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Post#1081 » by Psubs » Sun May 10, 2020 4:06 pm

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2890595-2020-nba-mock-draft-1st-round-predictions-for-anthony-edwards-top-prospects

Pretty much #23-27 take all of the players I like. :(

Nico Manion going #29 is more where I value him than in the lottery.

They have us with the pick of the litter in terms of bigs; Jalen Smith, Isaiah Stewart, Carey, Oturu or Nnaji.

Unless an OG level player drops, I think it's a BPA of whichever big the Raptors like the most.

If they drafted any one of them, I would be cool with it as I trust the front office's scouting ability.

Note: Also still available Reed and Tillman!
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Post#1082 » by pigspigs76 » Sun May 10, 2020 6:20 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:
Indeed wrote:Dosunmu is interesting, I'm not sure what to think of Scrubb and Kofi Cockburn (pronounced Co-burn lol) is a big athletic C, could be interesting as an Undrafted guy i guess.



Cockburn's free throw stroke is smooth with a feathery touch, his 67.7 ft% should be going up lots. he only played pickup basketball before the age of 16 in jamacia and was presumably developing many solo skills that might have otherwise been overlooked in a defined role on a team given his body.

https://www.slamonline.com/the-magazine/kofi-cockburn/


Scrubb oozes skill but is a massive question mark obviously... he obviously needs a change of scenery and I think following in TD3's footsteps would be his best case scenario.


Dosunmu is a natural fit for this team and its needs, he seems to thrive when the stakes are higher
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Post#1083 » by Mark_83 » Sun May 10, 2020 7:44 pm

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nba/2020/05/06/2020-nba-draft-big-board-top-80-rankings

Based on SI's big board I would go:

28. Tillman
Reed
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58. Diakite
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Post#1084 » by Psubs » Sun May 10, 2020 7:48 pm

pigspigs76 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
Indeed wrote:Dosunmu is interesting, I'm not sure what to think of Scrubb and Kofi Cockburn (pronounced Co-burn lol) is a big athletic C, could be interesting as an Undrafted guy i guess.



Cockburn's free throw stroke is smooth with a feathery touch, his 67.7 ft% should be going up lots. he only played pickup basketball before the age of 16 in jamacia and was presumably developing many solo skills that might have otherwise been overlooked in a defined role on a team given his body.

https://www.slamonline.com/the-magazine/kofi-cockburn/


Scrubb oozes skill but is a massive question mark obviously... he obviously needs a change of scenery and I think following in TD3's footsteps would be his best case scenario.


Dosunmu is a natural fit for this team and its needs, he seems to thrive when the stakes are higher


Whoa Cockburn is 7 ft 290! :o

Would rather take him at #58 than Azubuike at #28. Azubuike has played 4 years and hasn't shot over 45% from the FT line in any of them. Cockburn would be a project but might be Eddy Curry 2.0.
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Post#1085 » by Indeed » Sun May 10, 2020 9:41 pm

Psubs wrote:
pigspigs76 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:



Cockburn's free throw stroke is smooth with a feathery touch, his 67.7 ft% should be going up lots. he only played pickup basketball before the age of 16 in jamacia and was presumably developing many solo skills that might have otherwise been overlooked in a defined role on a team given his body.

https://www.slamonline.com/the-magazine/kofi-cockburn/


Scrubb oozes skill but is a massive question mark obviously... he obviously needs a change of scenery and I think following in TD3's footsteps would be his best case scenario.


Dosunmu is a natural fit for this team and its needs, he seems to thrive when the stakes are higher


Whoa Cockburn is 7 ft 290! :o

Would rather take him at #58 than Azubuike at #28. Azubuike has played 4 years and hasn't shot over 45% from the FT line in any of them. Cockburn would be a project but might be Eddy Curry 2.0.


Naw, Cockburn is currently mainly being a lob target. Azubuike has a much better footwork and timing on things, where he probably puts 3 years of effort to refine his offensive skills. Cockburn seems he can only go left on postup, and maybe need to polish much more his offensive game.

From basic stats they maybe similar, but from their role, it seems to be different. Will also need to understand their competition better to see their gap, but I think Azubuike is much more ready being 3 years older as an early second round pick.
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Post#1086 » by pigspigs76 » Sun May 10, 2020 9:57 pm

Indeed wrote:[quote="Psubs"
Naw, Cockburn is currently mainly being a lob target...Cockburn seems he can only go left on postup, and maybe need to polish much more his offensive game.

