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Post#1822 » by cberry78 » Sat May 9, 2020 12:51 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:I think we can all agree that Kelly Oubre is not worth over 20 million a year. His current contract is fair. If James Jones trades him this offseason it’s because he knows Oubre will get 20-25 million in his next contract with another team. If Oubre gets traded and signs around 15 million a year with another team, I’d be pissed.

I’m a huge Kelly Oubre fan and think this board doesn’t value him as much as we should. The Suns’ culture has changed in such a positive way and he has a lot to do with it. I worry if they trade him how the rest of the team would feel. He’s huge in the locker room.

I would trade Oubre if the Suns were getting GREAT value back, won’t do it just to do it. The most popular trade idea of Aaron Gordon for Oubre I would consider but ultimately pass. Should be an interesting offseason and decision to make going into next year’s deadline.


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Is KO worth 17 or 18 a year? What's the cut off point for his next salary?

(Assuming this year wasn't a fluke and he continues on the trajectory we've seen the last 2 seasons)
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Post#1823 » by Wilber85 » Sat May 9, 2020 1:11 am

I just laugh at people saying get rid of KO for scrubs who aren't proven.

Do you think someone will pay Oubre $20 mill a year? I think we should offer him 4 year 62 mill about 16 million a year.

If we can build around Booker, Ayton, Oubre (Still better than bridges) and have Bridges get his 3 down for our 3 & D guy. We will be good to go.

This year if we were healthy and no suspension we would be fighting for 8th seed
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Post#1824 » by nevetsov » Sat May 9, 2020 1:17 am

Oubre's case is a very interesting one because, like you all have mentioned, there are so many moving parts at play right now:

1) He expires next season when, currently, most teams have set up for a free agent frenzy

2) his new agent has proven that he can get mega deals for his clients

3) There is a great unknown when it comes to the cap due to the COVID19 - in place of an expected jump it will likely reduce, affecting current cap space projections

4) the 2021 draft is expected to be stacked with talent

5) we are trying to win now to appease our young stars, but also be conscious of how we maintain that in considering the above future considerations.

To me, the standout point is how we afford an extension for Oubre with 2 other max contracts on the books post 2021-22 (one year into Oubre's extension when Ayton and Bridges get paid), while also addressing the need for a PG and filling out the rest of the roster. Any time a team has a max assigned to a big, you really only have big money to throw at 2 of the 3 PG/SG/SF spots. And with Book on a max, allocating potentially big money to Oubre while we have a decent role playing (cost effective) replacement option in Bridges on the books seems a little redundant.

Now, if we had a role playing 3&D rookie scale PF on the roster currently (one with the same production and potential as Bridges) I wouldn't be that concerned. But our talent redundancy is at SF.

For these reasons, as much as I love Oubre and what he brings to our team as far as fire, heart and chemistry, I would definitely sell while he has some heat in a trade for Aaron Gordon.

Additional considerations:

1) Aaron Gordon's contract reduces over time, from $18m next season to $16m in its final year. This will likely align with the impending cap

2) AG has an additional year on Oubre, so he won't be up for grabs in next year's free agent frenzy

3) AG expires and the same time Rubio does (2 seasons' time) which is when Ayton and Bridges get paid. So it aligns the juncture for us to redistribute money based on performance over the next 2 seasons

4) balances the roster to give us a competent starter at both F spots, instead of doubling up at SF and forcing one to play big.
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Post#1827 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat May 9, 2020 3:58 pm

Jdiddy701 wrote:I think we can all agree that Kelly Oubre is not worth over 20 million a year. His current contract is fair. If James Jones trades him this offseason it’s because he knows Oubre will get 20-25 million in his next contract with another team. If Oubre gets traded and signs around 15 million a year with another team, I’d be pissed.

I’m a huge Kelly Oubre fan and think this board doesn’t value him as much as we should. The Suns’ culture has changed in such a positive way and he has a lot to do with it. I worry if they trade him how the rest of the team would feel. He’s huge in the locker room.

