2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

newyorker4ever · Post #1001 » by **newyorker4ever** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:40 pm

If every player college stats could translate to the NBA then we'd have a overload of talent in the NBA. Many players who put up great college stats turn out to be G-League lifers or play overseas. Not saying that Hali can't translate his game to the NBA cause i obviously don't know but it's not easy to do......obviously.

Post #1002 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:41 pm

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Post #1003 » by **moocow007** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:42 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:If every player college stats could translate to the NBA then we'd have a overload of talent in the NBA. Many players who put up great college stats turn out to be G-League lifers or play overseas. Not saying that Hali can't translate his game to the NBA cause i obviously don't know but it's not easy to do......obviously.

Exactly.

Post #1004 » by **moocow007** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:45 pm

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Kinda also not surprising. The NCAA need to start rethinking things or they will eventually get marginalized. Of course the counterpoint is that some HS players may end up overestimating their own value as there still is no better "showcase" for your skills than going to college. For guys like LaMelo Ball it won't matter as much but at some point choosing not to go to college will hurt and how many of these HS players will make the wrong decision? College is ultimately there not just for basketball as a career since most guys that play college basketball will see their basketball playing careers end there. College can give a lot of guys a path to a better career beyond basketball and I think that's what a lot of these guys are failing to realize. College could be a showcase for some, but it could be a splash of cold water for others who realize they simply are not good enough and a free 4 year college ride is the best thing for them.

Thepaintismine · Post #1005 » by **Thepaintismine** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:54 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:

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My 2nd post here.

The NBA must B taking note now. If you think about it, they are being stepped around, slowly.
I think the developmental league (G league?) is going to boom-ba in the coming years.
Then again, they saw this coming as I think some of the recent rule changes (ex. two way players) are adjustments for this.

Post #1006 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:07 pm

Thepaintismine wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:

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My 2nd post here.

The NBA must B taking note now. If you think about it, they are being stepped around, slowly.
I think the developmental league (G league?) is going to boom-ba in the coming years.
Then again, they saw this coming as I think some of the recent rule changes (ex. two way players) are adjustments for this.

Welcome!

The floodgates are open and things are changing. I do like what they are doing with the G-league so it might get even better. It sounds like 2022 should be the year when HS kids can be drafted again. This will probably only reinforce the idea.

blanko · Post #1007 » by **blanko** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:13 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Thepaintismine wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:

Read on Twitter

My 2nd post here.

The NBA must B taking note now. If you think about it, they are being stepped around, slowly.
I think the developmental league (G league?) is going to boom-ba in the coming years.
Then again, they saw this coming as I think some of the recent rule changes (ex. two way players) are adjustments for this.

Welcome!

The floodgates are open and things are changing. I do like what they are doing with the G-league so it might get even better. It sounds like 2022 should be the year when HS kids can be drafted again. This will probably only reinforce the idea.

Im not sure, it will probably be similar to baseballs minor leagues. Which imho is a good thing. The best highschool kids go to the g league, the lesser guys go to college and get an education.

Ncaa defenders are full of it, all this does is bumps everyone up in the college ranks. Its just that the product won't be as good and it will hurt their pockets.

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Zenzibar · Post #1008 » by **Zenzibar** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:17 pm

moocow007 wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:

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Kinda also not surprising. The NCAA need to start rethinking things or they will eventually get marginalized. Of course the counterpoint is that some HS players may end up overestimating their own value as there still is no better "showcase" for your skills than going to college. For guys like Lonzo Ball it won't matter as much but at some point choosing not to go to college will hurt and how many of these HS players will make the wrong decision? College is ultimately there not just for basketball as a career since most guys that play college basketball will see their basketball playing careers end there. College can give a lot of guys a path to a better career beyond basketball and I think that's what a lot of these guys are failing to realize. College could be a showcase for some, but it could be a splash of cold water for others who realize they simply are not good enough and a free 4 year college ride is the best thing for them.

The great benefits of having a college education for the majority of these players is not to be overstated.
However, so far the 2020 high school kids foregoing college to the D League are all so far 1done players, who'll be getting a few hundred thousand dollars up front. Which is nice money for anyone.
College sports have been raking in 100's of millions off of these kids with no true translatable education nor financial benefit to them.

It just takes 3-4 great high schoolers to put a D-League all-star team together, once on the big screen it'll generate more $ for all the other players.

Post #1009 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:36 pm

blanko wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Thepaintismine wrote:
My 2nd post here.

The NBA must B taking note now. If you think about it, they are being stepped around, slowly.
I think the developmental league (G league?) is going to boom-ba in the coming years.
Then again, they saw this coming as I think some of the recent rule changes (ex. two way players) are adjustments for this.

Welcome!

The floodgates are open and things are changing. I do like what they are doing with the G-league so it might get even better. It sounds like 2022 should be the year when HS kids can be drafted again. This will probably only reinforce the idea.
Im not sure, it will probably be similar to baseballs minor leagues. Which imho is a good thing. The best highschool kids go to the g league, the lesser guys go to college and get an education.

Ncaa defenders are full of it, all this does is bumps everyone up in the college ranks. Its just that the product won't be as good and it will hurt their pockets.

