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2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#981 » by Chanel Bomber » Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:21 am

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That Greg Anthony jersey is fire.

That's all I needed. I'm sold.

The Knicks announcer doesn't even need to come up with a new way to say his name. Just say it like he said it for Melo.

I used to hate the way he forced the “Anthonyyyyyy”... Especially on those nights when Melo would drop 40 because it would just never stop lol.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#982 » by Chanel Bomber » Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:29 am

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This!

Happens all the time, it's a cycle.

I hope the Knicks stay away, stay far away

Those are completely different situations. Avdija has dominated junior circuits and he's been a solid contributor in a professional league at 19 years old. More importantly, he seems way tougher than Bender and Tskitishvili who were both soft as cotton.

But we shall see. You may be right, I just disagree with the notion that he's being hyped because of Luka and that we're just looking at a pattern repeating itself. I'm not overly confident in him either, but in a weak draft, I'll take him over most of the guys currently projected top 10. Easily.


You can like him easily all you want but the issue isn't liking him, the issue is actually believing that it's a weak draft to reach for a player like him with a lotto pick. He's done nothing nor shown anything to be some "easy" pick over prospects that are leaps and bounds better than him. You liking him is, well, just a preference. No problem with that but sorry I'm just not sold

Claiming that those other prospects are leaps and bounds better than him is a subjective opinion as well. You have your preferences, I have mine. Guess we evaluate talent differently, and that’s cool with me. We can agree to disagree.

I don’t “like” Deni or root for Deni by the way. Couldn’t care less. I just like him as a prospect in this draft is all. There aren’t many guys I like as prospects in this draft to be honest. I’m not really sold on him either actually, at least not to the level of Gallo or RJ.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#983 » by malik959 » Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:06 am

Has there ever been an Anthony that bombed in NY?
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#984 » by Juco24 » Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:39 am

HEZI wrote:https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/deni-avdija-1/gamelog/2020/euroleague/

And he's just going to jump in the NBA and take off? Or is he going to be somebody we keep talking about as a kid with potential for the next 5 years? Preaching patience with him?

Sorry, not this year.


Outside of Edwards I don't see anyone from this class jumping in and taking off. There's no Ja or Zion in this draft. Going to need some patience regardless
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#985 » by KnicksGadfly » Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:19 pm

malik959 wrote:Has there ever been an Anthony that bombed in NY?


Too soon for jokes like this :nonono:
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Post#986 » by TheGreenArrow » Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:41 pm

Its down to killian or cole for me(lamelo, wiseman,edwards will be out of our range)i just hope one of them wiil be their at 10.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#987 » by HighRyzer83 » Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:52 pm

Anybody see the wnba draft?
Neither did I :)
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#988 » by newyorker4ever » Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:11 pm

Juco24 wrote:
HEZI wrote:https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/deni-avdija-1/gamelog/2020/euroleague/

And he's just going to jump in the NBA and take off? Or is he going to be somebody we keep talking about as a kid with potential for the next 5 years? Preaching patience with him?

Sorry, not this year.


Outside of Edwards I don't see anyone from this class jumping in and taking off. There's no Ja or Zion in this draft. Going to need some patience regardless


There's always guys that come out of every draft that jump right in and take off but it's hard to pick those guys out in this draft. There will be guys that are just put in the right situation for them and has what it takes between the ears to come in and produce almost right away. Hopefully the Knicks finally have that draft that we've been needing and we draft the right guys and for us. The pressure of playing in NY at MSG is a lot for any player.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#989 » by spree2kawhi » Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:27 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:That Greg Anthony jersey is fire.

That's all I needed. I'm sold.

The Knicks announcer doesn't even need to come up with a new way to say his name. Just say it like he said it for Melo.

I used to hate the way he forced the “Anthonyyyyyy”... Especially on those nights when Melo would drop 40 because it would just never stop lol.