I would trade Oubre if the Suns were getting GREAT value back, won’t do it just to do it. The most popular trade idea of Aaron Gordon for Oubre I would consider but ultimately pass. Should be an interesting offseason and decision to make going into next year’s deadline.


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Great points man! And I for my part, actually DO really like Oubre for his moxy, bravado, charisma, overall confidence relentless energy and aggressive play that he brings to the team!! Traits that I think are crucial to our team taking that next step! But these traits are usually unfortunately missing from this team, aside from him. Which do make him highly valued to us!

However, I am also greatly concerned with his untimely Unrestricted free agency, During one of the biggest, most anticipated free agency summers in a long time. And one in which quite a few teams have been aggressively preparing for. Which unfortunately coincides with his breakout production and ultimate emergence as a starter level player just entering his prime. Now you throw all of those teams that will be pooling large chunks of cap space, in order to make some sort of splash to their fanbase, along with the reality that not every franchise will be able to sign a BIG NAME free agent. Then of course there will be a number of teams that will direct that unused cap towards Oubre as a " plan B" signing for their team.

This of course would greatly complicate our plans for extending our core players in Bridges and Ayton, As well as Ayton. And on top of that, Our ability to sign or improve our roster at other positions, when we're really almost 3 deep at the 3 anyways. Lastly is the icing on the cake with Oubres' unfortunate knee injury. I'm glad that he seems to be recovering well so far, But you have to wonder what cost it will have for his long term athleticism, Burst, mentality, and /or durability. That would make him somewhat of a big risk at his p and projected pricetag I'd have to believe.

I think then, at that point, You'd have to ask yourself .....................IF I actually had to choose to let one of the 3 wings in Oubre/ Bridges/ Cam go due to salary constraints, etc. Would we really prefer to let Bridges, Or even Cam Johnson go in order to take that gamble on a recently injured Oubre that could be making over 20+ million???

Similar to when the teams overpayed players like Tyler Johnson, Luol Deng, Evan Turner, Allen Crabbe, or Timovey Mosgov. I just think that we need to be really careful with our cap space going forward into our core extension periods. That's simply one reason why I like the draft assets and expiring contracts. Not because I want to concede losing a trade, But because I recognize the moment value in the additional cap space that would afford us by acquiring cost controlled talent, Heading into that huge free agency, But more importantly during our very important core extensions. There's just so many things that must be considered with this. And I do think that James Jones and the front office do absolutely realize this, which is why you actually hear him somewhat hyping the draft to not be so bad as percieved.

I believe that they have a specific trade for Oubre in the works, And are looking at the draft to find his potential replacement in terms of production at a lower contractual cost ( Vassell/ **Saddiq Bey/ Aaron Nesmith) All James type of guys.Jones, While unilaterally setting the framework to finalize a trade for a starting caliber 4 or 3/4 ( *** Maybe Markannen/ Gordon etc) in a trade on draft night. I think that they're planning this due to the long term implications of what they've discussed and anticipate for Oubre to command in a free agency that will have an oversaturation of teams with available cap space. Just my wild, crazy theory! :D
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Post#1828 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat May 9, 2020 4:00 pm

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Jdiddy701 wrote:I think we can all agree that Kelly Oubre is not worth over 20 million a year. His current contract is fair. If James Jones trades him this offseason it’s because he knows Oubre will get 20-25 million in his next contract with another team. If Oubre gets traded and signs around 15 million a year with another team, I’d be pissed.

I’m a huge Kelly Oubre fan and think this board doesn’t value him as much as we should. The Suns’ culture has changed in such a positive way and he has a lot to do with it. I worry if they trade him how the rest of the team would feel. He’s huge in the locker room.

I would trade Oubre if the Suns were getting GREAT value back, won’t do it just to do it. The most popular trade idea of Aaron Gordon for Oubre I would consider but ultimately pass. Should be an interesting offseason and decision to make going into next year’s deadline.


