2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4)

[WargamesX]

Jonathon Wasserman's latest mock. Knicks get Obi at #6

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2890024-2020-nba-mock-draft-the-mystery-begins-with-the-no-1-spot

There may be pressure on the New York Knicks to draft a point guard at No. 6, but the best player available is still the only priority. Plus, there are enough questions about North Carolina's Cole Anthony to be concerned about giving him the keys to the offense. And while France's Killian Hayes deserves consideration, it's easy to picture the Knicks front office feeling more confident in Obi Toppin, college basketball's Player of the Year.

The Knicks should also have a pick in the late first round (via Los Angeles Clippers) and early second round (via Charlotte Hornets), so they could draft a point guard then or offer a trade package to move up.

Meanwhile, Toppin's explosiveness and expanding skill set may be too tough to pass on in a draft filled with uncertainty. Aside from his elite finishing and solid post play, he's become a promising shooter (39.0 percent 3PT) and nifty passer.

The Knicks know Julius Randle isn't a realistic option to lead the rebuild. Other than age (22), the biggest question mark with Toppin is his defensive outlook, but he's a near lock for monster offensive production, and New York has Mitchell Robinson to protect the rim.

Spoiler:

I won’t be mad at all cause he is the BPA if he’s still available. He can be a scoring machine. He also saves us from overpaying for Christian Wood.

David Lee 2.0

[3toheadmelo]

Jonathon Wasserman's latest mock. Knicks get Obi at #6

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2890024-2020-nba-mock-draft-the-mystery-begins-with-the-no-1-spot

Spoiler:

I won’t be mad at all cause he is the BPA if he’s still available. He can be a scoring machine. He also saves us from overpaying for Christian Wood.

David Lee 2.0

David Lee was an all star so I’ll take it

[mpharris36]

Obi over Hayes and even Deni would be silly for the Knicks.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Jonathon Wasserman's latest mock. Knicks get Obi at #6

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2890024-2020-nba-mock-draft-the-mystery-begins-with-the-no-1-spot

There may be pressure on the New York Knicks to draft a point guard at No. 6, but the best player available is still the only priority. Plus, there are enough questions about North Carolina's Cole Anthony to be concerned about giving him the keys to the offense. And while France's Killian Hayes deserves consideration, it's easy to picture the Knicks front office feeling more confident in Obi Toppin, college basketball's Player of the Year.

The Knicks should also have a pick in the late first round (via Los Angeles Clippers) and early second round (via Charlotte Hornets), so they could draft a point guard then or offer a trade package to move up.

Meanwhile, Toppin's explosiveness and expanding skill set may be too tough to pass on in a draft filled with uncertainty. Aside from his elite finishing and solid post play, he's become a promising shooter (39.0 percent 3PT) and nifty passer.

The Knicks know Julius Randle isn't a realistic option to lead the rebuild. Other than age (22), the biggest question mark with Toppin is his defensive outlook, but he's a near lock for monster offensive production, and New York has Mitchell Robinson to protect the rim.

Spoiler:

I won’t be mad at all cause he is the BPA if he’s still available. He can be a scoring machine. He also saves us from overpaying for Christian Wood.

I just don't see him as BPA at #6. He can score, but looks like he will be a huge defensive liability and is already 22. Think the age is a red flag along with the way he plays. There are better gambles for the Knicks to take top 6-8. Don't really want another 4 that is horrible on the defensive end, unless its a star.

I would pass on paying Christian Wood big money too. If we keep Knox/Iggy, I would give them a chance to get some run off the bench.

[3toheadmelo]

Jonathon Wasserman's latest mock. Knicks get Obi at #6

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2890024-2020-nba-mock-draft-the-mystery-begins-with-the-no-1-spot

Spoiler:

I won’t be mad at all cause he is the BPA if he’s still available. He can be a scoring machine. He also saves us from overpaying for Christian Wood.

I just don't see him as BPA at #6. He can score, but looks like he will be a huge defensive liability and is already 22. Think the age is a red flag along with the way he plays. There are better gambles for the Knicks to take top 6-8. Don't really want another 4 that is horrible on the defensive end, unless its a star.

I would pass on paying Christian Wood big money too. If we keep Knox/Iggy, I would give them a chance to get some run off the bench.

He’s very similar to John Collins. I mean I would love to have Collins on the Knicks and Toppin looks like him but with a better 3 ball. And we have Mitch to cover some of his defensive weaknesses. I wouldn’t mind taking him. He has star potential and that’s what matters the most to me. Not really worried about his age.. 22 is very young.

