of color. Hey, the same goes for Asians working on the railroad, Italians who still get called WOP(without papers) in certain communities, Polack jokes are still abound as well. The list goes on. Many people were treated different based on when and how they came here, but slavery is something you don't overcome lightly. As far as the part in bold, Its only a tool if you are the one using it. The people who vote that way because of it can be considered racists.

[Bensational]

Yeah, I see very interesting parallels of inherent racism that spinedoc is talking about, but that seems more a tool for control than a principle value.

Interesting, I don't disagree. Yeah, I see capitalism in there as far as getting the cheapest labor as possible. Entrepreneur spirit can be seen there I suppose, but I just want to point out a couple things. Indentured servants worked off their debt, they were not owned in the literal sense. Many groups of people have been mistreated in this country, African Americans don't have a monopoly on that. Indentured servants were other groups of Europeans who were taken advantage of, made to go into huge debt for the trip over here, getting them a job (coal mines as example), making them shop at their on site store at inflated prices. This caused them to become more in debt, and they therefore had to work off more time than they should have. The Irish come to mind, very mistreated at the time. Made to work in unsafe conditions, and virtually owned by the company store, but still not the same. Also, once their obligation was done, they were full citizens. Slaves were 3/5ths of a person, not quite apples to apples. Now, you still get a lot of Irish jokes because of that history, but not the looks and mistreatment as you would a person of color. Hey, the same goes for Asians working on the railroad, Italians who still get called WOP(without papers) in certain communities, Polack jokes are still abound as well. The list goes on. Many people were treated different based on when and how they came here, but slavery is something you don't overcome lightly. As far as the part in bold, Its only a tool if you are the one using it. The people who vote that way because of it can be considered racists.

Oh yeah, I'm aware of the difference in distinction, I was just pointing to them as an evolution of slavery operating in a 'free' world that respects human rights. Indentured slavery is just documented proof that someone voluntarily entered into conditions that would otherwise be advised against, in return for some kind of exchange. It's very different to the brutality of slavery, but it's comparably as efficient in terms of control and exploitation. They may be full citizens after, but they'll have been given a pretty damning sense of their place in the world. Sometimes so much so that they sign up for more of the same, like some kind of stockholm sydnrome.

It's like all the illegal immigrant workers in the US who Trump wants to kick out, who were the only ones taking the $1 an hour under-the-table manual labour jobs that allowed so many industries in America to remain profitable (agriculture and food in particular). They take the work because it's all they can get without legal documentation, even though the work is dangerous and barely paid. If they speak up and ask for better conditions they risk being deported. If not, someone else will take the opportunity because they're so starved for it.

That's a form of modern slavery. Again, it's not the same as what it was around the civil war, but it's still a brutal standard of living happening right inside the country that prides itself on being the land of the free.

[nymets1]

Last night's numbers as of 9:30 pm from bing.com/covid

USA-558,768 confirmed cases(+24,868 increase), Recoveries- 32,904(+1000 increase), Deaths- 22,021(+1430 increase)
New York- 188,694 confirmed cases(+7381 increase), Recoveries- 17,089(+855 increase)
New Jersey- 61,850 confirmed cases(+3699 increase)
Mass- 25,475(+4501 increase)
Michigan- 24,638(+645 increase)
Penn- 22,833(+2854 increase)
California- 21,794(+420 increase)
Illinois- 20,852(+1672 increase)
Louisana- 20,595(+581 increase)
Florida- 19,918(+932 increase)
Texas- 13,484(+432 increase)
Georgia- 12,550(+391 increase)
Connecticut- 11,510
Washington- 10,411(+187 increase)

Spain- 166,831 confirmed cases(+522 increase), Recoveries- 62,391(+3282 increase)
Italy- 156,363 confirmed cases(+2415 increase), Recoveries- 34,211(+1677 increase)
Germany- 127,854 confirmed cases(+1366 increase), Recoveries- 52,889(+1036 increase)

