2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4)

[Deeeez Knicks]

He’s very similar to John Collins. I mean I would love to have Collins on the Knicks and Toppin looks like him but with a better 3 ball. And we have Mitch to cover some of his defensive weaknesses. I wouldn’t mind taking him. He has star potential and that’s what matters the most to me. Not really worried about his age.. 22 is very young.

I would take John Collins, but I would still rather have a good PG. I dont know if Obi will be as good as John Collins either. 22, but also dominating a weaker conference. It's more so the way he plays and scores since he wont be bigger/older/stronger then NBA players. Don't know how much that will translate over and be as effective in the NBA. Plus the overall game/way he plays, just doesn't seem that valuable in todays game especially without defense.

Maybe he does become David Lee/Collins as his upside, but think his downside is much worse or he ends up being below that. If he is not a good scorer, he will be unplayable. A lot of ways he could just end up not being good or an overall liability. Don't see him as a good risk to take for the Knicks. Think there are much better picks to take in the top 8 of this draft who I see with better upside for the Knicks.

Guess overall, I see Obi kinda becoming a good player off the bench/part time player that can score and put up some points. Just wouldnt pick him at #6

I rather swing for the fences and take him cause of his potential upside but I can see why you would rather have a PG

I think his upside is still limited and dont think he'll be star. I dont think that is a swing for the fence pick.

In that mock I would much rather take Hayes. I would even take Cole or Haliburton over Obi too.

[rajajackal]

anyone interested in trading our pick for donovan mitchell if we fall to the 4-5 range? i get that we could have had him with the frank pick, but we must live in the present. now we can have both. if we parted with our lottery pick this year, we could probably do less damage to our roster in a trade, and maybe get away with a package of something like DSJ, knox + filler (any of the players we signed in 2019) + the 2020 lottery pick for mitchell and return filler.

donovan/frank/RJ/_______/mitch is a very appealing core IMO. mitchell performed with gobert (who is a similar player to robinson), and his potency as a scoring combo guard pairs really well with both ntilikina and barrett, who are both competent facilitators

we have the clippers pick, the mavs picks, and all of our future 1sts in tact, and we get a player we know can contribute and boost the guys we already have from the "PG" position (think iverson with snow), rather than drafting someone green and having to add years to our timeline. donovan mitchell provides a a spark plug for our offense, and his presence might lift everyone else's play

while i'm Knick-ing out, ya'll know melo fits that empty starting 4 slot like glove

[mpharris36]

Toppin is a way better scorer, both have similar defensive impact and toppin is 3 years younger. So yeah I’ll take Toppin over Wood all day.

see its not an either or.

he's a way better scorer because he was a grown man playing in the A10? Christian Wood while the sample size was small this year was an offensive force in the NBA. Not in the A10.

And the difference is Obi or Wood. Its using a top 6 pick on Obi then you can use the FA $ elsewhere. You can sign Bertans, you can sign Wood, you can take on another bad contract.

But the real talk is no Wood vs Obi. Its Obi vs passing on another prospect in the draft.

Yes would rather use FA $ on a different position instead of PF. No thanks to Wood, Bertans. Obi is better than them all.

and what do you do with Randle? Play Randle and Obi together?

[mpharris36]

I would take John Collins, but I would still rather have a good PG. I dont know if Obi will be as good as John Collins either. 22, but also dominating a weaker conference. It's more so the way he plays and scores since he wont be bigger/older/stronger then NBA players. Don't know how much that will translate over and be as effective in the NBA. Plus the overall game/way he plays, just doesn't seem that valuable in todays game especially without defense.

Maybe he does become David Lee/Collins as his upside, but think his downside is much worse or he ends up being below that. If he is not a good scorer, he will be unplayable. A lot of ways he could just end up not being good or an overall liability. Don't see him as a good risk to take for the Knicks. Think there are much better picks to take in the top 8 of this draft who I see with better upside for the Knicks.

Guess overall, I see Obi kinda becoming a good player off the bench/part time player that can score and put up some points. Just wouldnt pick him at #6

I rather swing for the fences and take him cause of his potential upside but I can see why you would rather have a PG

I think his upside is still limited and dont think he'll be star. I dont think that is a swing for the fence pick.

In that mock I would much rather take Hayes. I would even take Cole or Haliburton over Obi too.

Obi has extremely limited upside because of his age and his inability to play defense. And I don't want to want anyone to tell me he can improve there. He lacks any lateral movement to impact on that end as well as well as having questionable awareness.

He will produce you pts and rebounds. And can be an active player in the P&R/P&P. And should be able to move out and shoot an NBA 3 at a decent clip. But you are really limited your upside here because he has no shot to be a two-way player.

[3toheadmelo]

I would take John Collins, but I would still rather have a good PG. I dont know if Obi will be as good as John Collins either. 22, but also dominating a weaker conference. It's more so the way he plays and scores since he wont be bigger/older/stronger then NBA players. Don't know how much that will translate over and be as effective in the NBA. Plus the overall game/way he plays, just doesn't seem that valuable in todays game especially without defense.

Maybe he does become David Lee/Collins as his upside, but think his downside is much worse or he ends up being below that. If he is not a good scorer, he will be unplayable. A lot of ways he could just end up not being good or an overall liability. Don't see him as a good risk to take for the Knicks. Think there are much better picks to take in the top 8 of this draft who I see with better upside for the Knicks.