[mpharris36]

I won’t be mad at all cause he is the BPA if he’s still available. He can be a scoring machine. He also saves us from overpaying for Christian Wood.

I just don't see him as BPA at #6. He can score, but looks like he will be a huge defensive liability and is already 22. Think the age is a red flag along with the way he plays. There are better gambles for the Knicks to take top 6-8. Don't really want another 4 that is horrible on the defensive end, unless its a star.

I would pass on paying Christian Wood big money too. If we keep Knox/Iggy, I would give them a chance to get some run off the bench.

He’s very similar to John Collins. I mean I would love to have Collins on the Knicks and Toppin looks like him but with a better 3 ball. And we have Mitch to cover some of his defensive weaknesses. I wouldn’t mind taking him. He has star potential and that’s what matters the most to me. Not really worried about his age.. 22 is very young.

He's older than John Collins and Collins is going into his 4th NBA season...

Obi is going to be productive...but its nothing you can't get in NBA free agency. We signed Julius Randle and Portis in the offseason. Signing offensive minded scoring and rebounding PF's isn't that hard to come across.

[RHODEY]

Cole falling to 13 again

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I can’t see this order happening. At least two of Obi, Deni, and Okoro should go before Hayes and Haliburton based on talent and need.

Tbh I only posted this to take another shot at Coleslaw

[3toheadmelo]

I just don't see him as BPA at #6. He can score, but looks like he will be a huge defensive liability and is already 22. Think the age is a red flag along with the way he plays. There are better gambles for the Knicks to take top 6-8. Don't really want another 4 that is horrible on the defensive end, unless its a star.

I would pass on paying Christian Wood big money too. If we keep Knox/Iggy, I would give them a chance to get some run off the bench.

He’s very similar to John Collins. I mean I would love to have Collins on the Knicks and Toppin looks like him but with a better 3 ball. And we have Mitch to cover some of his defensive weaknesses. I wouldn’t mind taking him. He has star potential and that’s what matters the most to me. Not really worried about his age.. 22 is very young.

He's older than John Collins and Collins is going into his 4th NBA season...

Obi is going to be productive...but its nothing you can't get in NBA free agency. We signed Julius Randle and Portis in the offseason. Signing offensive minded scoring and rebounding PF's isn't that hard to come across.

Brandon Clarke is 23 and looks like a steal. His age doesn’t really concern me.

Would rather draft Obi instead of overpaying for an player like Christian wood who only played good for a short period of time.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Haliburton is definitely a way better scorer than Frank. Frank never had a stretch of games like this ever.

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Who needs Haliburton when Knicks have:

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I like this guy more

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bruh, don't lose yourself. going full red vines is not a good look.

[3toheadmelo]

Who needs Haliburton when Knicks have:

Watch on YouTube

I like this guy more

Watch on YouTube

bruh, don't lose yourself. going full red vines is not a good look.

I don’t have time to make vids like him. But his vids had me dead

[mpharris36]

He’s very similar to John Collins. I mean I would love to have Collins on the Knicks and Toppin looks like him but with a better 3 ball. And we have Mitch to cover some of his defensive weaknesses. I wouldn’t mind taking him. He has star potential and that’s what matters the most to me. Not really worried about his age.. 22 is very young.

He's older than John Collins and Collins is going into his 4th NBA season...

Obi is going to be productive...but its nothing you can't get in NBA free agency. We signed Julius Randle and Portis in the offseason. Signing offensive minded scoring and rebounding PF's isn't that hard to come across.

Brandon Clarke is 23 and looks like a steal. His age doesn’t really concern me.

Would rather draft Obi instead of overpaying for an player like Christian wood who only played good for a short period of time.

Clarke at the time he was drafted was and still is a significantly better defensive player so I don't understand the comp. Obi's lateral movement is that of a 90 year old grandma. He literally will be a liability on that end and he's old. It really limits his upside. Clarke was also a late 1st round pick. You would be taking Obi as a top 5-6 pick. I wouldnt be shooting for more than a worse defensive version of Brandon Clarke with a top 5-6 pick.

And you don't like Wood who is only a little older than Obi, had played in the NBA and has played really well recently. And they both aren't good defenders but at least Wood can block shots. Obi doesn't even do that.

David Lee is actually a pretty good comparison with his potential NBA impact.