Sent from my SM-N960N using Tapatalk

NCAA is just greedy. There will still be money, but maybe just a little less. I will still def not watch, but the more stars in the game the more people do watch. I do think in order for it to work well, there does need to be a good minor league system. It seems like the NBA has been building up the G-League with that in mind and 2022 the year when the draft might change.

HarthorneWingo · Post #1010 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:45 pm

Thepaintismine wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:

Read on Twitter

My 2nd post here.

The NBA must B taking note now. If you think about it, they are being stepped around, slowly.
I think the developmental league (G league?) is going to boom-ba in the coming years.
Then again, they saw this coming as I think some of the recent rule changes (ex. two way players) are adjustments for this.

WELCOME!

You should post a thread introducing yourself to the group. It's tradition for new members. Tell us a little bit about the tortured history of your love affair with the Knicks.

-HW

3toheadmelo · Post #1011 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:23 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:

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This man has been in high school for like 10 years :lol:

bleedblue3303 · Post #1012 » by **bleedblue3303** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:49 pm

I think you are underestimating the power of the NCAA. The concept of the 1 and done will be finished. These players will go to this new G league team or straight to the NBA. But college basketball is more than just the players. Its about the crowds, the kids, the fans, they will just market their players that spend. Multiple years in school and build them into collegiate legends. I'll still watch a great tournament game even if a Zion type player isn't in it.

bleedblue3303 · Post #1013 » by **bleedblue3303** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:39 pm

I am also starting to think we should consider trading Mitch Robinson. It pains me to say. But the hiring of Rich Paul as the agent scares me. I'm not ready to give 7 plus figures to a guy who hasn't shown he should start and can stay on the floor. Starting to think the move is trade him to GS for their draft pick and we pair Wiseman with a PG and RJ

3toheadmelo · Post #1014 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:56 pm

bleedblue3303 wrote:I am also starting to think we should consider trading Mitch Robinson. It pains me to say. But the hiring of Rich Paul as the agent scares me. I'm not ready to give 7 plus figures to a guy who hasn't shown he should start and can stay on the floor. Starting to think the move is trade him to GS for their draft pick and we pair Wiseman with a PG and RJ

You are a Wiseman.

Zenzibar · Post #1015 » by **Zenzibar** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:56 pm

bleedblue3303 wrote:I am also starting to think we should consider trading Mitch Robinson. It pains me to say. But the hiring of Rich Paul as the agent scares me. I'm not ready to give 7 plus figures to a guy who hasn't shown he should start and can stay on the floor. Starting to think the move is trade him to GS for their draft pick and we pair Wiseman with a PG and RJ

3toheadmelo · Post #1016 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:59 pm

Fiz will still find a way to play vets over Jalen Green and Isaiah Todd :lol:

Sam Mitchell, David Fizdale and Brian Shaw have emerged as candidates to become the head coach of the G League Select Team.

Jalen Green and Isaiah Todd have been signed to the team as the NBA is creating a new path for prep stars.

Mitchell coached Green in AAU.

bleedblue3303 · Post #1017 » by **bleedblue3303** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:15 pm

Zenzibar wrote:
bleedblue3303 wrote:I am also starting to think we should consider trading Mitch Robinson. It pains me to say. But the hiring of Rich Paul as the agent scares me. I'm not ready to give 7 plus figures to a guy who hasn't shown he should start and can stay on the floor. Starting to think the move is trade him to GS for their draft pick and we pair Wiseman with a PG and RJ

i appreciate the creativity. but please explain why you disagree. I could be wrong but not sure. Rich Paul's gonna command well over 10 million a year. If we get Wiseman I'm pretty sure he can run block and alley oop on the same level as Mitch and we will have him locked up on a cheaper and longer contract

Zenzibar · Post #1018 » by **Zenzibar** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:35 pm

bleedblue3303 wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
bleedblue3303 wrote:I am also starting to think we should consider trading Mitch Robinson. It pains me to say. But the hiring of Rich Paul as the agent scares me. I'm not ready to give 7 plus figures to a guy who hasn't shown he should start and can stay on the floor. Starting to think the move is trade him to GS for their draft pick and we pair Wiseman with a PG and RJ

i appreciate the creativity. but please explain why you disagree. I could be wrong but not sure. Rich Paul's gonna command well over 10 million a year. If we get Wiseman I'm pretty sure he can run block and alley oop on the same level as Mitch and we will have him locked up on a cheaper and longer contract

Bro, why on this virus infested Earth would you trade a talent on his rookie contract?
When are we going to stop recycling our draft picks? Players like Frank and Knox need to stick around at least until their contracts expire. Then we'll know.

Stop the recycling unknowns for top rated talent. Let these kids get their money here if they're good enough to earn it.

knickstape21 · Post #1019 » by **knickstape21** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:37 am

Anybody see RJ Barrett IG story?

jvsimonetti0514 · Post #1020 » by **jvsimonetti0514** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:00 am

knickstape21 wrote:Anybody see RJ Barrett IG story?

Lol Cole is thirsty for the Knicks to draft him. Trying to get RJ to put in a good word.