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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#1021 » by Psubs » Fri May 8, 2020 2:05 pm

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casual_raps_fan wrote:
- Sees himself as a 3, stretch 4
- Believes his game is about intensity, defense, rebounding, sharing the ball
- started playing in the 4th grade
- His dad was (is?) a college coach
- Thinks he needs to work on his consistency

He is saying the right things and his game reflects it. I like him and he would fit in well with the Raptors.


The more I watch Perry, the more I think he fits the raptors:



He could be the bigger version of RHJ with possible 3pt range! :nod:
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Post#1022 » by Psubs » Fri May 8, 2020 2:13 pm

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Psubs wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/2020/05/06/2020-nba-draft-big-board-top-80-rankings

Just missing out with McDaniels at #27. If miss him, I would take Carey if he falls.

This mock draft has Perry 67th, Reed 46, Oturu 45. :o

Maybe this is a good draft to grab an extra 2nd round pick.


No need, there should be good players that fall out of the 2nd round. I have faith that the Raptors will continue to dominate the undrafted market. :D
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#1023 » by niQ » Fri May 8, 2020 2:43 pm

Sir-Swish-A-Lot wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:Those sites are sub tiers of SI "Sherlock". Remember when anyone could sign up to be a writer on BR? You were probably one of them trying to get clicks for cash.

You're getting destroyed in here and on the draft board. Give it up. You're clueless. And here's a news flash, in order to pull someone's credibility card you need to have credibility yourself. Hold that L.

However, I will vouch for one part of your moronic response and that is asking if I was conscious. I JUST CAME TO MY SENSES! Allow me to quote the Bible, "If a wise man argues with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs and there is no peace.” So enjoy the ignore list, "buddy".

Now you are making up stuff about me in order to make yourself feel good, wow.

And bringing religion into the discussion like you are a Prophet.

Stay stuck on stupid- rewind it and loop it, pal.



Both of you need to stop with the personal attacks.
Sir-Swish-A-Lot, enough with posting the same videos over and over again. It is bloating the topics. You can argue about a specific player, but the video spamming has to stop.
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#1024 » by Kevin Willis » Fri May 8, 2020 3:09 pm

niQ wrote:
Sir-Swish-A-Lot wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:Those sites are sub tiers of SI "Sherlock". Remember when anyone could sign up to be a writer on BR? You were probably one of them trying to get clicks for cash.

You're getting destroyed in here and on the draft board. Give it up. You're clueless. And here's a news flash, in order to pull someone's credibility card you need to have credibility yourself. Hold that L.

However, I will vouch for one part of your moronic response and that is asking if I was conscious. I JUST CAME TO MY SENSES! Allow me to quote the Bible, "If a wise man argues with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs and there is no peace.” So enjoy the ignore list, "buddy".

Now you are making up stuff about me in order to make yourself feel good, wow.

And bringing religion into the discussion like you are a Prophet.

Stay stuck on stupid- rewind it and loop it, pal.



Both of you need to stop with the personal attacks.
Sir-Swish-A-Lot, enough with posting the same videos over and over again. It is bloating the topics. You can argue about a specific player, but the video spamming has to stop.


Thanks niQ. By the way, is that your first warning?
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#1025 » by Dalek » Fri May 8, 2020 3:37 pm

Sir-Swish-A-Lot wrote:The Stepien report is concerning Jalen McDaniels not Jaden McDaniels. Jalen is Jaden's brother. My, oh my, reading is fundamental- comprehension is a mental extension.


You are right. I got him confused with his brother who was drafted last year. Apologies to Jaden, as it was his brother who had to settle out of court.

On a related note, Jalen was averaged 16 mins for the Hornets and 5 points and 4 boards on good efficiency.

Jaden may end up a better player but he will have to accept a role where he is more on court as a defender.

He isn't ready to be a Kevin Durant and likely won't come in as a first option. It might be more like a Paul George role who was more of high end defender when he first came in.
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Post#1026 » by Psubs » Fri May 8, 2020 4:19 pm

Dalek wrote:
Sir-Swish-A-Lot wrote:The Stepien report is concerning Jalen McDaniels not Jaden McDaniels. Jalen is Jaden's brother. My, oh my, reading is fundamental- comprehension is a mental extension.


You are right. I got him confused with his brother who was drafted last year. Apologies to Jaden, as it was his brother who had to settle out of court.