[mpharris36]

This is also important to note. If your true PF can't also switch as a small ball 5 because his defense becomes a liability then you have very little roster flexibility. A lot of teams don't play traditional center and PF lineups so at the end of the games. When the lakers go with AD at the 5 and LeBron at the 4 who is Obi guarding?

What about the Bucks. When they go Giannis at the 4?

Obi has very little positional versatility because he is a true PF in the sense he can't be a defensive anchor at the 5. So he is pretty stuck at the 4. Which means that he will also have to always play with a defensive minded center. Which severely limits your ability to go small.

You would either be forced to play Mitch for defensive purposes and Obi is on the bench. Or you would play Obi at the 5 and completely disregard defense.

[3toheadmelo]

He's older than John Collins and Collins is going into his 4th NBA season...

Obi is going to be productive...but its nothing you can't get in NBA free agency. We signed Julius Randle and Portis in the offseason. Signing offensive minded scoring and rebounding PF's isn't that hard to come across.

Brandon Clarke is 23 and looks like a steal. His age doesn’t really concern me.

Would rather draft Obi instead of overpaying for an player like Christian wood who only played good for a short period of time.

Clarke at the time he was drafted was and still is a significantly better defensive player so I don't understand the comp. Obi's lateral movement is that of a 90 year old grandma. He literally will be a liability on that end and he's old. It really limits his upside. Clarke was also a late 1st round pick. You would be taking Obi as a top 5-6 pick. I wouldnt be shooting for more than a worse defensive version of Brandon Clarke with a top 5-6 pick.

And you don't like Wood who is only a little older than Obi, had played in the NBA and has played really well recently. And they both aren't good defenders but at least Wood can block shots. Obi doesn't even do that.

David Lee is actually a pretty good comparison with his potential NBA impact.

He’s 22 stop acting like he’s 45 you acting like he can’t improve on anything.
And Wood is still a defensive liability so I don’t care if he blocks shots.

[mpharris36]

Brandon Clarke is 23 and looks like a steal. His age doesn’t really concern me.

Would rather draft Obi instead of overpaying for an player like Christian wood who only played good for a short period of time.

Clarke at the time he was drafted was and still is a significantly better defensive player so I don't understand the comp. Obi's lateral movement is that of a 90 year old grandma. He literally will be a liability on that end and he's old. It really limits his upside. Clarke was also a late 1st round pick. You would be taking Obi as a top 5-6 pick. I wouldnt be shooting for more than a worse defensive version of Brandon Clarke with a top 5-6 pick.

And you don't like Wood who is only a little older than Obi, had played in the NBA and has played really well recently. And they both aren't good defenders but at least Wood can block shots. Obi doesn't even do that.

David Lee is actually a pretty good comparison with his potential NBA impact.

He’s 22 stop acting like he’s 45 you acting like he can’t improve on anything.
And Wood is still a defensive liability so I don’t care if he blocks shots.

but you want to use a high draft pick on a bigger defensive liability?

[3toheadmelo]

Clarke at the time he was drafted was and still is a significantly better defensive player so I don't understand the comp. Obi's lateral movement is that of a 90 year old grandma. He literally will be a liability on that end and he's old. It really limits his upside. Clarke was also a late 1st round pick. You would be taking Obi as a top 5-6 pick. I wouldnt be shooting for more than a worse defensive version of Brandon Clarke with a top 5-6 pick.

And you don't like Wood who is only a little older than Obi, had played in the NBA and has played really well recently. And they both aren't good defenders but at least Wood can block shots. Obi doesn't even do that.

David Lee is actually a pretty good comparison with his potential NBA impact.

He’s 22 stop acting like he’s 45 you acting like he can’t improve on anything.
And Wood is still a defensive liability so I don’t care if he blocks shots.

but you want to use a high draft pick on a bigger defensive liability?

Toppin is a way better scorer, both have similar defensive impact and toppin is 3 years younger. So yeah I’ll take Toppin over Wood all day.

[3toheadmelo]

Wood was not even good at 22 years old lol

[Deeeez Knicks]

I won’t be mad at all cause he is the BPA if he’s still available. He can be a scoring machine. He also saves us from overpaying for Christian Wood.

I just don't see him as BPA at #6. He can score, but looks like he will be a huge defensive liability and is already 22. Think the age is a red flag along with the way he plays. There are better gambles for the Knicks to take top 6-8. Don't really want another 4 that is horrible on the defensive end, unless its a star.