Guess overall, I see Obi kinda becoming a good player off the bench/part time player that can score and put up some points. Just wouldnt pick him at #6

I rather swing for the fences and take him cause of his potential upside but I can see why you would rather have a PG

I think his upside is still limited and dont think he'll be star. I dont think that is a swing for the fence pick.

In that mock I would much rather take Hayes. I would even take Cole or Haliburton over Obi too.

It comes down to if you think he has star potential. If you don’t think he has any then yeah you pass on him. Imo he has it

[3toheadmelo]

see its not an either or.

he's a way better scorer because he was a grown man playing in the A10? Christian Wood while the sample size was small this year was an offensive force in the NBA. Not in the A10.

And the difference is Obi or Wood. Its using a top 6 pick on Obi then you can use the FA $ elsewhere. You can sign Bertans, you can sign Wood, you can take on another bad contract.

But the real talk is no Wood vs Obi. Its Obi vs passing on another prospect in the draft.

Yes would rather use FA $ on a different position instead of PF. No thanks to Wood, Bertans. Obi is better than them all.

and what do you do with Randle? Play Randle and Obi together?

Randle as 6th man

[robillionaire]

Yes would rather use FA $ on a different position instead of PF. No thanks to Wood, Bertans. Obi is better than them all.

and what do you do with Randle? Play Randle and Obi together?

Randle as 6th man

Randle is better than Obi. He's not going to get benched for a rookie lol

[3toheadmelo]

and what do you do with Randle? Play Randle and Obi together?

Randle as 6th man

Randle is better than Obi. He's not going to get benched for a rookie lol

The Randle show continues until Obi is able to take his starting spot

[mpharris36]

Randle as 6th man

Randle is better than Obi. He's not going to get benched for a rookie lol

The Randle show continues until Obi is able to take his starting spot

when he's 25

[knickstape21]

This is also important to note. If your true PF can't also switch as a small ball 5 because his defense becomes a liability then you have very little roster flexibility. A lot of teams don't play traditional center and PF lineups so at the end of the games. When the lakers go with AD at the 5 and LeBron at the 4 who is Obi guarding?

What about the Bucks. When they go Giannis at the 4?

Obi has very little positional versatility because he is a true PF in the sense he can't be a defensive anchor at the 5. So he is pretty stuck at the 4. Which means that he will also have to always play with a defensive minded center. Which severely limits your ability to go small.

You would either be forced to play Mitch for defensive purposes and Obi is on the bench. Or you would play Obi at the 5 and completely disregard defense.

This.

Why I like Achiuwa over Obi. More versatility. HIGH upside.

[3toheadmelo]

Randle is better than Obi. He's not going to get benched for a rookie lol

The Randle show continues until Obi is able to take his starting spot

when he's 25

[Deeeez Knicks]

I rather swing for the fences and take him cause of his potential upside but I can see why you would rather have a PG

I think his upside is still limited and dont think he'll be star. I dont think that is a swing for the fence pick.

In that mock I would much rather take Hayes. I would even take Cole or Haliburton over Obi too.

Obi has extremely limited upside because of his age and his inability to play defense. And I don't want to want anyone to tell me he can improve there. He lacks any lateral movement to impact on that end as well as well as having questionable awareness.

He will produce you pts and rebounds. And can be an active player in the P&R/P&P. And should be able to move out and shoot an NBA 3 at a decent clip. But you are really limited your upside here because he has no shot to be a two-way player.

Yea, I am not buying the upside for him. His defense looks really really bad. His handles are pretty loose too...even worse then Randle. Don't think he is someone that will put the ball on the floor much.

He is a player that needs to fit...if you have a good PG that can get him the ball, good defense, good shooters to space the floor...none of which the Knicks have. He would be a horrible pick for the knicks.

[robillionaire]

Obi is 22 and been beating up on the children of the cupcake A10 conference. NBA gonna be different beast.

[El Poochio]

You guys focus too much on what a player is now but it really doesnt matter anything only thing matters is what they are 5 years from now

[El Poochio]

I am not drafting anyone born before 2000 for Knicks new rule

[god shammgod]

the only obi we acknowledge can use the force to stop melo from talking about wiseman every day.

"you'll stop talking about wiseman and you'll like it"

[3toheadmelo]

the only obi we acknowledge can use the force to stop melo from talking about wiseman every day.

"you'll stop talking about wiseman and you'll like it"

You can’t stop me

[HarthorneWingo]

We simply cannot afford to draft a guard who can’t shoot. He doesn’t have to be a scorer, just be able to Haliburton, um, I mean shoot.

[robillionaire]

Obi is 22 and been beating up on the children of the cupcake A10 conference. NBA gonna be different beast.

To add to this, I'm not saying that means he can't be a good player but not getting to see him in the NCAA tournament hurt his draft position imo. With Ja Morant some people were still insisting he was just beating up on bad teams at Murray St. even with the games against alabama and auburn, but when it came tourney time he led Murray to an upset win, a tough battle in the 2nd rd. and he was impressive in both games. Would have been helpful to see Toppin going up against some of the other powerhouses in the tournament

[HEZI]

Of course if you can get Obi or Wood you take it but not at the expense of a PG. In the meantime there is another problem of finding where to dump toxic waste Randle. If he can spin, tumble and fumble his way off the team that would be great. Mills and his money stealing free agents