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

USA- 560,425 confirmed cases, Recoveries- 32,634, Deaths- 22,105
New York- 189,415 confirmed cases(+7400 increase)
New Jersey- 61,850 confirmed cases(+3699 increase)
Mass- 25,475 confirmed cases(+4501 increase)
Michigan- 24,638 confirmed cases(+645 increase)
Penn- 22,920 confirmed cases(+2900 increase)
California- 23,177 confirmed cases(+1383 increase)
Illinois- 20,852 confirmed cases (+1672 increase)
Louisana- 20,595 confirmed cases(+581 increase)
Florida- 19,985 confirmed cases(+1000 increase)
Texas- 13,640 confirmed cases(+600 increase)
Georgia- 12,550 confirmed cases(+391 increase)
Connecticut- 12,035 confirmed cases(+1497 increase)
Washington- 10,632 confirmed cases(+400 increase)

Michigan, Lousiana, Texas and Georgia had a good day with new cases under 1000 each. Louisana now has 2 straight days.
Washington has 10 straight days of low increase in new confirmed cases

Today's numbers as of 9pm from bing.com/covid

USA- 586,057 confirmed cases(+16,556 increase), Recoveries- 43,637(+10,733 increase), Deaths- 23,604(+1583 increase)
New York- 195,459 confirmed cases (+6000 increase), Recoveries- 23,887(+6798 increase)
New Jersey- 64,584 confirmed cases (+1531 increase)
Mass- 26,867 confirmed cases (+1392 increase), Recoveries- 4316
Michigan- 25,635 confirmed cases (+997 increase)
Penn- 24,199 confirmed cases (+2544 increase)
California- 23,915 confirmed cases (+1926 increase)
Illinois- 22,025 confirmed cases (+1173 increase)
Florida- 21,019 confirmed cases(+1101 increase)
Louisana- 21,016 confirmed cases(+421 increase)
Texas- 13,906 confirmed cases(+167 increase), Recoveries- 2269
Georgia- 13,621 confirmed cases(+1074 increase)
Connecticut- 13,381 confirmed cases(+3597 increase)
Washington- 10,411 confirmed cases(+187 increase)

Spain- 170,099 confirmed cases(+932 increase), Recoveries- 64,727(+2336 increase)
Italy- 159,516 confirmed cases(+1929 increase), Recoveries- 35,435(+1224 increase)
France- 136,779 confirmed cases(+40,844 increase), Recoveries- 27,718(+532 increase)
Germany- 130,072 confirmed cases, Recoveries- 57,259(+4370 increase)

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

USA- 586,866 confirmed cases(+26,566 increase), Recoveries- 36,254, Deaths- 23,621
New York- 195,655 confirmed cases(+6240 increase)
New Jersey- 64,584 confirmed cases(+2734 increase)
Mass- 26,867 confirmed cases (+1392 increase)
Michigan- 25,635 confirmed cases(+997 increase)
Penn- 24,292 confirmed cases(+1372 increase)
California- 24,139 confirmed cases(+962 increase)
Illinois- 22,025 confirmed cases(+1173 increase)
Florida- 21,019 confirmed cases(+1121 increase)
Louisana- 21,016 confirmed cases(+421 increase)
Texas- 14,277 confirmed cases(+637 increase)
Georgia- 13,621 confirmed cases(+1071 increase)
Connecticut- 13,381 confirmed cases(+1346 increase)
Washington- 10,703 confirmed cases(+173 increase)

1. USA went over 10,000 recoveries today!! WO
2. USA probably reaches 600,000 confirmed cases on Tuesday
3. New York probably reaches 200,000 confirmed cases on Tuesday
4. Louisana now has 3 straight days of low increase in new confirmed cases
5. Washington now has 11 straight days of low increase in new confirmed cases
6. Texas now has 2 straight days of low increase in new confirmed cases
7. Connecticut keeps rising in new confirmed cases each day, They are not their peak. Different numbers from bing and worldometers but clearly Connecticut had over 1000 new confirmed cases today.
8. France had a huge jump today with over 40,000 new confirmed cases today that's unacceptable
9. Germany had over 4000 recoveries today
10. Why does BING still show Florida with 0 recoveries? We have had plenty of people that recovered by now.