I would pass on paying Christian Wood big money too. If we keep Knox/Iggy, I would give them a chance to get some run off the bench.

He’s very similar to John Collins. I mean I would love to have Collins on the Knicks and Toppin looks like him but with a better 3 ball. And we have Mitch to cover some of his defensive weaknesses. I wouldn’t mind taking him. He has star potential and that’s what matters the most to me. Not really worried about his age.. 22 is very young.

I would take John Collins, but I would still rather have a good PG. I dont know if Obi will be as good as John Collins either. 22, but also dominating a weaker conference. It's more so the way he plays and scores since he wont be bigger/older/stronger then NBA players. Don't know how much that will translate over and be as effective in the NBA. Plus the overall game/way he plays, just doesn't seem that valuable in todays game especially without defense.

Maybe he does become David Lee/Collins as his upside, but think his downside is much worse or he ends up being below that. If he is not a good scorer, he will be unplayable. A lot of ways he could just end up not being good or an overall liability. Don't see him as a good risk to take for the Knicks. Think there are much better picks to take in the top 8 of this draft who I see with better upside for the Knicks.

Guess overall, I see Obi kinda becoming a good player off the bench/part time player that can score and put up some points. Just wouldnt pick him at #6

[3toheadmelo]

I just don't see him as BPA at #6. He can score, but looks like he will be a huge defensive liability and is already 22. Think the age is a red flag along with the way he plays. There are better gambles for the Knicks to take top 6-8. Don't really want another 4 that is horrible on the defensive end, unless its a star.

I would pass on paying Christian Wood big money too. If we keep Knox/Iggy, I would give them a chance to get some run off the bench.

He’s very similar to John Collins. I mean I would love to have Collins on the Knicks and Toppin looks like him but with a better 3 ball. And we have Mitch to cover some of his defensive weaknesses. I wouldn’t mind taking him. He has star potential and that’s what matters the most to me. Not really worried about his age.. 22 is very young.

I would take John Collins, but I would still rather have a good PG. I dont know if Obi will be as good as John Collins either. 22, but also dominating a weaker conference. It's more so the way he plays and scores since he wont be bigger/older/stronger then NBA players. Don't know how much that will translate over and be as effective in the NBA. Plus the overall game/way he plays, just doesn't seem that valuable in todays game especially without defense.

Maybe he does become David Lee/Collins as his upside, but think his downside is much worse or he ends up being below that. If he is not a good scorer, he will be unplayable. A lot of ways he could just end up not being good or an overall liability. Don't see him as a good risk to take for the Knicks. Think there are much better picks to take in the top 8 of this draft who I see with better upside for the Knicks.

Guess overall, I see Obi kinda becoming a good player off the bench/part time player that can score and put up some points. Just wouldnt pick him at #6

I rather swing for the fences and take him cause of his potential upside but I can see why you would rather have a PG

[mpharris36]

He’s 22 stop acting like he’s 45 you acting like he can’t improve on anything.
And Wood is still a defensive liability so I don’t care if he blocks shots.

but you want to use a high draft pick on a bigger defensive liability?

Toppin is a way better scorer, both have similar defensive impact and toppin is 3 years younger. So yeah I’ll take Toppin over Wood all day.

see its not an either or.

he's a way better scorer because he was a grown man playing in the A10? Christian Wood while the sample size was small this year was an offensive force in the NBA. Not in the A10.

And the difference isnt Obi or Wood. Its using a top 6 pick on Obi then you can use the FA $ elsewhere. You can sign Bertans, you can sign Wood, you can take on another bad contract for a draft pick. Or you do nothing and Randle finishes out his contract.

But the real talk is no Wood vs Obi. Its Obi vs passing on another prospect in the draft.

[3toheadmelo]

but you want to use a high draft pick on a bigger defensive liability?

Toppin is a way better scorer, both have similar defensive impact and toppin is 3 years younger. So yeah I’ll take Toppin over Wood all day.

see its not an either or.

he's a way better scorer because he was a grown man playing in the A10? Christian Wood while the sample size was small this year was an offensive force in the NBA. Not in the A10.

And the difference is Obi or Wood. Its using a top 6 pick on Obi then you can use the FA $ elsewhere. You can sign Bertans, you can sign Wood, you can take on another bad contract.

But the real talk is no Wood vs Obi. Its Obi vs passing on another prospect in the draft.

Yes would rather use FA $ on a different position instead of PF. No thanks to Wood, Bertans. Obi is better than them all.