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Is KO worth 17 or 18 a year? What's the cut off point for his next salary?

(Assuming this year wasn't a fluke and he continues on the trajectory we've seen the last 2 seasons)


I'd for my part, put his cap at 18 million. And that's being generous without seeing him first improve upon his efficiency, iso scoring, and playmaking skills.
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Post#1829 » by bigfoot » Sat May 9, 2020 6:22 pm

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cberry78 wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:I think we can all agree that Kelly Oubre is not worth over 20 million a year. His current contract is fair. If James Jones trades him this offseason it’s because he knows Oubre will get 20-25 million in his next contract with another team. If Oubre gets traded and signs around 15 million a year with another team, I’d be pissed.

I’m a huge Kelly Oubre fan and think this board doesn’t value him as much as we should. The Suns’ culture has changed in such a positive way and he has a lot to do with it. I worry if they trade him how the rest of the team would feel. He’s huge in the locker room.

I would trade Oubre if the Suns were getting GREAT value back, won’t do it just to do it. The most popular trade idea of Aaron Gordon for Oubre I would consider but ultimately pass. Should be an interesting offseason and decision to make going into next year’s deadline.


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Is KO worth 17 or 18 a year? What's the cut off point for his next salary?

(Assuming this year wasn't a fluke and he continues on the trajectory we've seen the last 2 seasons)


I'd for my part, put his cap at 18 million. And that's being generous without seeing him first improve upon his efficiency, iso scoring, and playmaking skills.


So his COVID-19 adjusted salary will be around $11M per year since the NBA expects a 40% drop in Basketball Related Income (BRI).
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Post#1830 » by Slim Charless » Sat May 9, 2020 7:26 pm

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cberry78 wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:I think we can all agree that Kelly Oubre is not worth over 20 million a year. His current contract is fair. If James Jones trades him this offseason it’s because he knows Oubre will get 20-25 million in his next contract with another team. If Oubre gets traded and signs around 15 million a year with another team, I’d be pissed.

I’m a huge Kelly Oubre fan and think this board doesn’t value him as much as we should. The Suns’ culture has changed in such a positive way and he has a lot to do with it. I worry if they trade him how the rest of the team would feel. He’s huge in the locker room.

I would trade Oubre if the Suns were getting GREAT value back, won’t do it just to do it. The most popular trade idea of Aaron Gordon for Oubre I would consider but ultimately pass. Should be an interesting offseason and decision to make going into next year’s deadline.


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Is KO worth 17 or 18 a year? What's the cut off point for his next salary?

(Assuming this year wasn't a fluke and he continues on the trajectory we've seen the last 2 seasons)


I'd for my part, put his cap at 18 million. And that's being generous without seeing him first improve upon his efficiency, iso scoring, and playmaking skills.


You know I've been thinking who can use someone like Kelly and has no chance at grabbing any FAs next year and Detroit kept coming up. They're not signing anyone no matter what $$$ they have available. If they land at let's say 3 (outside of Melo/Edwards) I wonder if they'd be down for a trade of KO+10 for Kennard+3? They move down a bit but can still grab a young guy while getting someone like KO who could be a focal point for them and who might resign there since they could offer him more. For us, we get someone we were rumored to be after anyway while moving up enough to get Toppin/Okgongwu or one of the PGs if we still want to get that way...
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Post#1831 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat May 9, 2020 11:16 pm

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cberry78 wrote:Is KO worth 17 or 18 a year? What's the cut off point for his next salary?

(Assuming this year wasn't a fluke and he continues on the trajectory we've seen the last 2 seasons)


I'd for my part, put his cap at 18 million. And that's being generous without seeing him first improve upon his efficiency, iso scoring, and playmaking skills.


So his COVID-19 adjusted salary will be around $11M per year since the NBA expects a 40% drop in Basketball Related Income (BRI).