On a related note, Jalen was averaged 16 mins for the Hornets and 5 points and 4 boards on good efficiency.

Jaden may end up a better player but he will have to accept a role where he is more on court as a defender.

He isn't ready to be a Kevin Durant and likely won't come in as a first option. It might be more like a Paul George role who was more of high end defender when he first came in.


He'll be like prospect Jonathan Isaac in Orlando. Spend some time in the G-League to learn the system on offense and defense. If there are injuries to swingmen/forwards, he'll get the call up and play some bench minutes.
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Post#1027 » by Indeed » Fri May 8, 2020 4:51 pm

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LoveMyRaps wrote:Jeff Goodman's most recent mock: https://watchstadium.com/jeff-goodmans-2020-nba-mock-draft-2-0-05-06-2020/

Surprisingly he doesn't have Perry being selected in the first round. Methinks, if he's available at #28, he gets picked up by us. At least I'd hope so.

I'm pretty confident that the Raptors will not select Aleksej Pokusevski over Reed, Smith.

The Raptors have a history of doing a great job with players like Reed and Smith. There's no reason for a deep fade away 3 when there is an open corner 3.

Guys like Bolmaro and Dotson make way more sense as well.


I think they have Oturu, Nnaji, Woodard ahead, and not seeing T. Bey
This draft is difficult, as the prospects can move up and down. I think the draft combine result will have much greater impact.
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Post#1028 » by Sir-Swish-A-Lot » Fri May 8, 2020 4:59 pm

niQ wrote:
Sir-Swish-A-Lot wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:Those sites are sub tiers of SI "Sherlock". Remember when anyone could sign up to be a writer on BR? You were probably one of them trying to get clicks for cash.

You're getting destroyed in here and on the draft board. Give it up. You're clueless. And here's a news flash, in order to pull someone's credibility card you need to have credibility yourself. Hold that L.

However, I will vouch for one part of your moronic response and that is asking if I was conscious. I JUST CAME TO MY SENSES! Allow me to quote the Bible, "If a wise man argues with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs and there is no peace.” So enjoy the ignore list, "buddy".

Now you are making up stuff about me in order to make yourself feel good, wow.

And bringing religion into the discussion like you are a Prophet.

Stay stuck on stupid- rewind it and loop it, pal.



Both of you need to stop with the personal attacks.
Sir-Swish-A-Lot, enough with posting the same videos over and over again. It is bloating the topics. You can argue about a specific player, but the video spamming has to stop.

I agree with the personal attacks, fair enough.

That being said you just became a mod and trying to flex over a non issue. I'll give you a pass because you are new to this mod thing but you need to chill out because everything I am doing with posting related player videos is within the forum posting guidelines. It's not spam in any definition of the meaning or spirit of forum spamming. The videos are directly related to the topic.

Videos bloating the topic? C'mon, man that's not even a real particular. Furthermore, I try to post different videos of the same player to show different aspects of said player in related topic discussion. I'll just use the spoiler option from now on to hide my videos. Adding videos is a forum option...Peace
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Post#1029 » by Indeed » Fri May 8, 2020 5:07 pm

Psubs wrote:
super_balls wrote:
casual_raps_fan wrote:
- Sees himself as a 3, stretch 4
- Believes his game is about intensity, defense, rebounding, sharing the ball
- started playing in the 4th grade
- His dad was (is?) a college coach
- Thinks he needs to work on his consistency

He is saying the right things and his game reflects it. I like him and he would fit in well with the Raptors.


The more I watch Perry, the more I think he fits the raptors:



He could be the bigger version of RHJ with possible 3pt range! :nod:


Look more like Patterson to me. His highlight does not show much of his perimeter game, and unsure his lateral quickness as well. Perhaps we get more information from draft combine in the future.
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Post#1030 » by HeadtopChunes » Fri May 8, 2020 5:27 pm

super_balls wrote:
casual_raps_fan wrote:
- Sees himself as a 3, stretch 4
- Believes his game is about intensity, defense, rebounding, sharing the ball
- started playing in the 4th grade
- His dad was (is?) a college coach
- Thinks he needs to work on his consistency

He is saying the right things and his game reflects it. I like him and he would fit in well with the Raptors.