[nymets1]

Back to Covid, does anybody think we have reached our peak at this juncture or does anybody think that daily numbers will increase? If we have reached our peak, does anyone think daily numbers will drop and when. Me, I think we are close to peak and may stay around that for another 2 weeks before dropping, hopefully, if we stay on the path of keeping people at home. I just think that alot of people are going to be losing homes soon. I noticed alot of housing becoming cheaper already.

i think we may have reached a peak, but if we go back to business as normal, i could see it rise again

Some states have reached their peak or have dropped from their peak( New York, Washington, Louisana, Texas)

Connecticut had over 1000 new confirmed cases today and that's a small state, They definetly not at the peak

Florida, Mass, Michigan, Penn, Illinois and Georgia are going better each day but these 6 states I don't think have reached their peak yet. Florida will be fine, We'll be 90 degree temperatures every day going forward through August. Viruses don't do well in temperatures of 90's and humidity in the 100's.

[Optimus_Steel]

Decades of propaganda have allowed the wealthy & large corporations to convince everyday people to make economic arguments that only help rich people not people in their status. It's quite a ruse they have been able to pull off.

Same thing with healthcare, heath insurance executives have used deception arguments, creating fear to protect a system that makes them large profits, and they've convinced everyday people to make arguments on their behalf to protect the health insurance companies profit margins while they undermine their own health and financial stability for themselves and their families.

[spinedoc]

Back to Covid, does anybody think we have reached our peak at this juncture or does anybody think that daily numbers will increase? If we have reached our peak, does anyone think daily numbers will drop and when. Me, I think we are close to peak and may stay around that for another 2 weeks before dropping, hopefully, if we stay on the path of keeping people at home. I just think that alot of people are going to be losing homes soon. I noticed alot of housing becoming cheaper already.

i think we may have reached a peak, but if we go back to business as normal, i could see it rise again

Some states have reached their peak or have dropped from their peak( New York, Washington, Louisana, Texas)

Connecticut had over 1000 new confirmed cases today and that's a small state, They definetly not at the peak

Florida, Mass, Michigan, Penn, Illinois and Georgia are going better each day but these 6 states I don't think have reached their peak yet. Florida will be fine, We'll be 90 degree temperatures every day going forward through August. Viruses don't do well in temperatures of 90's and humidity in the 100's.

We don't know that yet. Yes, typically that is true, mostly with Influenza. True, viruses don't like heat, but this is a novel virus. We have no herd immunity yet. As long as it has new hosts that have never seen it, it will keep infecting people and replicating. Its not just the heat that is a factor here. Increased sunlight and more vitamin D helps boost immunity, vs colder environments which decrease immunity. Also, more outdoor activity vs being crammed together indoors is another factor. Both of those things work in favor of your argument, but a brand new virus is special, and this isn't the flu. I hope you are right, but we don't know yet. The science is divided and we'll have to see what happens.

[JF5]

Anyone else see the coronavirus briefing? The President just put out a propaganda video on the public dime. I have never seen anything like that in my lifetime, we have officially hit a new low. Trump even made Fauci walk back his comments on Sunday. He wants credit for saving millions of lives, unbelievable. Everything he did was perfect, no self reflection at all, but perfect. You have got to be kidding me. Then, he goes on about how he has complete authority to re-open the country, when before he had to defer to the states to impose restrictions. This guy is losing it. Trump is suffering from some pathology, its disturbing to watch, and how is it that not all of us can see it? Its Orwellian.

it was friggin awsome! put the press and dems in there place...lol

Really? You know its going to unravel on him right? All that crap was taken out of context on a very dubious timeline. And another thing, don't complain that the Kool-aid is grape, it hides the bitter taste better.

It was absolutely atrocious... 20 million people unemployed. We're at the height of the crisis not knowing what the hell is going on and this man turned around and made it about himself.

I couldn't believe how self centered a person could be in a middle of a damn pandemic. I saw a lot of his supporters applaud him and it just all clicked for me. This isn't about finding solutions it's about getting into endless arguments that don't go anywhere when it comes to actual progress. This whole situation demonstrated why the US is falling behind in so many arenas from Innovation to education. You're so busy trying to a point and wanting your grievances to be heard nothing else that is of importance matters. This country has a lot of tools to become so much better. But it comes down to the people to hold accountability personally and abroad. I just don't see it right now.

[Def Swami]

Anyone else see the coronavirus briefing? The President just put out a propaganda video on the public dime. I have never seen anything like that in my lifetime, we have officially hit a new low. Trump even made Fauci walk back his comments on Sunday. He wants credit for saving millions of lives, unbelievable. Everything he did was perfect, no self reflection at all, but perfect. You have got to be kidding me. Then, he goes on about how he has complete authority to re-open the country, when before he had to defer to the states to impose restrictions. This guy is losing it. Trump is suffering from some pathology, its disturbing to watch, and how is it that not all of us can see it? Its Orwellian.

