2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

[robillionaire]

I'm still holding out hope knox could turn into a decent rotation player if he puts in the work required to improve. he's still pretty young. younger than about half the players in this draft. I'm just going to think of him as another incoming rookie who had a couple tough seasons and hope he really busts his ass this summer. the knicks should have stashed him in the g league and let him get more developmental time

Knox has shown a lot more flashes that he won't be a bust than most. Knicks just messing up his development and burying him on the bench.

I dont buy this theory of Knox being wronged by the coach staff. Poor Knox.

Knox averaged 18m for game and played against the others teams bench players for most the time. And sucked. I dont know remember another exemple of player playing so poorly for more than 15 minutes a game last season. Even Reddish improved at the end of the season. And he was a rookie.

He still has potential, great height, frame and range. But he needs to improve his game before gaining more playing time.

reddish was allowed to start and consistently given minutes and allowed to play through his struggles. they're almost the exact same age i think knox is a couple weeks older

knox rookie year (1 year younger) 12.8 ppg 4.5 rpg 1.1 apg 37.0% shooting 34.3% from 3
reddish rookie: 10.5 ppg 3.7 rpg 1.5 apg 38.4% shooting 33.2% from 3

the knicks should have just kept playing him and allowing him to build confidence. but the hawks are actually serious about a rebuild and the knicks are trying to patchwork together a playoff team with a bunch of trash so we can't play a year 2 guy more than a few minutes a game. not to say a lot of the blame doesn't also lie on him for not making the most of his limited opportunity because it does, but the knicks dysfunction absolutely is a factor. A factor with frank too. You can't just draft players and then not try to play them because you're "still 8 games out of 8th" or whatever

[Richard4444]

He improved a little this year but his negatives still outweigh his positives by a large margin. Which is why he a bench role player

Says a lot that the knicks top priority in this draft is still a PG

I just hope we don’t reach for a point guard if a better player is available that plays a different position. We can still get Cade Cunningham or some other PG next year worse case scenario.

Next years draft is not a PG heavy draft. And we cant count on drafting Cade. Zions lesson.

[WargamesX]

I'm still holding out hope knox could turn into a decent rotation player if he puts in the work required to improve. he's still pretty young. younger than about half the players in this draft. I'm just going to think of him as another incoming rookie who had a couple tough seasons and hope he really busts his ass this summer. the knicks should have stashed him in the g league and let him get more developmental time

Knox has shown a lot more flashes that he won't be a bust than most. Knicks just messing up his development and burying him on the bench.

I dont buy this theory of Knox being wronged by the coach staff. Poor Knox.

Knox averaged 18m for game and played against the others teams bench players for most the time. And sucked. I dont know remember another exemple of player playing so poorly for more than 15 minutes a game last season. Even Reddish improved at the end of the season. And he was a rookie.

He still has potential, great height, frame and range. But he needs to improve his game before gaining more playing time.

Comparing Knox to Reddish isn’t fair. Last year he was being treated like MCW and told to just shoot. This year they went and got 4 other vets to clog up his position. There is no rhyme or reason to Knox development beside “get better on defense” and there were signs he did that

First ATL has young who is a great pg, they run a better offense, and his improvement can also be tied to improved minutes. Don’t get me started how ATL has gone in and let their youth play, so they develop and don’t have gluts of Older players taking minutes from their youth. Reddish is in a better situation.

[robillionaire]

What if we end up picking 3rd and Edwards/lamelo are off the board? trade back for one of the PG”s or take wiseman?

I would just take Hayes, who I view as most valuable available in that spot. If we could trade back and still get him would also do that, but depending on the order he could easily go top 5 in this draft.

Wiseman will put up numbers but I think a good playmaking guard or wing would be more valuable for us.