Will also need to understand their competition better to see their gap.


fair points, lob target indeed ... might be one of the Raptors best rim running option on fast breaks lol

could be like Pascal in growth potential given the similarities in their basketball experiences.

obviously competition is a concern, in part i believe that's why hes leaving after 1 year .. i also believe he wants an expanded role to include jumpers and 3s and is a better fit in the nba learning directly from vets



"He's very strong on the inside," Michigan coach Juwan Howard said. Very physical guy and one of the best offensive rebounders in NCAA basketball."
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Post#1087 » by Kevin Willis » Sun May 10, 2020 9:57 pm

Psubs wrote:
pigspigs76 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:



Cockburn's free throw stroke is smooth with a feathery touch, his 67.7 ft% should be going up lots. he only played pickup basketball before the age of 16 in jamacia and was presumably developing many solo skills that might have otherwise been overlooked in a defined role on a team given his body.

https://www.slamonline.com/the-magazine/kofi-cockburn/


Scrubb oozes skill but is a massive question mark obviously... he obviously needs a change of scenery and I think following in TD3's footsteps would be his best case scenario.


Dosunmu is a natural fit for this team and its needs, he seems to thrive when the stakes are higher


Whoa Cockburn is 7 ft 290! :o

Would rather take him at #58 than Azubuike at #28. Azubuike has played 4 years and hasn't shot over 45% from the FT line in any of them. Cockburn would be a project but might be Eddy Curry 2.0.


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Post#1088 » by Psubs » Sun May 10, 2020 11:43 pm

pigspigs76 wrote:
Indeed wrote:[quote="Psubs"
Naw, Cockburn is currently mainly being a lob target...Cockburn seems he can only go left on postup, and maybe need to polish much more his offensive game.

Will also need to understand their competition better to see their gap.


fair points, lob target indeed ... might be one of the Raptors best rim running option on fast breaks lol

could be like Pascal in growth potential given the similarities in their basketball experiences.

obviously competition is a concern, in part i believe that's why hes leaving after 1 year .. i also believe he wants an expanded role to include jumpers and 3s and is a better fit in the nba learning directly from vets



"He's very strong on the inside," Michigan coach Juwan Howard said. Very physical guy and one of the best offensive rebounders in NCAA basketball."


Agreed. 2-3 years in the G-League running our plays. :D

Heck, isn't Deandre Jordan just a lob target. At least Cockburn can shoot FT's. His FT shooting form is great. He might be able to get to 80%. A lob target that can hit FT's at 80% is a good weapon!
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Post#1091 » by BoyzNTheHood » Mon May 11, 2020 1:56 am

Indeed wrote:
Psubs wrote:
pigspigs76 wrote:

Cockburn's free throw stroke is smooth with a feathery touch, his 67.7 ft% should be going up lots. he only played pickup basketball before the age of 16 in jamacia and was presumably developing many solo skills that might have otherwise been overlooked in a defined role on a team given his body.

https://www.slamonline.com/the-magazine/kofi-cockburn/


Scrubb oozes skill but is a massive question mark obviously... he obviously needs a change of scenery and I think following in TD3's footsteps would be his best case scenario.


Dosunmu is a natural fit for this team and its needs, he seems to thrive when the stakes are higher


Whoa Cockburn is 7 ft 290! :o

Would rather take him at #58 than Azubuike at #28. Azubuike has played 4 years and hasn't shot over 45% from the FT line in any of them. Cockburn would be a project but might be Eddy Curry 2.0.


Naw, Cockburn is currently mainly being a lob target. Azubuike has a much better footwork and timing on things, where he probably puts 3 years of effort to refine his offensive skills. Cockburn seems he can only go left on postup, and maybe need to polish much more his offensive game.

From basic stats they maybe similar, but from their role, it seems to be different. Will also need to understand their competition better to see their gap, but I think Azubuike is much more ready being 3 years older as an early second round pick.


A quick Google search told me that Cockburn is older even though he's a freshman and Azubuike is a senior. Azubuike was born on September 17, 1999 and Cockburn was born on September 1, 1999. There is no comparison here, Azubuike would be the obvious choice. He also doesn't shrink against good competition. For someone who's supposed to be a lob threat Cockburn sure does have bad shooting games against ranked opponents, while Azubuike usually raises his level of play.
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Post#1092 » by Psubs » Mon May 11, 2020 2:25 am

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Indeed wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Whoa Cockburn is 7 ft 290! :o

Would rather take him at #58 than Azubuike at #28. Azubuike has played 4 years and hasn't shot over 45% from the FT line in any of them. Cockburn would be a project but might be Eddy Curry 2.0.


Naw, Cockburn is currently mainly being a lob target. Azubuike has a much better footwork and timing on things, where he probably puts 3 years of effort to refine his offensive skills. Cockburn seems he can only go left on postup, and maybe need to polish much more his offensive game.