I don't watch those press briefings anymore. It's a shame because I'd like to know how we're doing as a country and learn something. But, they're so uninformative and useless. It's a clown show in a moment of crisis. Thousands of people are sick and dying in the country, and it feels like there's no accountability or leadership. This isn't even a red vs blue thing. This is just about the qualities you would want out of your leader. At this point, I only really pay attention to what Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx have to say.

[Tarheel]

It's interesting to watch as we in the UK have close to the same situation - a government refusing to self reflect or admit any mistake in the process despite locking down too late, not having enough medical supplies or critical care capacity and the Prime Minister himself being taken into the ICU. We're on course for the worst death rate in Europe and the in the briefing yesterday they literally said 'the plan is working'.

I would recommend watching Macron's speech from the weekend for an example of humble, honest leadership in times of national struggle.

The snippet of good news from the UK is that as of last week we now have a capable, electable opposition leader (the only issue is we won't be having an election for a while). I'm not sure that Biden will be that guy in the US but I sincerely hope he is.

[BadMofoPimp]

It's interesting to watch as we in the UK have close to the same situation - a government refusing to self reflect or admit any mistake in the process despite locking down too late, not having enough medical supplies or critical care capacity and the Prime Minister himself being taken into the ICU. We're on course for the worst death rate in Europe and the in the briefing yesterday they literally said 'the plan is working'.

I would recommend watching Macron's speech from the weekend for an example of humble, honest leadership in times of national struggle.

The snippet of good news from the UK is that as of last week we now have a capable, electable opposition leader (the only issue is we won't be having an election for a while). I'm not sure that Biden will be that guy in the US but I sincerely hope he is.

It seems to me to just be speeches by leaders to pacify the public or their fan base because France by capita is doing worse than England and about on par with USA.

[spinedoc]

Anyone else see the coronavirus briefing? The President just put out a propaganda video on the public dime. I have never seen anything like that in my lifetime, we have officially hit a new low. Trump even made Fauci walk back his comments on Sunday. He wants credit for saving millions of lives, unbelievable. Everything he did was perfect, no self reflection at all, but perfect. You have got to be kidding me. Then, he goes on about how he has complete authority to re-open the country, when before he had to defer to the states to impose restrictions. This guy is losing it. Trump is suffering from some pathology, its disturbing to watch, and how is it that not all of us can see it? Its Orwellian.

I don't watch those press briefings anymore. It's a shame because I'd like to know how we're doing as a country and learn something. But, they're so uninformative and useless. It's a clown show in a moment of crisis. Thousands of people are sick and dying in the country, and it feels like there's no accountability or leadership. This isn't even a red vs blue thing. This is just about the qualities you would want out of your leader. At this point, I only really pay attention to what Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx have to say.

I can't look away, its like watching a car accident. Every day for two hours the country gets to watch a therapy session. Its like its Festivus with a constant airing of grievances. But, for two hours everyday both Drs Fauci and Birx have to sit there and watch that display when they have better things to do. Even if Trump was doing a great job, you don't get any empathy at all. You would think he would have an Oscar Schindler moment. "This ring, this ring could have saved one more person". All this suffering that is going on. The deaths, the illnesses, but the long food lines, and unemployment. People desperate to figure out how they are going to feed their family, pay the bills, and all the children associated with them. Imagine what the great leaders would say if they saw that, Churchill, FDR, JFK, MLK. Yet, 40% of our country applauds that mean, ugly behavior. I don't recognize this country anymore. That element was always marginalized, but now it has taken over one of the two major parties in our country. This isn't your daddy's Republican party, this is the Trump party. Its like renting out a room to white supremacists, and now you're too afraid to go down to the kitchen to make yourself a snack.

[orlando_joe]

Anyone else see the coronavirus briefing? The President just put out a propaganda video on the public dime. I have never seen anything like that in my lifetime, we have officially hit a new low. Trump even made Fauci walk back his comments on Sunday. He wants credit for saving millions of lives, unbelievable. Everything he did was perfect, no self reflection at all, but perfect. You have got to be kidding me. Then, he goes on about how he has complete authority to re-open the country, when before he had to defer to the states to impose restrictions. This guy is losing it. Trump is suffering from some pathology, its disturbing to watch, and how is it that not all of us can see it? Its Orwellian.