That'd actually be pretty awesome, IF that were to feasibly happen! :D
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Post#1832 » by nevetsov » Sun May 10, 2020 12:54 am

Another thing to think about next season:

- If Oubre goes out an ups it to another level next season, he will get PAID. Young, developing player with even more upside and his best years ahead of him? We won't be able to afford to keep him.

- If his play regresses (due to injury or whatever), we will have lost an opportunity to sell high for either a player like AG or a decent draft pick. So he becomes a wasted asset.

- If he plays about the same, we'll be left wondering if this is the ceiling for him, and we'll have to bid against other teams wagering on the same.

We can't even offer him an extension this off season can we (because it was a 2 year deal)?
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Post#1833 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun May 10, 2020 3:35 am

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cberry78 wrote:Is KO worth 17 or 18 a year? What's the cut off point for his next salary?

(Assuming this year wasn't a fluke and he continues on the trajectory we've seen the last 2 seasons)


I'd for my part, put his cap at 18 million. And that's being generous without seeing him first improve upon his efficiency, iso scoring, and playmaking skills.


You know I've been thinking who can use someone like Kelly and has no chance at grabbing any FAs next year and Detroit kept coming up. They're not signing anyone no matter what $$$ they have available. If they land at let's say 3 (outside of Melo/Edwards) I wonder if they'd be down for a trade of KO+10 for Kennard+3? They move down a bit but can still grab a young guy while getting someone like KO who could be a focal point for them and who might resign there since they could offer him more. For us, we get someone we were rumored to be after anyway while moving up enough to get Toppin/Okgongwu or one of the PGs if we still want to get that way...


That's a pretty intriguing idea man! Even though i'm still a bit concerned with Kennards' injury history, I'd probably do it, And then definitely draft Toppin (1st), Okungwu (2nd) Avdija (3rd) or Hayes( 4th). And then look to trade back using Diallo/ Okobo or Jerome/ future conditional 2nd with either Denver at 21, Or Utah at 24.

If at 21- Draft Tyler Bey ( Oubre replacement). Would also cover well defensively next to Toppin, If we took him! (*** Amare/ Marion 2.0). :o :o :pray:

Or If at 24- Patrick Williams or Jaden Mcdaniels or Aaron Nesmith ( for offense) If we take Okungwu!

Or If we took Avdija, Then at 21, We draft Jalen Smith or Paul Reed.
If atv 24, We draft Patrick Williams or Precious Achiuwa.

Lastly, I still do also like New York, Atlanta and maybe even Charlotte as potential suitors/ trade partners for Oubre.

New York:
We could trade Oubre for Bobby Portis' expiring contract and the 27th pick ( Jaden Mcdaniels or Patrick Williams or Precious Achiuwa). And the Dallas unprotected 2021 first. *** At 10 we take Kira Lewis or Cole Anthony.

Atlanta:
Would you trade Oubre for Dedmons' 13 million contract (*** Only 1 million guaranteed) And John Collins ( They don't really want to pay him the money he wants anyways)?? Or just take the more cost effective option in trading for their pick ( outside of the top 3) And draft Toppin or Okungwu?

Charlotte:
Would you do Oubre for PJ Washington/ Charlottes' 2021 top 5 lottery protected first (unprotected in 2022)???
Or Oubre for PJ Washington/ Charlottes' 2020 # 8 pick?? ( We'd then take Toppin or Okungwu or Avdija at 8 ( whoever falls). And then whichever of Hayes, Haliburton, Lewis or Cole is there at 10. :D
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I'd for my part, put his cap at 18 million. And that's being generous without seeing him first improve upon his efficiency, iso scoring, and playmaking skills.


You know I've been thinking who can use someone like Kelly and has no chance at grabbing any FAs next year and Detroit kept coming up. They're not signing anyone no matter what $$$ they have available. If they land at let's say 3 (outside of Melo/Edwards) I wonder if they'd be down for a trade of KO+10 for Kennard+3? They move down a bit but can still grab a young guy while getting someone like KO who could be a focal point for them and who might resign there since they could offer him more. For us, we get someone we were rumored to be after anyway while moving up enough to get Toppin/Okgongwu or one of the PGs if we still want to get that way...