From basic stats they maybe similar, but from their role, it seems to be different. Will also need to understand their competition better to see their gap, but I think Azubuike is much more ready being 3 years older as an early second round pick.


A quick Google search told me that Cockburn is older even though he's a freshman and Azubuike is a senior. Azubuike was born on September 17, 1999 and Cockburn was born on September 1, 1999. There is no comparison here, Azubuike would be the obvious choice. He also doesn't shrink against good competition. For someone who's supposed to be a lob threat Cockburn sure does have bad shooting games against ranked opponents, while Azubuike usually raises his level of play.


Azubuike is a low ceiling option for late 1st to mid 2nd round. Cockburn is raw but seems to have tools to be able to develop into a more useful player in 3 years or so. Also Cockburn is an option for late 2nd to undrafted invite since he's so raw.
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Post#1093 » by super_balls » Mon May 11, 2020 2:46 am

Barring any trades, I think this is a perfect draft to find talent to develop and add to our “next wave”.

1st talent wave: Lowry, DeMar, Ibaka, JV, Ross

2nd talent wave: Siakam, Fred, Norm, Delon, Yak

3rd talents (next) wave: Davis, OG (younger than the guys above but could be considered to be added to above), Boucher, Thomas maybe?

Of the newest wave, I think Davis and OG are real. Now, in this draft I think we need to find talent and specifically, a big.

I think the best talent we could add are any two combination of Grant Riller, Reggie Perry, Xavier Tillman, or Precious Achiuwa. I think for me personally, Perry and Riller are my targets.

A future wave of Riller, Davis, OG and Perry would be super fun if they develop the same way the previous wave did.
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Post#1094 » by LoveMyRaps » Mon May 11, 2020 3:05 am

What's the obssession with Grant Riller on this thread? I hope we stay as far away as possible from him. All because he has near identical stats in college as James Harden doesn't mean he'll be any good in the NBA.
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Post#1095 » by HeadtopChunes » Mon May 11, 2020 4:46 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:What's the obssession with Grant Riller on this thread? I hope we stay as far away as possible from him. All because he has near identical stats in college as James Harden doesn't mean he'll be any good in the NBA.


What don't you look about Riller? He looks good to me, has decent size, one of the quickest first steps in the draft, really skilled offensively. Could be a Dinwiddie-esque bench engine
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Post#1096 » by Psubs » Mon May 11, 2020 5:29 am

HeadtopChunes wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:What's the obssession with Grant Riller on this thread? I hope we stay as far away as possible from him. All because he has near identical stats in college as James Harden doesn't mean he'll be any good in the NBA.


What don't you look about Riller? He looks good to me, has decent size, one of the quickest first steps in the draft, really skilled offensively. Could be a Dinwiddie-esque bench engine


Hmmmm, I was checking out the better teams in that weak conference.

I found another VanVliet! :D Maybe camp invite? :o

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/andy-vanvliet-1.html



Or Nathan Knight.



What about Buie or Pemberton from #1 Hofstra camp invite?
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Post#1097 » by super_balls » Mon May 11, 2020 5:39 am

HeadtopChunes wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:What's the obssession with Grant Riller on this thread? I hope we stay as far away as possible from him. All because he has near identical stats in college as James Harden doesn't mean he'll be any good in the NBA.


What don't you look about Riller? He looks good to me, has decent size, one of the quickest first steps in the draft, really skilled offensively. Could be a Dinwiddie-esque bench engine


3 level scoring guard, that is quick/athletic and puts pressure on the D in transition and PnR. He got better passing this past year. What I like is that he can operate well in PnR, and he’s a ultra hard worker (gym rat), so I can see him getting along well with the team.

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Post#1098 » by Dalek » Mon May 11, 2020 5:47 am

super_balls wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:What's the obssession with Grant Riller on this thread? I hope we stay as far away as possible from him. All because he has near identical stats in college as James Harden doesn't mean he'll be any good in the NBA.


What don't you look about Riller? He looks good to me, has decent size, one of the quickest first steps in the draft, really skilled offensively. Could be a Dinwiddie-esque bench engine


3 level scoring guard, that is quick/athletic and puts pressure on the D in transition and PnR. He got better passing this past year. What I like is that he can operate well in PnR, and he’s a ultra hard worker (gym rat), so I can see him getting along well with the team.



If this guy was not 23 he would be a lottery pick. I am currently settled on Riller as well. Some say Dinwiddie but I see some Brogdon in his game.
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Post#1099 » by HeadtopChunes » Mon May 11, 2020 7:59 am

Speaking of Riller this channel is cool



Great interview and the channel also has other guys we have already discussed such as Tillman, Bane, Reed and Fitts

The host is a little awkward but its nice to see the players explain their games
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