I don't watch those press briefings anymore. It's a shame because I'd like to know how we're doing as a country and learn something. But, they're so uninformative and useless. It's a clown show in a moment of crisis. Thousands of people are sick and dying in the country, and it feels like there's no accountability or leadership. This isn't even a red vs blue thing. This is just about the qualities you would want out of your leader. At this point, I only really pay attention to what Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx have to say.

I can't look away, its like watching a car accident. Every day for two hours the country gets to watch a therapy session. Its like its Festivus with a constant airing of grievances. But, for two hours everyday both Drs Fauci and Birx have to sit there and watch that display when they have better things to do. Even if Trump was doing a great job, you don't get any empathy at all. You would think he would have an Oscar Schindler moment. "This ring, this ring could have saved one more person". All this suffering that is going on. The deaths, the illnesses, but the long food lines, and unemployment. People desperate to figure out how they are going to feed their family, pay the bills, and all the children associated with them. Imagine what the great leaders would say if they saw that, Churchill, FDR, JFK, MLK. Yet, 40% of our country applauds that mean, ugly behavior. I don't recognize this country anymore. That element was always marginalized, but now it has taken over one of the two major parties in our country. This isn't your daddy's Republican party, this is the Trump party. Its like renting out a room to white supremacists, and now you're too afraid to go down to the kitchen to make yourself a snack.

a fine example of tds...reading your post makes me check the numbers its like 50 million infected and 10 million deaths right now in america?...oh wait..trump wont send everyone a car a house free food and a million in my bank ...bad man..its all his fault ...we are all his victims...man we will get over this ...stop feeling sorry for your self when you get knocked down ..get up, pull your pants up dust yourself off and get to work we are americans ..its what we do

[spinedoc]

I don't watch those press briefings anymore. It's a shame because I'd like to know how we're doing as a country and learn something. But, they're so uninformative and useless. It's a clown show in a moment of crisis. Thousands of people are sick and dying in the country, and it feels like there's no accountability or leadership. This isn't even a red vs blue thing. This is just about the qualities you would want out of your leader. At this point, I only really pay attention to what Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx have to say.

I can't look away, its like watching a car accident. Every day for two hours the country gets to watch a therapy session. Its like its Festivus with a constant airing of grievances. But, for two hours everyday both Drs Fauci and Birx have to sit there and watch that display when they have better things to do. Even if Trump was doing a great job, you don't get any empathy at all. You would think he would have an Oscar Schindler moment. "This ring, this ring could have saved one more person". All this suffering that is going on. The deaths, the illnesses, but the long food lines, and unemployment. People desperate to figure out how they are going to feed their family, pay the bills, and all the children associated with them. Imagine what the great leaders would say if they saw that, Churchill, FDR, JFK, MLK. Yet, 40% of our country applauds that mean, ugly behavior. I don't recognize this country anymore. That element was always marginalized, but now it has taken over one of the two major parties in our country. This isn't your daddy's Republican party, this is the Trump party. Its like renting out a room to white supremacists, and now you're too afraid to go down to the kitchen to make yourself a snack.

a fine example of tds...reading your post makes me check the numbers its like 50 million infected and 10 million deaths right now in america?...oh wait..trump wont send everyone a car a house free food and a million in my bank ...bad man..its all his fault ...we are all his victims...man we will get over this ...stop feeling sorry for your self when you get knocked down ..get up, pull your pants up dust yourself off and get to work we are americans ..its what we do

Well, thank you for being a fine demonstration for me, a prop for all to see that best illustrates my point. I could have done it without you, but I appreciate the example and your assistance. More irony as well, because I'm not the one with their pants down right now. I'm sure you see me as this sanctimonious creature. Its what I would expect from those that disagree, but for those who see and know the truth, I prefer the term righteous. I'm comfortable in how history will treat my response, I know which side I'm on, how about you?