The more I watch Perry, the more I think he fits the raptors:




Perry is a pretty interesting prospect, here's all the information I've managed to gather on him

- 6'9, 7ft wingspan 8'10 standing reach makes him about as big as Julius Randle, Horford or Richauln Holmes
- Played nearly exclusively PF at Mississipi which would affect his PNR roll man numbers and rim protection numbers
- Looks pretty mobile, should be able to switch, hedge and blitz in the NBA fine

Here's his offensive synergy profile
Spoiler:
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- Good handle and perimeter game showed in high school and in flashes at college and team USA, but Mississippi used him as a traditional post scorer, more than letting him play the perimeter, Could argue he was misused pretty badly here even though he was one of the better post scorers in the SEC
- Inconsistent passer, sometimes makes really high level passes other times just misses the open man completely and forces up bad shots he didn't need to.
- The same theme with his defense, it appears he can be really good when he recognizes what to do, but its the actual recognition that's the problem on both ends
- Plays really hard on the court, can get too emotional or caught up in the moment

I think his perimeter game flashes are really interesting, he made all kinds of crazy passes and shots when he was allowed too. Seems like a less talented Bam Adebayo. Who needs strong coaching to succeed.

Some highlights of his perimeter game
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Post#1031 » by Sir-Swish-A-Lot » Fri May 8, 2020 5:44 pm

Dalek wrote:
Sir-Swish-A-Lot wrote:The Stepien report is concerning Jalen McDaniels not Jaden McDaniels. Jalen is Jaden's brother. My, oh my, reading is fundamental- comprehension is a mental extension.


You are right. I got him confused with his brother who was drafted last year. Apologies to Jaden, as it was his brother who had to settle out of court.

On a related note, Jalen was averaged 16 mins for the Hornets and 5 points and 4 boards on good efficiency.

Jaden may end up a better player but he will have to accept a role where he is more on court as a defender.

He isn't ready to be a Kevin Durant and likely won't come in as a first option. It might be more like a Paul George role who was more of high end defender when he first came in.

Jalen hasn't settled anything out of court as of yet. If you knew anything about the case the 2 girls that performed consensual sex acts on video got mad when that video was seen by others. Both of the girls fathers, school principal and the HS basketball coach had a meeting about the issue and came to an agreement that if the video was deleted all would be forgotten.

Also, Police investigated and no legal charges were filed. But when the 2 girls saw that Jalen had a NBA future they filed a civil suit against him years after the incident using the same lawyer to represent the both of them. This is nothing more than a cash grab and the 2 girls in question haven't received any money from Jalen as the civil case has yet to be decided.

As well as, Jaden is already a better player than Jalen. Jaden is a better all around player than his brother and has more potential in his future. Depending on what team draft Jaden's his role will be defined by that particular.

Jaden will most likely spend his first year or two learning the NBA game as most young players do especially if he is drafted by a winning team that has entrenched starters. But if he goes to a young team he may be thrown into the fire to start his career. I would like to see him go to a team that has a winning culture so that he can develop winning habits in his game.

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Post#1032 » by BoyzNTheHood » Fri May 8, 2020 5:59 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:
super_balls wrote:
casual_raps_fan wrote:
- Sees himself as a 3, stretch 4
- Believes his game is about intensity, defense, rebounding, sharing the ball
- started playing in the 4th grade
- His dad was (is?) a college coach
- Thinks he needs to work on his consistency

He is saying the right things and his game reflects it. I like him and he would fit in well with the Raptors.


The more I watch Perry, the more I think he fits the raptors:




Perry is a pretty interesting prospect, here's all the information I've managed to gather on him

- 6'9, 7ft wingspan 8'10 standing reach makes him about as big as Julius Randle, Horford or Richauln Holmes
- Played nearly exclusively PF at Mississipi which would affect his PNR roll man numbers and rim protection numbers
- Looks pretty mobile, should be able to switch, hedge and blitz in the NBA fine

Here's his offensive synergy profile
Spoiler:
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- Good handle and perimeter game showed in high school and in flashes at college and team USA, but Mississippi used him as a traditional post scorer, more than letting him play the perimeter, Could argue he was misused pretty badly here even though he was one of the better post scorers in the SEC
- Inconsistent passer, sometimes makes really high level passes other times just misses the open man completely and forces up bad shots he didn't need to.
- The same theme with his defense, it appears he can be really good when he recognizes what to do, but its the actual recognition that's the problem on both ends
- Plays really hard on the court, can get too emotional or caught up in the moment

I think his perimeter game flashes are really interesting, he made all kinds of crazy passes and shots when he was allowed too. Seems like a less talented Bam Adebayo. Who needs strong coaching to succeed.