That's a pretty intriguing idea man! Even though i'm still a bit concerned with Kennards' injury history, I'd probably do it, And then definitely draft Toppin (1st), Okungwu (2nd) Avdija (3rd) or Hayes( 4th). And then look to trade back using Diallo/ Okobo or Jerome/ future conditional 2nd with either Denver at 21, Or Utah at 24.

If at 21- Draft Tyler Bey ( Oubre replacement). Would also cover well defensively next to Toppin, If we took him! (*** Amare/ Marion 2.0). :o :o :pray:

Or If at 24- Patrick Williams or Jaden Mcdaniels or Aaron Nesmith ( for offense) If we take Okungwu!

Or If we took Avdija, Then at 21, We draft Jalen Smith or Paul Reed.
If atv 24, We draft Patrick Williams or Precious Achiuwa.

Lastly, I still do also like New York, Atlanta and maybe even Charlotte as potential suitors/ trade partners for Oubre.

New York:
We could trade Oubre for Bobby Portis' expiring contract and the 27th pick ( Jaden Mcdaniels or Patrick Williams or Precious Achiuwa). And the Dallas unprotected 2021 first. *** At 10 we take Kira Lewis or Cole Anthony.

Atlanta:
Would you trade Oubre for Dedmons' 13 million contract (*** Only 1 million guaranteed) And John Collins ( They don't really want to pay him the money he wants anyways)?? Or just take the more cost effective option in trading for their pick ( outside of the top 3) And draft Toppin or Okungwu?

Charlotte:
Would you do Oubre for PJ Washington/ Charlottes' 2021 top 5 lottery protected first (unprotected in 2022)???
Or Oubre for PJ Washington/ Charlottes' 2020 # 8 pick?? ( We'd then take Toppin or Okungwu or Avdija at 8 ( whoever falls). And then whichever of Hayes, Haliburton, Lewis or Cole is there at 10. :D


That particular NYK trade I wouldn't do but I'm open to others. I dont really like the CHA trade as we have enough wings. Now, that ATL trade i would do that in a heartbeat and would drive Oubre to the airport if that came down. I haven't heard anything about them not wanting Collins tho, is that a thing? He'd be a great spacing option at the 4 to give more room for Ayton while being 3rd option on offense. If there's any possibility that the hawks would do that Jones needs to book a flight (we know Sarvers too cheap to get a private plane) to Atlanta now and make that happen.
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Post#1835 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun May 10, 2020 5:13 am

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You know I've been thinking who can use someone like Kelly and has no chance at grabbing any FAs next year and Detroit kept coming up. They're not signing anyone no matter what $$$ they have available. If they land at let's say 3 (outside of Melo/Edwards) I wonder if they'd be down for a trade of KO+10 for Kennard+3? They move down a bit but can still grab a young guy while getting someone like KO who could be a focal point for them and who might resign there since they could offer him more. For us, we get someone we were rumored to be after anyway while moving up enough to get Toppin/Okgongwu or one of the PGs if we still want to get that way...


That's a pretty intriguing idea man! Even though i'm still a bit concerned with Kennards' injury history, I'd probably do it, And then definitely draft Toppin (1st), Okungwu (2nd) Avdija (3rd) or Hayes( 4th). And then look to trade back using Diallo/ Okobo or Jerome/ future conditional 2nd with either Denver at 21, Or Utah at 24.

If at 21- Draft Tyler Bey ( Oubre replacement). Would also cover well defensively next to Toppin, If we took him! (*** Amare/ Marion 2.0). :o :o :pray:

Or If at 24- Patrick Williams or Jaden Mcdaniels or Aaron Nesmith ( for offense) If we take Okungwu!