What if we get Cade Cunningham next year to pair up with Wiseman

1991: mark jackson
1992 ...we can get a PG next year
1993 ...we can get a PG next year
1994 ...we can get a PG next year
1995 ...we can get a PG next year
1996 ...we can get a PG next year
1997 ...we can get a PG next year
1998 ...we can get a PG next year
1999 ...we can get a PG next year
2000 ...we can get a PG next year
2001 ...we can get a PG next year
2002 ...we can get a PG next year
2003 ...we can get a PG next year
2004 ...we can get a PG next year
2005: marbury
2006 ...we can get a PG next year
2007 ...we can get a PG next year
2008 ...we can get a PG next year
2009 ...we can get a PG next year
2010 ...we can get a PG next year
2011 ...we can get a PG next year
2012 jeremy lin for 2 weeks...we can get a PG next year
2013 ...we can get a PG next year
2014 ...we can get a PG next year
2015 ...we can get a PG next year
2016 ...we can get a PG next year
2017: we drafted a PG but let's just develop jarrett jack instead ...we can get a different PG next year
2018:...we can get a PG next year
2019 ...we can get a PG next year
2020 ...we can get a PG next year
2021 ?

[Deeeez Knicks]

What if we end up picking 3rd and Edwards/lamelo are off the board? trade back for one of the PG”s or take wiseman?

I would just take Hayes, who I view as most valuable available in that spot. If we could trade back and still get him would also do that, but depending on the order he could easily go top 5 in this draft.

Wiseman will put up numbers but I think a good playmaking guard or wing would be more valuable for us.

What if we get Cade Cunningham next year to pair up with Wiseman

Would love a core of Cade/Hayes/RJ/Mitch. We need multiple playmakers. But odds are slim we can get Cade anyway.

Wiseman just doesnt look like anything special. I would take a solid G/wing over a solid C. They are just way more valuable these days.

[Richard4444]

Knox has shown a lot more flashes that he won't be a bust than most. Knicks just messing up his development and burying him on the bench.

I dont buy this theory of Knox being wronged by the coach staff. Poor Knox.

Knox averaged 18m for game and played against the others teams bench players for most the time. And sucked. I dont know remember another exemple of player playing so poorly for more than 15 minutes a game last season. Even Reddish improved at the end of the season. And he was a rookie.

He still has potential, great height, frame and range. But he needs to improve his game before gaining more playing time.

reddish was allowed to start and consistently given minutes and allowed to play through his struggles. they're almost the exact same age i think knox is a couple weeks older

knox rookie year (1 year younger) 12.8 ppg 4.5 rpg 1.1 apg 37.0% shooting 34.3% from 3
reddish rookie: 10.5 ppg 3.7 rpg 1.5 apg 38.4% shooting 33.2% from 3

the knicks should have just kept playing him and allowing him to build confidence. but the hawks are actually serious about a rebuild and the knicks are trying to patchwork together a playoff team with a bunch of trash so we can't play a year 2 guy more than a few minutes a game. not to say a lot of the blame doesn't also lie on him for not making the most of his limited opportunity because it does, but the knicks dysfunction absolutely is a factor. A factor with frank too. You can't just draft players and then not try to play them because you're "still 8 games out of 8th" or whatever

But Reddish really evolved. In january he got 41/40/83, In February 44/35/83. In march 55/48/86 (only 4 games).

Knox gets worst with time. This season he got 36/33/65.

[WargamesX]

Cade Is like 6’7 and has a outside a outside shot. He’s a wing...... next’s year’s draft is a the best wing draft since 2003.

[WargamesX]

I dont buy this theory of Knox being wronged by the coach staff. Poor Knox.

Knox averaged 18m for game and played against the others teams bench players for most the time. And sucked. I dont know remember another exemple of player playing so poorly for more than 15 minutes a game last season. Even Reddish improved at the end of the season. And he was a rookie.

He still has potential, great height, frame and range. But he needs to improve his game before gaining more playing time.

reddish was allowed to start and consistently given minutes and allowed to play through his struggles. they're almost the exact same age i think knox is a couple weeks older

knox rookie year (1 year younger) 12.8 ppg 4.5 rpg 1.1 apg 37.0% shooting 34.3% from 3
reddish rookie: 10.5 ppg 3.7 rpg 1.5 apg 38.4% shooting 33.2% from 3

the knicks should have just kept playing him and allowing him to build confidence. but the hawks are actually serious about a rebuild and the knicks are trying to patchwork together a playoff team with a bunch of trash so we can't play a year 2 guy more than a few minutes a game. not to say a lot of the blame doesn't also lie on him for not making the most of his limited opportunity because it does, but the knicks dysfunction absolutely is a factor. A factor with frank too. You can't just draft players and then not try to play them because you're "still 8 games out of 8th" or whatever

But Reddish really evolved. In january he got 41/40/83, In February 44/35/83. In march 55/48/86 (only 4 games).