I'm also totally sold on Anthony by now. Perfect fit and definitely talented. My second choice after Edwards.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#990 » by Juco24 » Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:24 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
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knicksNOTslick wrote:The Knicks announcer doesn't even need to come up with a new way to say his name. Just say it like he said it for Melo.

I used to hate the way he forced the “Anthonyyyyyy”... Especially on those nights when Melo would drop 40 because it would just never stop lol.

I'm also totally sold on Anthony by now. Perfect fit and definitely talented. My second choice after Edwards.


I think he's going to surprise some folks
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#991 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:23 pm

When he blows up in 2 years from now dont say I didn't warn yall
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Post#992 » by NYF13 » Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:46 pm

I think if the pick is Core Anthony, Leon Rose would trade for Chris Paul to be a mentor and have him learn from CP3.
In short, all I am saying is RJ-Brunson-Grimes-Quickley-Randle are the untouchables moving forward.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#993 » by HerSports85 » Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:14 pm

NYF13 wrote:I think if the pick is Core Anthony, Leon Rose would trade for Chris Paul to be a mentor and have him learn from CP3.



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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#994 » by WargamesX » Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:22 pm

NYF13 wrote:I think if the pick is Core Anthony, Leon Rose would trade for Chris Paul to be a mentor and have him learn from CP3.


Ahh man this could go sooooo bad and because it’s the knicks. We all know it would
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#995 » by FutureKnicksGM » Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:05 am

Bolmaro > Deni. Hopefully he’s still there at #27.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#996 » by Spree2Houston » Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:05 pm

The only players who have All-Star potential in my eyes are:
1) Edwards
2) Wiseman
3) Okongwu

RJ Hampton is my sleeper in this draft.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#997 » by moocow007 » Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:29 pm

Just reading the last several pages tells me just one thing for sure...they need to cure this coronavirus thing around and let people out.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#998 » by HEZI » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:04 pm

Find a way to get Josh Green. Move up from 27 if possible

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Successful draft! Would also love to get Tre Jones somehow but won't be greedy.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#999 » by newyorker4ever » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:10 pm

T.Haliburton the next Lonzo Ball?

https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2020/04/20/tyrese-haliburton-2020-nba-draft-propsect-breakdown/

Tyrese Haliburton is not the best prospect in this year’s NBA draft class, but he may be the most fascinating, a guy who is going to inspire debate in draft rooms for a number of different reasons.

A 6-foot-5 guard that just turned 20 years old in February, Haliburton had a breakout sophomore season that saw him average 15.2 points, 6.5 assists, 5.9 boards and 2.5 steals while shooting 50 percent from the floor, 42 percent from three and 82 percent from the free throw line. He’s the only player to reach those thresholds in Sports Reference’s database, which dates back to 1992. No high-major guard has posted a 63.1 true-shooting percentage while averaging 15 points and 6.5 assists in the last decade.

The numbers nerds are going to love him. He’s an aberration, a freak of efficiency, a glitch in the simulation.

And that’s before you consider the fact that he played as a ball-dominant lead guard as a sophomore after spending his freshman season doing nothing but playing on the wing, or that he was the best player for USA Basketball’s U-19 team, which won a gold medal last summer.

On paper, he looks like a guy that is tailor-made to have an NBA offense built around him.

The story the film tells is not quite the same.
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Post#1000 » by moocow007 » Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:11 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:T.Haliburton the next Lonzo Ball?

https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2020/04/20/tyrese-haliburton-2020-nba-draft-propsect-breakdown/

Tyrese Haliburton is not the best prospect in this year’s NBA draft class, but he may be the most fascinating, a guy who is going to inspire debate in draft rooms for a number of different reasons.

A 6-foot-5 guard that just turned 20 years old in February, Haliburton had a breakout sophomore season that saw him average 15.2 points, 6.5 assists, 5.9 boards and 2.5 steals while shooting 50 percent from the floor, 42 percent from three and 82 percent from the free throw line. He’s the only player to reach those thresholds in Sports Reference’s database, which dates back to 1992. No high-major guard has posted a 63.1 true-shooting percentage while averaging 15 points and 6.5 assists in the last decade.