Some highlights of his perimeter game
Spoiler:
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I like him


If he can turn into a lower tier Bam or Randle that's not a bad player at all. My only issue is the IQ. Sure, Nurse is a great coach but if a guy is more reactive than proactive when it comes to plays it's a bad look.
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Post#1033 » by HeadtopChunes » Fri May 8, 2020 6:39 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
super_balls wrote:
The more I watch Perry, the more I think he fits the raptors:




Perry is a pretty interesting prospect, here's all the information I've managed to gather on him

- 6'9, 7ft wingspan 8'10 standing reach makes him about as big as Julius Randle, Horford or Richauln Holmes
- Played nearly exclusively PF at Mississipi which would affect his PNR roll man numbers and rim protection numbers
- Looks pretty mobile, should be able to switch, hedge and blitz in the NBA fine

Here's his offensive synergy profile
Spoiler:
Image


- Good handle and perimeter game showed in high school and in flashes at college and team USA, but Mississippi used him as a traditional post scorer, more than letting him play the perimeter, Could argue he was misused pretty badly here even though he was one of the better post scorers in the SEC
- Inconsistent passer, sometimes makes really high level passes other times just misses the open man completely and forces up bad shots he didn't need to.
- The same theme with his defense, it appears he can be really good when he recognizes what to do, but its the actual recognition that's the problem on both ends
- Plays really hard on the court, can get too emotional or caught up in the moment

I think his perimeter game flashes are really interesting, he made all kinds of crazy passes and shots when he was allowed too. Seems like a less talented Bam Adebayo. Who needs strong coaching to succeed.

Some highlights of his perimeter game
Spoiler:
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Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

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I like him


If he can turn into a lower tier Bam or Randle that's not a bad player at all. My only issue is the IQ. Sure, Nurse is a great coach but if a guy is more reactive than proactive when it comes to plays it's a bad look.


I think that's a really fair criticism tbh. Although Nurse and the rest of the team seemingly upgrading Ibaka's IQ 10 years into his career has me feeling optimistic.
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Post#1034 » by Dalek » Fri May 8, 2020 7:00 pm

Psubs wrote:
Dalek wrote:
Sir-Swish-A-Lot wrote:The Stepien report is concerning Jalen McDaniels not Jaden McDaniels. Jalen is Jaden's brother. My, oh my, reading is fundamental- comprehension is a mental extension.


You are right. I got him confused with his brother who was drafted last year. Apologies to Jaden, as it was his brother who had to settle out of court.

On a related note, Jalen was averaged 16 mins for the Hornets and 5 points and 4 boards on good efficiency.

Jaden may end up a better player but he will have to accept a role where he is more on court as a defender.

He isn't ready to be a Kevin Durant and likely won't come in as a first option. It might be more like a Paul George role who was more of high end defender when he first came in.


He'll be like prospect Jonathan Isaac in Orlando. Spend some time in the G-League to learn the system on offense and defense. If there are injuries to swingmen/forwards, he'll get the call up and play some bench minutes.


Can see that path, but it took Isaac a while to find his niche. With young players (especially lottery players) it is about making the right choices early. Some want to become stars and focus more on being scorers, but like Isaac this guy will have to show he can defend.

I looked at McDaniels block numbers, and while he has a good block%, he also has troubling foul trouble. It is cool to be a weakside shotblocker, but you have to be careful about fouls and knowing when to rotate and switch so it doesn't leave shooter open.

I don't think McDaniels will be as easy a fit as other guys like Pat Williams or Precious Achuiwa, but I am opening myself up to him having higher upside than the others because he looks like he has some advanced handles.
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Post#1035 » by LoveMyRaps » Fri May 8, 2020 8:57 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:
super_balls wrote:
casual_raps_fan wrote:
- Sees himself as a 3, stretch 4
- Believes his game is about intensity, defense, rebounding, sharing the ball
- started playing in the 4th grade
- His dad was (is?) a college coach
- Thinks he needs to work on his consistency

He is saying the right things and his game reflects it. I like him and he would fit in well with the Raptors.