Knox gets worst with time. This season he got 36/33/65.

He’s playing with a better team and had a defined role. Frank has been here longer than Knox and they people are still wanting him to score 20 pts a game.

[HEZI]

You know it's interesting that we might go to a format of Free Agency before Draft and it could start as early as this offseason. That would make things a lot interesting going forward, but especially the Knicks.

[WargamesX]

You know it's interesting that we might go to a format of Free Agency before Draft and it could start as early as this offseason. That would make things a lot interesting going forward, but especially the Knicks.

Where did you hear that?

[3toheadmelo]

I would just take Hayes, who I view as most valuable available in that spot. If we could trade back and still get him would also do that, but depending on the order he could easily go top 5 in this draft.

Wiseman will put up numbers but I think a good playmaking guard or wing would be more valuable for us.

What if we get Cade Cunningham next year to pair up with Wiseman

1991: mark jackson
1992 ...we can get a PG next year
1993 ...we can get a PG next year
1994 ...we can get a PG next year
1995 ...we can get a PG next year
1996 ...we can get a PG next year
1997 ...we can get a PG next year
1998 ...we can get a PG next year
1999 ...we can get a PG next year
2000 ...we can get a PG next year
2001 ...we can get a PG next year
2002 ...we can get a PG next year
2003 ...we can get a PG next year
2004 ...we can get a PG next year
2005: marbury
2006 ...we can get a PG next year
2007 ...we can get a PG next year
2008 ...we can get a PG next year
2009 ...we can get a PG next year
2010 ...we can get a PG next year
2011 ...we can get a PG next year
2012 jeremy lin for 2 weeks...we can get a PG next year
2013 ...we can get a PG next year
2014 ...we can get a PG next year
2015 ...we can get a PG next year
2016 ...we can get a PG next year
2017: we drafted a PG but let's just develop jarrett jack instead ...we can get a different PG next year
2018:...we can get a PG next year
2019 ...we can get a PG next year
2020 ...we can get a PG next year
2021 ?

[HEZI]

You know it's interesting that we might go to a format of Free Agency before Draft and it could start as early as this offseason. That would make things a lot interesting going forward, but especially the Knicks.

Where did you hear that?

https://clutchpoints.com/why-nba-hiatus-should-expedite-change-make-free-agency-before-draft/

“You know, there’s been a movement in the league, Jay, in the last few years about trying to move free agency before the draft, the way the NFL does it — and I don’t know if that’s what comes out of this,” said Wojnarowski. “I think it would be kind of bang-bang at the end of the season. But if you’re not gonna have a Summer League, if you don’t have an environment where you can start working with them, then I think it’s easier to move the draft back.
“Everyone’s gonna have to just wait and maybe there’s some sort of a Summer League or it becomes a Fall League after the NBA season ends, if it resumes.”

…..

The NBA might not have been pressed to make this change until the current collective bargaining agreement expires after the 2023-24 season. Yet this unforeseen pandemic might force their hand to make this tweak, considering there will be wholesale changes all around once the virus has been contained.

[3toheadmelo]

I would just take Hayes, who I view as most valuable available in that spot. If we could trade back and still get him would also do that, but depending on the order he could easily go top 5 in this draft.

Wiseman will put up numbers but I think a good playmaking guard or wing would be more valuable for us.

What if we get Cade Cunningham next year to pair up with Wiseman

Would love a core of Cade/Hayes/RJ/Mitch. We need multiple playmakers. But odds are slim we can get Cade anyway.

Wiseman just doesnt look like anything special. I would take a solid G/wing over a solid C. They are just way more valuable these days.

Wiseman will be one of the most dominant players in the league.. you'll all see!