The numbers nerds are going to love him. He’s an aberration, a freak of efficiency, a glitch in the simulation.

And that’s before you consider the fact that he played as a ball-dominant lead guard as a sophomore after spending his freshman season doing nothing but playing on the wing, or that he was the best player for USA Basketball’s U-19 team, which won a gold medal last summer.

On paper, he looks like a guy that is tailor-made to have an NBA offense built around him.

The story the film tells is not quite the same.


This is pretty close to what I'm talking about...and no I'm not the guy that made this video.

In general about what he currently does well at the college level...

"varying degrees in how well he can do these things [referring to the things he can do real well in college]"


On his shooting and ball skills (which is pretty much exactly what I've said)...quoted word for word:

"by any account, terrific shooter with deep deep range...when he's give time and space he's deadly...BUT he has a long, slow and low release, his feet are positioned awkwardly and his mechanics are not ideal and this really shows up when Haliburton is forced to shoot off of the dribble...and it's exasperated by the fact that Haliburton can struggle to consistently turn the corner against good defenders...when you can't beat a man you are forced to shoot a mid range pullups, often a contested one...if he had struggles getting past defenders at the college level it's not a good indicator of his ability to get to the rim moving up to the professional level"


Being able to turn the corner, get by defenders and/or shoot off the dribble are key traits of top NBA PG's...NOT just being able to shoot open 3's. Haliburton has a slow ugly shot and a very high loose dribble (reasons why I said Kris Dunn wasn't an NBA PG and folks were screaming at me left and right about how Dunn would be a great NBA PG). In fact if you are an NBA PG and don't have the ball skills to be able to get by defenders then what's going to happen is that the (much) better defenders will be guarding you up close on the perimeter which, in turns, will signficantly hamper a players ability to get open shots IF you don't have the greatest form on your shot (see above).

And honestly, there's a difference between the "great passes" Haliburton makes and those made by the Ball brothers. It's more forced and mechanical. And Haliburton has an annoying habit of hoping in the air as he's making those passes (this vid also points that out) which the Ball's don't do which tells me that he's not as natural a passer. At full NBA speed, you need to be really really instinctive if you're going to be making those types of passes. In fact, IMHO, there's an overall rigidness (mechanicalness) to Haliburtons game that makes me dubious of him as a high end starting NBA PG. Saw the same thing with Kris Dunn.

What this article says, and why the Lonzo Ball, mention is that Haliburton's best skill is finding the open man and passing.

Defensively, says...

"...he's inconsistent and uneven defensively with his primary weakness being not having quick enough feet to stay in front of his opponent on defense...but the effort is there and so is the IQ...one of the best team defenders you'll find in this draft...terrific anticipation...he has the length to be a playmaker defensively"


Great for a team like the Spurs who rely heavily on smart team players on defense but on the Knicks 'free for all" defense, probably will be mitigated (see Frank for example).

Summarizes Haliburton as (and ergo the Lonzo Ball comps)...

"...a secondary ball handler that can space the floor, initiate offense and run ball screens on the week side"


Can Haliburton be a very good rotational player? Yep absolutely. But it's questionnable that he can be the type of player he is in college in the NBA...and that's basically the bottom line of this (and what A LOT of folks seem to fail to realize). High floor but not necessarily high ceiling for an NBA lead guard on account of the weaknesses in his game that may be masked at the college level but likely won't translate at the NBA level. It's still conceivable that he would be a viable option for the Knicks (depending on where they are picking) but I just want to point out that just because a guy has great looking college stats doesn't mean it can translate to the NBA in the same role that player had in college and this is a great example.

Before anyone says that Lonzo Ball was drafted 2nd overall, it's not hard to say that Ball was expected (hyped) to be able to do much more than he has.

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