Or If we took Avdija, Then at 21, We draft Jalen Smith or Paul Reed.
If atv 24, We draft Patrick Williams or Precious Achiuwa.

Lastly, I still do also like New York, Atlanta and maybe even Charlotte as potential suitors/ trade partners for Oubre.

New York:
We could trade Oubre for Bobby Portis' expiring contract and the 27th pick ( Jaden Mcdaniels or Patrick Williams or Precious Achiuwa). And the Dallas unprotected 2021 first. *** At 10 we take Kira Lewis or Cole Anthony.

Atlanta:
Would you trade Oubre for Dedmons' 13 million contract (*** Only 1 million guaranteed) And John Collins ( They don't really want to pay him the money he wants anyways)?? Or just take the more cost effective option in trading for their pick ( outside of the top 3) And draft Toppin or Okungwu?

Charlotte:
Would you do Oubre for PJ Washington/ Charlottes' 2021 top 5 lottery protected first (unprotected in 2022)???
Or Oubre for PJ Washington/ Charlottes' 2020 # 8 pick?? ( We'd then take Toppin or Okungwu or Avdija at 8 ( whoever falls). And then whichever of Hayes, Haliburton, Lewis or Cole is there at 10. :D


That particular NYK trade I wouldn't do but I'm open to others. I dont really like the CHA trade as we have enough wings. Now, that ATL trade i would do that in a heartbeat and would drive Oubre to the airport if that came down. I haven't heard anything about them not wanting Collins tho, is that a thing? He'd be a great spacing option at the 4 to give more room for Ayton while being 3rd option on offense. If there's any possibility that the hawks would do that Jones needs to book a flight (we know Sarvers too cheap to get a private plane) to Atlanta now and make that happen.


Yes, Actually it was a rumor a while back that Collins believes he's a near max level player, And expects a big payday. But Atlanta wants him to greatly improve his defense before they intend to pay him that kind of money.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/03/10/rumor-hawks-hesitant-to-give-big-contract-extension-to-john-collins/

But with respect to that, I'd have to ask, Is Collins all that different than what Toppins' skill set would offer, And at a much lower cost?

With the Charlotte trade, I don't really like their assets, However, PJ Washington is supposedly a pretty good 3/4 on a rookie contract. And he's shooting around 37% on threes, And is supposedly pretty solid defensively too.
https://www.thestepien.com/pj-washington/

And again, My thinking on the New York trade is that we could alternatively take back Portis' 15 million contract ( **Team Option). Decline it, And then apply that to our current cap space for One of Milsapp/ Ibaka/ Derrick Favors/ Montrez Harrell. Then we could use the remaining space on a veteran backup shooting guard.......Maybe a Bryn Forbes, Or a Alec Burks or a Glenn Robinson the 3rd.

And maybe I'm higher on the 2021 draft than most, But check this out:
https://www.fivereasonssports.com/news/the-2021-nba-draft-class-will-become-one-of-the-best-ever/

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2020/2/12/21130387/nba-draft-2021-2020-players-warriors-timerwolves-cade-cunningham-jalen-green

This draft is simply going to be unbelievably elite! :o :o :o
This is why i'm so adamant about our asset replenishment, As well as acquiring draft assets for 2021. I just feel it's the perfect summer to trade for our 3rd big name established star, Or acquire it in next summers' ridiculous draft and free agency.



And I do really expect Charlotte to be a pretty bad team still next year, Which should increase the likelihood of their 2021 lottery protected first to transfer. Plus the cap space created could give us the opportunity to actually sign a bigger name free agent ourselves this summer even.
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Post#1838 » by Fo-Real » Sun May 10, 2020 4:37 pm

Kelly Oubre seems to be hot on the minds of people posting on the trade boards. I think people are realizing how good he was this year, seemed a breakout year for him. Would like to find a way to keep him.
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Post#1839 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun May 10, 2020 4:45 pm

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A discussion on the CBA and how the salary cap reduction as a result of the Coronavirus might impact certain teams. As well as links and figures to how much lost revenue there might be, And what the salary cap and luxury tax lines might look like. :wink:

One theory has the suns at 29.4 million under the luxury tax threshold, IF the salary cap is reduced to around 100 million, And the luxury tax line is around 119.6 million, And with max contracts being scaled at 25 million/30 million/ 35 million.
Also a theoretical cap reduction of around 8 million or so??