[Zenzibar]

He improved a little this year but his negatives still outweigh his positives by a large margin. Which is why he a bench role player

Says a lot that the knicks top priority in this draft is still a PG

I just hope we don’t reach for a point guard if a better player is available that plays a different position. We can still get Cade Cunningham or some other PG next year worse case scenario.

You have to be mad aweful to be in the Cade Cunningham discussion as #1. There are a slew of shooting guards and small forwards next year but few point guards. This is the year to go all out for them.

[Zenzibar]

What if we get Cade Cunningham next year to pair up with Wiseman

Would love a core of Cade/Hayes/RJ/Mitch. We need multiple playmakers. But odds are slim we can get Cade anyway.

Wiseman just doesnt look like anything special. I would take a solid G/wing over a solid C. They are just way more valuable these days.

Wiseman will be one of the most dominant players in the league.. you'll all see!

[3toheadmelo]

Says a lot that the knicks top priority in this draft is still a PG

I just hope we don’t reach for a point guard if a better player is available that plays a different position. We can still get Cade Cunningham or some other PG next year worse case scenario.

You have to be mad aweful to be in the Cade Cunningham discussion as #1. There are a slew of shooting guards and small forwards next year but few point guards. This is the year to go all out for them.

But I thought next year's draft is full of centers according to you..

[3toheadmelo]

Would love a core of Cade/Hayes/RJ/Mitch. We need multiple playmakers. But odds are slim we can get Cade anyway.

Wiseman just doesnt look like anything special. I would take a solid G/wing over a solid C. They are just way more valuable these days.

Wiseman will be one of the most dominant players in the league.. you'll all see!

[finestrg]

Suppose the Knicks, among other things, are looking to use pick 25 and an asset(s) to move up a good 7 to 10 spots to upgrade the SF spot -- which I think they should.

If that's the case, and you had to decide on these two players, who do you guys value more: Saddiq Bey vs. Devin Vassell?

Who do you guys think more highly of and who would be a better Knick right away and long-term? Bey's slightly more advanced offensive game vs. Vassell's defensive skills (and his shooting too)?

I like both guys -- currently torn on who would be a better pick for us.

PF Jalen Smith from Maryland is another guy I could be interested in in a move up from 25. I think he makes a lot of sense too, as a PF in waiting that plays both ends, once we move on from Portis and Gibson, maybe Randle too if the right deal came along.

Please give me some thoughts on these 3 players.

[mpharris36]

He improved a little this year but his negatives still outweigh his positives by a large margin. Which is why he a bench role player

• Ntilikina’s shooting needs substantial work. Ntilikina has the 17th lowest effective field goal percentage for any player with at least 1,000 shots in his first three seasons since 1990. And only Ronnie Price has a lower effective field goal percentage (minimum 1,000 shots) since the start of the 2010-11 season —

The long mid-range jumpers remain a part of his repertoire and a large one. Ntilikina took long 2s on 24 percent of his shot attempts, per Cleaning The Glass, which put him in the 89th percentile among point guards — somehow still down from his rookie season when he shot them 35 percent of the time. To save a debate about the efficacy and place of the mid-range jumper for the cranky retired players and the take industrial complex, Ntilikina wasn’t even good at them. He shot 41 percent on these, which puts him in the bottom half at his position. Shooting bad shots and missing them too often is no way to live. Ntilikina has an affinity for the shot. It’s a part of his pregame workouts and he seems to look for it as a go-to move when defenses sag on him. At the very least he could choose to take a step back when the defender guarding him is giving him the 3 or too far off to truly contest.

By career VORP (value over replacement player), Ntilikina is the second-worst player in his draft class

you took the 3 snippets from the article that was mostly positive about frank

touche'

[mpharris36]

What if we end up picking 3rd and Edwards/lamelo are off the board? trade back for one of the PG”s or take wiseman?

I would just take Hayes, who I view as most valuable available in that spot. If we could trade back and still get him would also do that, but depending on the order he could easily go top 5 in this draft.

Wiseman will put up numbers but I think a good playmaking guard or wing would be more valuable for us.

What if we get Cade Cunningham next year to pair up with Wiseman

randle and wiseman leading us to the worst record in the NBA?