[orlando_joe]

I can't look away, its like watching a car accident. Every day for two hours the country gets to watch a therapy session. Its like its Festivus with a constant airing of grievances. But, for two hours everyday both Drs Fauci and Birx have to sit there and watch that display when they have better things to do. Even if Trump was doing a great job, you don't get any empathy at all. You would think he would have an Oscar Schindler moment. "This ring, this ring could have saved one more person". All this suffering that is going on. The deaths, the illnesses, but the long food lines, and unemployment. People desperate to figure out how they are going to feed their family, pay the bills, and all the children associated with them. Imagine what the great leaders would say if they saw that, Churchill, FDR, JFK, MLK. Yet, 40% of our country applauds that mean, ugly behavior. I don't recognize this country anymore. That element was always marginalized, but now it has taken over one of the two major parties in our country. This isn't your daddy's Republican party, this is the Trump party. Its like renting out a room to white supremacists, and now you're too afraid to go down to the kitchen to make yourself a snack.

a fine example of tds...reading your post makes me check the numbers its like 50 million infected and 10 million deaths right now in america?...oh wait..trump wont send everyone a car a house free food and a million in my bank ...bad man..its all his fault ...we are all his victims...man we will get over this ...stop feeling sorry for your self when you get knocked down ..get up, pull your pants up dust yourself off and get to work we are americans ..its what we do

Well, thank you for being a fine demonstration for me, a prop for all to see that best illustrates my point. I could have done it without you, but I appreciate the example and your assistance. More irony as well, because I'm not the one with their pants down right now. I'm sure you see me as this sanctimonious creature. Its what I would expect from those that disagree, but for those who see and know the truth, I prefer the term righteous. I'm comfortable in how history will treat my response, I know which side I'm on, how about you?

whats it like up there? on your pedestal...lol

[spinedoc]

a fine example of tds...reading your post makes me check the numbers its like 50 million infected and 10 million deaths right now in america?...oh wait..trump wont send everyone a car a house free food and a million in my bank ...bad man..its all his fault ...we are all his victims...man we will get over this ...stop feeling sorry for your self when you get knocked down ..get up, pull your pants up dust yourself off and get to work we are americans ..its what we do

Well, thank you for being a fine demonstration for me, a prop for all to see that best illustrates my point. I could have done it without you, but I appreciate the example and your assistance. More irony as well, because I'm not the one with their pants down right now. I'm sure you see me as this sanctimonious creature. Its what I would expect from those that disagree, but for those who see and know the truth, I prefer the term righteous. I'm comfortable in how history will treat my response, I know which side I'm on, how about you?

whats it like up there? on your pedestal...lol

Sadly, its lonely sometimes. In the world of the blind, the one eyed man shall be king. Seriously, I'm not trying to come off as an elitist, but c'mon. Throw me a freaking bone here. I'm an older dude, and I have never seen that type of rant from my president ever. We can still disagree, but you have to at least notice the historical perspective here, right? If that makes me a snob, then so be it. I try to be humble, I wish our president at least tried as well.

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That, to me, is where the conservatives really latched on to slavery and the racist undertones spinedoc is talking about - because the exploitation of free labour from slaves made their lives better economically. Ever since human rights started spreading around the world, capitalism has done everything it can to circumvent that. Indentured slavery, migrant slavery, prison slavery - they're all ways to regain the free labour lost to human rights. Religion, politics, credit/debt, etc have all just become tools to control the masses to steer them towards being mindless sheep who only worry about themselves and don't question authority.
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I love this paragraph man, it is such a concise summary on variety of issues.

when children were banned from working on the mines the very same people were screaming about how this would be devastating to the economy. nothing has changed.

[BballIsLife11]

The tds people in here remind me a lot of Pepe’s views on Markelle. Regardless of what he does he will always be a denier.

[spinedoc]

The tds people in here remind me a lot of Pepe’s views on Markelle. Regardless of what he does he will always be a denier.

This is the disconnect right here. While everyone else is watching the global pandemic, Trump and his supporters are watching the political epidemic. They even have a clinical name for it, Trump derangement syndrome. Historic behavior by a president, and we are the ones that are sick and feverish. "These aren't the droids you're looking for", lol. I've got to say, I've been pretty disappointed by the lack of a coherent argument from the right. This shouldn't be about left vs right, but I was really looking for something to agree with regardless. The fact that a decent defense can't be mounted is proof positive that this is about competence. Loyalty to the dear leader isn't partisan, its just creepy.