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Using rough estimates off of a $100 Million salary cap, I would project the following with current draft order before free agent signings:

$100 Million
$121.2 Luxury Tax
$127.2 Tax Apron
$8.4 Million Non-Tax MLE

Atlanta - $34.4 Million in Cap Space
Boston - $20.9 Million above Luxury Tax
Brooklyn - $22.6 Million above Luxury Tax
Charlotte - $13.6 Million in Cap Space
Chicago - $10.3 Million below Luxury Tax
Cleveland - $3.8 Million below Luxury Tax
Dallas - $11.8 Million below Luxury Tax
Denver - $16.8 Million below Luxury Tax
Detroit - $21.1 Million in Cap Space
Golden State - $33.5 Million above Luxury Tax
Houston - $10 Million above Luxury Tax
Indiana - $4.2 Million above Luxury Tax
L.A. Clippers - $5.3 Million below Luxury Tax
L.A. Lakers - $27.8 Million below Luxury Tax
Memphis - $8.8 Million below Luxury Tax
Miami - $12.5 Million in Cap Space
Milwaukee - $10 Million above Luxury Tax
Minnesota - $14.9 Million below Luxury Tax
New Orleans - $32.9 Million below Luxury Tax
New York - $30.6 Million in Cap Space
Oklahoma City - $15.2 Million below Luxury Tax
Orlando - $4.1 Million above Luxury Tax
Philadelphia - $27.4 Million above Luxury Tax
Phoenix- $29.4 million below the luxury tax.
Portland - $6.2 Million below Luxury Tax
Sacramento - $17.3 Million below Luxury Tax
San Antonio - $1.4 Million above Luxury Tax
Toronto - $31.2 Million below Luxury Tax
Utah - $2.4 Million below Luxury Tax
Washington - $14.2 Million below Luxury Tax


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I read each home game generates around $2 Million and fans being at games contribute 40% of that. I read there is 259 suspended regular season games and there was 82 playoff games played last season.

Am I doing this math correctly?

Current NBA Salary Cap Projection (pre-Coronavirus): $115 Million

Let's say the NBA freezes the regular season and just jumps right to an NBA playoffs without fans.

That's $2 Million multiplied by 259 regular season games not played equaling $518 Million.
There would be 82 playoff games played using last year's numbers, but without fans so 40% of $2 Million multiplied by 82 equals $65.6 Million.

Total lost revenue from my figures would then be $583.6 Million multiplied by 44.74% is $261.1 Million divided by 30 teams is $ 8.7 million in lost cap space

115 minus 8.7 gets us to basically a $106 Million salary cap in that case.

Using $106 Million (divided by 44.74%) gets us to around $237 Million (multiplied by 53.51%) gets us to a $126.8 Million luxury tax.

Is it reasonable to use these estimates in the frozen season, jumping to a playoffs without fans scenario?


I wonder, IF these figures end up being correct, How will this affect our free agency options??? :wink:
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Post#1840 » by Slim Charless » Sun May 10, 2020 11:45 pm

Fo-Real wrote:Kelly Oubre seems to be hot on the minds of people posting on the trade boards. I think people are realizing how good he was this year, seemed a breakout year for him. Would like to find a way to keep him.


....or we sell high on him. Don't get me wrong I like the attitude he brings and we keep getting rid of Booker's friends can't be helping his love for us but this about winning and Oubre is easily our best trade chip. But like I said earlier we only pull the trigger if we get a good deal Detroit, NYK, ORL and CHI all seem like good options w/ pieces we can use.

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