The more I watch Perry, the more I think he fits the raptors:




Perry is a pretty interesting prospect, here's all the information I've managed to gather on him

- 6'9, 7ft wingspan 8'10 standing reach makes him about as big as Julius Randle, Horford or Richauln Holmes
- Played nearly exclusively PF at Mississipi which would affect his PNR roll man numbers and rim protection numbers
- Looks pretty mobile, should be able to switch, hedge and blitz in the NBA fine

Here's his offensive synergy profile
Spoiler:
Image


- Good handle and perimeter game showed in high school and in flashes at college and team USA, but Mississippi used him as a traditional post scorer, more than letting him play the perimeter, Could argue he was misused pretty badly here even though he was one of the better post scorers in the SEC
- Inconsistent passer, sometimes makes really high level passes other times just misses the open man completely and forces up bad shots he didn't need to.
- The same theme with his defense, it appears he can be really good when he recognizes what to do, but its the actual recognition that's the problem on both ends
- Plays really hard on the court, can get too emotional or caught up in the moment

I think his perimeter game flashes are really interesting, he made all kinds of crazy passes and shots when he was allowed too. Seems like a less talented Bam Adebayo. Who needs strong coaching to succeed.

Some highlights of his perimeter game
Spoiler:
Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

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I like him


This is a pretty fair evaluation of Perry.
You're right about him being an inconsistent passer, but that's the part of the game that I find the most intriguing. I think Gasol can be the perfect mentor for him.
His outside shooting is a work in progress, but he made signficant strides in his game from his freshman year to his sophomore year, to me that speaks volumes about his work ethic.
Like I've said before, he has all the tools to be an all-star in the league if put in the right system (like the Raptors).

I find him to be a poor mans JJJ & Kevon Looney hybrid.

Unfortunately, I still don't see him dropping to us. Even though these mocks have him, and just about every other prospect, all over the board. I think he'll impress in the combine and end up getting selected in the early-mid 20's.
If he does drop to us, it's a no-brainer to draft him IMO & I'll celebrate in style if we do.
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Post#1036 » by Indeed » Fri May 8, 2020 10:18 pm

Wonder how do people feel about Marcus Carr (Canadian)? He looks a bit like Lowry.
Perhaps an invite to training camp?
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Post#1037 » by Ell Curry » Fri May 8, 2020 10:52 pm

Psubs wrote:
casual_raps_fan wrote:He's a good drop candidate like Skal Labissiere, who was drafted #28 after chatter about him going in the lottery. 4 years (now 24 years old) in the league and he's starting to look like a decent backup big.


With the cap going down we will presumably keep Boucher, but for some other team I could see Skal being a clever and cheap signing as a 3rd string center this summer. His long 2s and FTs suggest he could start hitting 3s at a decent clip and the Hawks have Capela and Dedmon and Collins (played their best ball with him as a smallball 5) so no reason for them to match anything really.
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Post#1038 » by Psubs » Fri May 8, 2020 11:03 pm

Indeed wrote:Wonder how do people feel about Marcus Carr (Canadian)? He looks a bit like Lowry.
Perhaps an invite to training camp?




Someone mentioned that they play Pack Line defense thus he averages only 1 steal per game.

The A/T > 2 is decent. Maybe a 3rd Undrafted 3rd PG candidate!

They beat Ohio State twice.




Carr had the last 2 buckets in the win!

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Post#1039 » by casual_raps_fan » Fri May 8, 2020 11:17 pm

Psubs wrote:
casual_raps_fan wrote:
Psubs wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/2020/05/06/2020-nba-draft-big-board-top-80-rankings

Just missing out with McDaniels at #27. If miss him, I would take Carey if he falls.

This mock draft has Perry 67th, Reed 46, Oturu 45. :o

Maybe this is a good draft to grab an extra 2nd round pick.


No need, there should be good players that fall out of the 2nd round. I have faith that the Raptors will continue to dominate the undrafted market. :D

Music to my ears. :D
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Post#1040 » by Psubs » Fri May 8, 2020 11:26 pm

casual_raps_fan wrote:
Psubs wrote:
casual_raps_fan wrote:This mock draft has Perry 67th, Reed 46, Oturu 45. :o

Maybe this is a good draft to grab an extra 2nd round pick.


No need, there should be good players that fall out of the 2nd round. I have faith that the Raptors will continue to dominate the undrafted market. :D

Music to my ears. :D


I have so much faith in our front office. I think Malik Fitts is a great candidate that fills the backup forward position. Maybe gamble on an international prospect with #58 just to retain their rights. Or just take Fitts at #58. :D
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